The Fallen Angels - Pre-Pokebank OU

Ok, since my first thread was a bust, since almost no one posted to give me any advice, I'm gonna put that team aside for now, and try my luck with another team. This is a balanced team, with three sweepers (1 Physical, 1 Special, and 1 mixed) and three defensive/support Pokemon. This is only my second team idea, so I REALLY need some help. Thanks in advance!

The Sweepers:

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Lucifer:
Absol
Absolite
Justified --> Magic Bounce

252 ATK/252 SPE/4 SPA
Naive Nature

Protect
Sucker Punch
Fire Blast
Play Rough

The most beautiful of all Arceus' creations, Lucifer was proud and vain. He wished to be the only one Arceus loved, the only one his creator would love. But then Arceus created other Pokemon, and Lucifer became jealous. So jealous in fact that he lead a rebellion against the creator Pokemon. However, victory was not to be Lucifer's, and the beautiful angel fell, losing not only much of his original power, but his wings as well. For years, Lucifer wandered the different regions of the world Arceus has created, until one day, he found the means to his return: The powerful Mega Stones, capable of returning Lucifer to his former glory once more, if only for a short amount of time. Now, with Mega Stone in paw, Lucifer builds a new army for himself, and plans to take Kalos, and then world, for himself.

Mega Absol acts as my mixed sweeper. With access to Magic Bounce, M-Absol stops so many dangerous Entry hazards and status conditions with ease. And a well timed switch-in, combined with a Spin-Blocker like Trevanant, can spell doom for my opponent (But we'll get to that later). M-Absol is a great mixed sweeper due to the fact that, with his amazing speed and high attack and special attack, most threats will not stand in its way. Ferrothorn, Skarmory, and Forretress giving you trouble? No worries, a single Fire Blast from M-Absol, and they are going down faster than you can say "That's a spicy Pokepuff!"

Now, Sucker Punch is the obvious needed STAB move, and with Magic Bounce, unless you are facing off a Defensive Pokemon, or a Pokemon that is obviously going to be setting up, it's gonna be pretty easy to predict what the opponent is going to do, and STAB Sucker Punch off this guy is gonna hurt. Real badly. Play Rough is to take down other Dark Types, Dragons such as Garchomp and Salamance, and of course, M-Absol's biggest threat, Fightning types. Now, you may be questioning, if Absol is a sweeper, why run Protect over Swords Dance? Very good question! The answer to that, comes in two parts:

Upon Mega Evolving, Absol keeps the horrible speed of its base form. Sure, Sucker Punch as priority, but upon Mega Evolving, setting up a Swords Dance is VERY risky. Protect keeps M-Absol in the game long enough for its new speed to kick in. Second of all, Protect allows M-Absol to also act as a scout, taking a sneak peek at what moves my opponent's mon has, all the while keeping my Bouncer Safe. M-Absol's Attack is high enough to be able to hit hard without Swords Dance, so I think Protect is the better option I find for this set.


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Abbaddon
Tyrantrum
Life Orb
Strong Jaw

252 ATK/262 SPE/4 HP
Jolly/Adamant

Thunder Fang
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Stone Edge

During the uprising, Abbaddon was one of Lucifer's Generals, a powerful being who's destructive power was like a force of nature. When he fell alongside Lucifer, he became a feral beast, destroying anything that moved, anything that dared get in his way. When Lucifer found him again, he was returned to his senses, and joined Lucifer's army once more, as his right hand, and his main destructive weapon.

Tyrantrum has the unique typing of Rock/Dragon, a pretty good typing if you ask me. A physical sweeper, Tyrantrum has access to Dragon Dance, giving it a great boost to its attacks and speed, and with moves like Stone Edge, Dragon Claw, and a Strong Jaw boosted Thunder Fang, (For pesky Water and Flying Types) Tyrantrum has a lot of coverage. Max ATK EVs is a given, considering it is a physical sweeper, and the speed EVs are to give it an extra boost, allowing this Tyrant to kill swiftly.

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Lilith
Gengar
Choice Scarf
Levitate

252 SPA/252 SPE/4 HP
Timid

Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Sludge Bomb (To be replaced by Sludge Wave post Poke-bank)
Thunderbolt

Lilith was Lucifer's Second General, and loved nothing more than to wreak havoc across the battle field. She tortured and maimed those in her way, taking out enemies slowly and painfully, her magical powers unrivaled. When she fell with Lucifer, she hid herself away, becoming a shadow of Fear and Mischief, but when he rose again, She rose as well, taking her place at his side once again, as his General.

