The Forgotten Generation Metagame: #152-248

Deck Knight

Deck Knight

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You might be skeptical of a gameplay where only 98 pokemon are allowed. You might find it odd to consider, especially since GSC itself was a sort of hodge-podge extension of RBY in many ways.

However, I think playing a pure GSC game would be interesting. GSC has some of the best hitters and walls in the game. GSC invented the "OMGSKARMBLISS" n00b type. Steelix, Forretress, and Umbreon all hold a place in GSC's defensive ranks. Suicune, Raikou, Heracross, and Tyranitar all have a home in GSC.

With only one ghost, Misdreavus, GSC isn't that beholden to Spikers [although there are many]. The only Dragon is Kingdra.

How viable do you think a GSC Gen metagame would be? While the number of pokemon available is relatively few, there are many viable options.

Pokemon listing:

Typhlosion
Feraligatr
Furret
Noctowl
Ledian
Ariados
Crobat
Lanturn
Togetic
Xatu
Ampharos
Bellossom
Azumarill
Sudowoodo
Politoed
Jumpluff
Aipom
Sunflora
Yanma
Quagsire
Espeon
Umbreon
Murkrow
Slowking
Misdreavus
Unown
Wobbuffet
Girafarig
Forretress
Dunsparce
Gligar
Steelix
Granbull
Qwilfish
Scizor
Shuckle
Heracross
Sneasel
Ursaring
Magcargo
Piloswine
Corsola
Octillery
Delibird
Mantine
Skarmory
Houndoom
Kingdra
Donphan
Porygon2
Stantler
Smeargle
Hitmontop
Miltank
Blissey
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Tyranitar
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi
 
Well, the Skarmbliss will probably be seen on every single team so battling may eventually get old.

In order to counter blissey, most teams will bring heracross. Again, it will be old; however, with the elimination of magneton, skarmory may run free and possibly counter heracross.

With the new berry (that reduces super-effective Dragon by 50%), Kingdra will run wild, with no weakness. The only STAB Dragon Move to take him down will have to come from another Kingdra.

Expect to see Fortress explode on some Blisseys.

Misdreavus honestly doesn't have great stats, and may only be used for her three immunities. (by the way 50% male ratio, with a huge pearl neckless....manly.)

also, I'm assuming Lugia and Ho-oh are gone, which eliminates a couple more options.

Finally, Tyranitar may be gay as ever.

My honest opinion. I don't see why not. The pros of this metagame is that forgotten pokemon, such as Umbreon, get another chance. The cons, you may play 100 matches and only see 20 different opposing pokes.
 
There should be more of a 1-248 gen game =D

Well anyways, I'd love to see people use Espy/Umby more often. Gligar may be used more often as the premier Heracross counter (Though it'll take a lot more damage from Stone Edge)
 
Generally this would be bad since it would be a metagame dominated by teams of SkarmBliss, Heracross, Raikou, and Suicune / Tyranitar / Smeargle / Forretress / Steelix / Umbreon. Yeah, I'd say that's basically what every team would be. ;_;
 
Meganium
Typhlosion
Feraligatr
Furret
Noctowl
Ledian
Ariados
Crobat
Lanturn
Togetic
Xatu
Ampharos
Bellossom
Azumarill
Sudowoodo
Politoed
Jumpluff
Aipom
Sunflora
Yanma
Quagsire
Espeon
Umbreon
Murkrow
Slowking
Misdreavus
Unown
Wobbuffet
Girafarig
Forretress
Dunsparce
Gligar
Steelix
Granbull
Qwilfish
Scizor
Shuckle
Heracross
Sneasel
Ursaring
Magcargo
Piloswine
Corsola
Octillery
Delibird
Mantine
Skarmory
Houndoom
Kingdra
Donphan
Porygon2
Stantler
Smeargle
Hitmontop
Miltank
Blissey
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Tyranitar
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi
 
This isn't really a DP discussion. I think that other than Skarmory and Blissey the second generation didn't make many improvements (in terms of new pokemon) to the first. I remember every team I came accross back then had at least 3 pokémon from the original games. Jolteon and Marowak were everywhere as was Curse Snorlax. I personally didn't have the patience for Heracross or Tyranitar, I thought they were pointless when the opponent would just switch in a wall to block attacks and status afflict whereas Joltwak was more or less a guarenteed 6-0 if set up.
 
Tyranitar will be on nearly every team, and the ones it isn't on are going to be based on Raikou, Heracross, or Suicune. People will use Hitmontop to counter Tyranitar. Umbreon will be abused at first, but drop out of favor when people realize that Raikou, Suicune, Heracross, and Tyranitar switch in on it ad nauseam. Seriously, there's NO good Pokemon in Obi's numerically ordered list until Steelix, and even then about half of them are shit.
 
Great Sage said:
Tyranitar will be on nearly every team, and the ones it isn't on are going to be based on Raikou, Heracross, or Suicune. People will use Hitmontop to counter Tyranitar. Umbreon will be abused at first, but drop out of favor when people realize that Raikou, Suicune, Heracross, and Tyranitar switch in on it ad nauseam. Seriously, there's NO good Pokemon in Obi's numerically ordered list until Steelix, and even then about half of them are shit.
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I think he just listed every fully evolved Pokemon.

Nobody sane would put Unown up there.
 
Think Houndoom would see more action in a GSC Metagame? Honestly, Tyranitar and Blissey are the only Pokemon that come to mind that stop him completely. (And Heracross, but let's not go there.)
 
Seriously, there's NO good Pokemon in Obi's numerically ordered list until Steelix, and even then about half of them are shit.
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I wouldn't underestimate Typhlosion with Eruption and Focus Punch. Skarmbliss killer, plus very few switch in safely. Also now learns Solarbeam, so it is potentially devastating with Sunny Day support (no Dragons except Kingdra). Even Suicune and Slowking would think twice. Also, what's wrong with the likes of Crobat and Espeon among others?
 
Nice to see I kindled some interest Deck Knight.

Again I think this is an interesting idea with merit, but the slimmer pool of Pokes may or may not cause problems, you can never tell until field testing really.

Obviously DD Feraligatr can step out of Gyarados' shadow and likewise Azumarill doesn't have to worry about Medicham just being better in general.

Personally I like the idea of metagames that promote use of different Pokemon that you are used to seeing. Themed teams can be fun and suprisingly deep and last I checked fun is why I played this game in the first place.
 
Ampharos would tear things up as skarm bliss is pretty much a given and FP hits TTar hard. Even if Forretress shows its face I bet he could 2HKO.
 
Something tells me Blastoise would dominate alongside Steelix in the defensive department (as well as Forretress.).
 
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