Gengar is my Special Sweeper as well as my Fairy Killer. This role is VITAL as both Tyrantrum and M-Absol have a weakness to Fairies, and Gengar fills this great. Amazing Speed when combined with Choice Scarf, a powerful STAB Sludge Bomb will usually be enough to fell any Fairy that dares show its face to me. The rest of the moves are for basic coverage, Focus Blast for Ground threats, T-Bolt for Water threats, and Shadow Ball for pretty much everything else. Speed is really important for this build, since Gengar is kind of frail, and its role as a Fairy Killer is so important, which is why Max speed EVs have been invested.

The Support:

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Azza
Ferrothorn
Rocky Helmet
Iron Barbs

252 HP/48 DEF/208 SPD
Relaxed

Stealth Rocks
Leech Seed
Thunder Wave
Power Whip

Azza was a guard in Lucifer's army, providing much needed defense and support in his Master's conquest. With strong defenses, Azza would set up traps for the enemy army, giving Lucifer's an edge in battle. He would watch with glee as his enemies sprang his traps and were quickly dealt with with the offensive monsters. When he fell, he went into a deep slumber, awoken many years later by his former Master. Wanting to please Lucifer again, he joined the Absol's new army, ready to cause havoc once again.

Ferrothorn is one of the best defensive Pokemon out there. I chose to run Stealth Rocks over Spikes simply because Flying types like Talonflame and Charizard are becoming more and more apparent, and both of them are terrified of Rocks. Leech Seed is to keep Thorn happy and healthy as he sets up, and T-wave is to troll my opponent, and give me an even bigger speed boost. Power Whip is there for two reasons: So I'm not completely shut down by taunt, and so that Thorn can hold his own against any popular Water types (*CoughAzumarillCough*). The Rocky Helmet/Iron Barbs combo is great to troll anyone who physically attack it, and the EVs are pretty basic for keeping Ferrothron alive.


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Beleth
Trevenant
Sitrus Berry
Harvest

120 DEF/252 HP/132 SPE
Impish

Leech Seed
Will-O-Wisp
Substitute
Shadow Claw

Beleth was known as the immortal angel during the uprising, his use of trickery and healing powers making him seem as if he were unstoppable. When he fell alongside Lucifer, he hid himself deep within a haunted forest, devouring lost children and Pokemon. When Lucifer returned to power, he eagerly joined back with his former Master, ready to show the world his true and terrible powers.

Trevenant is a great Spinblocker because of the sheet longevity it can get with Harvest and Sitrust Berry. This is great for protecting not only my own hazards, but any hazards M-Absol may have bounced back to my opponent's field. Combined with Substitute, Trevenant gains even greater longevity, and with a constant supply of HP coming in through Leech Seed, Trevenant can pretty much run wild and Burn my opponent's Pokemon, all the while knocking them down bit by bit with Shadow Claw. The EV Spread may seem weird, but Trevenant wants to be fast while still being defensive, so it can get it Sub up and prepare a Leech Seed. Trevenant. A great Spin Blocker, and a dangerous staller, all rolled into one creepy tree. Gotta love it.


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Bune
Goodra
Assault Vest
Gooey

252 HP/252 SPA/4 SDEF
Calm

Draco Meteor
Sludge Wave
Dragon Tail
Fire Blast

Bune was a tank in Lucifer's army, capable of taking numerous hits, while hitting back just has hard with his sheer amount of power. The stickiness of his body slowed down anyone and caught them in his trap as he watched in glee. When Lucifer fell, he hid himself deep within the bogs of Kalos, only rising again for the call of his Master.

Despite my original hate on Goodra for being Mono Dragon, this seems to have actually been a blessing for Goodra, since it only has three weaknesses (Ice, Dragon, and Fairy). This Goodra here acts as a special wall, with Assault Vest, able to take most Special hits and hitting back hard. Sludge Wave helps counter Fairies, Dragon Tail helps with Stealth Rock Shenanigans, Draco Meteor is for massive STAB, and Fire Blast is for coverage. Gooey is to help slow down anyone who is foolish enough to hit my physically. All in all...I think Goodra is starting to grow on me.

So, there it is. As I said, please let me know what you think, and what could be changed/improved.
 
Hello.

Pretty interesting you have here,I like the use of Mega Absol so props to you on that.So first thing I see is that I think Tyrantrum is outclassed by Dragonite completely as a Dragon Dance so I think you should try out Weakness Policy Dragonite over Tyrantrum since Dragonite has better type,synergy and Multiscale which means it will get to abuse the Weakness Policy which means if they use a SE move on Dragonite the weakness Policy will kick in and double both of your Attack stats and then you can proceed to sweep entire teams unprepared for it.

I don't like changing more than one pokemon in a team but I feel it's necessary:Your team needs a reliable check to Talonflame so I think Rotom-Wash over Trevenant seems like a good choice so you can wall both of Talonflame's STAB becuase basically if your Tyrantrum was down Talonflame could just sweep your entire team at +2.

Protect is completely unnecessary on Mega-Absol as you normally use it to switch into Smeargle and Forretress so try out Swords Dance over Protect because you can easily set up on a Smeargle not fearing anything of it.

I also think you should try out Thundebolt over Dragon Tail as it provides reallly good coverage against Talonflame which can help you out big time.

Sets:
Dragonite @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Multiscale
EV's: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Punch
-Earthquake

(Change either of the two last moves for E-Speed pst-Pokebank.)

Rotom-Wash @ Chesto Berry/Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 240 HP / 196 Def / 72 Spd
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Will-O-Wisp
- Volt Switch
- Rest
- Hydro Pump

Hope my suggestions were helpful or at least thought-provoking.

Good luck and have fun! :>
 
Hello.

Pretty interesting you have here,I like the use of Mega Absol so props to you on that.So first thing I see is that I think Tyrantrum is outclassed by Dragonite completely as a Dragon Dance so I think you should try out Weakness Policy Dragonite over Tyrantrum since Dragonite has better type,synergy and Multiscale which means it will get to abuse the Weakness Policy which means if they use a SE move on Dragonite the weakness Policy will kick in and double both of your Attack stats and then you can proceed to sweep entire teams unprepared for it.

I don't like changing more than one pokemon in a team but I feel it's necessary:Your team needs a reliable check to Talonflame so I think Rotom-Wash over Trevenant seems like a good choice so you can wall both of Talonflame's STAB becuase basically if your Tyrantrum was down Talonflame could just sweep your entire team at +2.

Protect is completely unnecessary on Mega-Absol as you normally use it to switch into Smeargle and Forretress so try out Swords Dance over Protect because you can easily set up on a Smeargle not fearing anything of it.

I also think you should try out Thundebolt over Dragon Tail as it provides reallly good coverage against Talonflame which can help you out big time.

Sets:
Dragonite @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Multiscale
EV's: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Punch
-Earthquake

(Change either of the two last moves for E-Speed pst-Pokebank.)

Rotom-Wash @ Chesto Berry/Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 240 HP / 196 Def / 72 Spd
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Will-O-Wisp
- Volt Switch
- Rest
- Hydro Pump

Hope my suggestions were helpful or at least thought-provoking.

Good luck and have fun! :>

Thank you for those suggestions! I think I will take your advice on Rotom and Dragonite, as Tyrantrum was originally intended to Head Smash sweep (Until I realized that Rock Head was unreleased). Again, thanks for the suggestions!
 
So I really liked the idea of this team so I have been trying it out for a while but I only barely managed to crack 1800 on PS and then I got stopped by players that knew what they were doing.

The problem with mega absol is that he is verrrry frail and if they predict absol to come in to magic bounce he is dead every time and now you are out a sweeper and they are free to get hazards up because there is no defog or RS on this team. I know you dont want to get rid of mega absol but if you want to get high up on the ladder you are going to have to use him as a purely frail attacker, that means mega evolve as soon as you safely can and only switch in when it is 100% safe. Use magic bounce as a secondary goal because you can not always rely on people to hazard.

With that in mind I noticed mega absol dying alot because he has less than stellar coverage and cant really hit many physical walls, and with the only other physical attacker being dragonite(post suggestion from Xeno) I noticed a severe lack of physical presence. Because dragonite only wants to come in when he can eat up a super effective move after a dd and sweep but if his multiscale is broken he has no form of recovery and is basically deadweight. Dont get me wrong dragonite has swept whole teams and is fanastic but I think you need a really bulky physical attacker that doesnt mind taking a few hits. I think this team needs aegislash I think this set would do a good job as long as you play smart with it.

Aegislash @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Shadow Ball/Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head
- Sacred Sword

I am suggesting this one because it goes well with your theme I think and two, If you want a pure physical one put the SpA into HP, I think it should just be a physical set because I think it would ceomplment my next suggestion well. Also because it can effectively replace gengar and dragonite leaving you another spot to put a nice bulky offensive poke. I think Volcarona would be a good fit just use the standard quiver dance/BB/Fiery Dance/HP rock set.

With these changes you should be able to get some more momentum going in your favor instead of just switching in and hoping you kill something before dying.

I havent experimented with these suggestions yet but the only threat that it kind of invites is mold breaker excadrill but I think ferro should be able to handle that and so could a healthy volcarona.

I hope these help if I made a mistake above or just wasnt clear just let me know and I will try and help fix it. It was fun testing this team cheers!
 
So I really liked the idea of this team so I have been trying it out for a while but I only barely managed to crack 1800 on PS and then I got stopped by players that knew what they were doing.

The problem with mega absol is that he is verrrry frail and if they predict absol to come in to magic bounce he is dead every time and now you are out a sweeper and they are free to get hazards up because there is no defog or RS on this team. I know you dont want to get rid of mega absol but if you want to get high up on the ladder you are going to have to use him as a purely frail attacker, that means mega evolve as soon as you safely can and only switch in when it is 100% safe. Use magic bounce as a secondary goal because you can not always rely on people to hazard.

With that in mind I noticed mega absol dying alot because he has less than stellar coverage and cant really hit many physical walls, and with the only other physical attacker being dragonite(post suggestion from Xeno) I noticed a severe lack of physical presence. Because dragonite only wants to come in when he can eat up a super effective move after a dd and sweep but if his multiscale is broken he has no form of recovery and is basically deadweight. Dont get me wrong dragonite has swept whole teams and is fanastic but I think you need a really bulky physical attacker that doesnt mind taking a few hits. I think this team needs aegislash I think this set would do a good job as long as you play smart with it.

Aegislash @ Spooky Plate
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Shadow Ball/Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head
- Sacred Sword

I am suggesting this one because it goes well with your theme I think and two, If you want a pure physical one put the SpA into HP, I think it should just be a physical set because I think it would ceomplment my next suggestion well. Also because it can effectively replace gengar and dragonite leaving you another spot to put a nice bulky offensive poke. I think Volcarona would be a good fit just use the standard quiver dance/BB/Fiery Dance/HP rock set.

With these changes you should be able to get some more momentum going in your favor instead of just switching in and hoping you kill something before dying.

I havent experimented with these suggestions yet but the only threat that it kind of invites is mold breaker excadrill but I think ferro should be able to handle that and so could a healthy volcarona.

I hope these help if I made a mistake above or just wasnt clear just let me know and I will try and help fix it. It was fun testing this team cheers!

Honestly, I love these suggestions. I love aegislash and Volcarona, so I have no problem replacing dragonite and gengar with them. Thank you for the suggestions, I will be sure to test them out.
 
So your team is going to be:

M-Absol
Aegislash
Volcarona
Ferrothorn
Rotom-Wash
Goodra

I'm not saying that's a bad team, fact is, it's a great team. However, I feel like the whole of your team's soul has been taken out behind the shed and shot. You had some interesting and fun ideas before, but now all you have is Absol in front of 5 of the most OU of this gen. Your team got watered down by "What works" vs. trying to experiment and evolve new things in the meta, meaning winning is more important that having fun. I can't tell you how many times I've actually battled this team, but with mega Aerodacyl, mega Lucario, or any other mega for that matter, standing up front.

However, since this is the case. I think you should drop M-Absol for M-Aerodactyl. Aero has better coverage as a sweeper, better damage w/ his ability, and with his big leathery wings, pointy tail, and evil looking goate, looks like more of the traditional Devil figure (Keeping in style with your theme). The trade off would be that he isn't immune to some status moves that people like to throw around on occasion, but that's a small price to pay for more power.

I wouldn't mind seeing an updated first post w/ changed mons, complete w/ new nicknames/backstories. That'd be fun.
 
So your team is going to be:

M-Absol
Aegislash
Volcarona
Ferrothorn
Rotom-Wash
Goodra

I'm not saying that's a bad team, fact is, it's a great team. However, I feel like the whole of your team's soul has been taken out behind the shed and shot. You had some interesting and fun ideas before, but now all you have is Absol in front of 5 of the most OU of this gen. Your team got watered down by "What works" vs. trying to experiment and evolve new things in the meta, meaning winning is more important that having fun. I can't tell you how many times I've actually battled this team, but with mega Aerodacyl, mega Lucario, or any other mega for that matter, standing up front.

However, since this is the case. I think you should drop M-Absol for M-Aerodactyl. Aero has better coverage as a sweeper, better damage w/ his ability, and with his big leathery wings, pointy tail, and evil looking goate, looks like more of the traditional Devil figure (Keeping in style with your theme). The trade off would be that he isn't immune to some status moves that people like to throw around on occasion, but that's a small price to pay for more power.

I wouldn't mind seeing an updated first post w/ changed mons, complete w/ new nicknames/backstories. That'd be fun.

While the original idea I had has been changed, the point was to be a creative team while still being able to be competitive. While the current line-up is the case, I plan to test it out myself and see how it works. Volcarona and Aegislash are two of my favorite Pokemon anyway. And while I will take the M-Aerodactyl suggestion into mind, M-Absol just seems to fit the whole "Lucifer" Theme far better. Also, I will be sure to update the OP with new pics and back-stories ;)
 
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