The Forgotten Penguin (Empoleon Team OU)

[Fearmy]

Hey guys this is an Empoleon RMT so i'm going to focus on a way to get Empoleon to sweep with the Sub Peteya Set.

*Changes Will be Bolded*​

At a quick glance​

Roserade @ Focus Sash
EV: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Timid
~Sleep Powder
~Leaf Storm
~Toxic Spikes
~Hidden Power [Fire]

Classic Roserade Lead. Empoleon Likes to have his spikes set up... That's the reason why She's Here. Not To mention they have very nice Synergy, only Fire and Ground aren't resisted (however i wish they were seeing how the are weaknesses.) Also i want her to stay alive, so she can help me take on those bulky waters (Suicune i'm looking at you bitch)

Top 10 OU Leads of June 2009​

Metagross: Switch, Because they could be running Lum Berry, and i don't want to lose Roserade quickly. Swampert says hi, and if i expect a Explosion (which will probably happen) I have Rotom-H To save the day.
Azelf: Sleep Powder! Because Psychic and Fire Blast would normally OHKO, however... with Focus Sash i could easily put azelf to sleep, and if they SR, that's just an added bonus :)
Jirachi: Switch out into Swampert, they usually Iron head... and i don't want a 40% to use a 75% hitting move...
Swampert: Most Swampert are going to switch, which allows me to Sleep Powder, and Start setting up my Spikes
Aerodactyl: Switch out Can't Deal with it. Latias can However.
Infernape: Switch. Fake Out isn't nice :(
Hippowdon: See Swampert
Bronzong: Sleep Powder, and Start Setting up spikes
Ninjask: Switch to Swampert, and let him say Rawr.
Tyranitar: Switch to Swampert. Yes Switch, i don't want Roserade to die quickly... it would be a problem... (Sandstorm breaks Focus Sash, and even though i'm faster, i don't want Roserade to go become a sucidal Lead"

I'm sure you understand Ev's..

Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Evs: 252 HP/168 Def/88 Spe
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Bold
~Thunderbolt
~Reflect
~Overheat
~Shadowball

Soo i have spikes, but wouldn't it be a shame if a starmie decides to just spin them away? that's what this toaster is here for; other than the fact that he's also meant for Synergy. With Just Empoleon, He Resists all except Fire and Grass. I'm not sure why i chose this guy, maybe because he's one of the best for Spin Blocking? Also Helps get rid of those waters

EV's: 252 Hp for that pitful HP, 168 Defense for a nice Defense :X and 88 Speed to outrun Scizor, and OHKO w/ Overheat.

Infernape @ Life Orb
EV's 64 Atk/252 SpA/192 Spe
Ability: Blaze
Nature: Naive
~Close Combat
~Grass Knot
~Nasty Plot
~Fire Blast

All the scrubs are using Infernape as a lead, and it's sad that people still don't come prepared for mixape. Empoleon Hates... REALLY HATES blissey. Blissey Doesn't LIke Fighting attacks.. right? So Basically Infernape Smacks Blissey In the face. Also Grass Knot + Nasty Plot = Lots of dead bulky waters, something else Empoleon Hates. Also as an added bonus, Infernape will take out a lot of other walls, and Empoleon Won't Mind.
About all my team Would really appreciate having Blissey Gone, and mix ape is willing to do just that.

EV's are Simple: Meant for a mixed sweeper

Latias @ Choice Scarf
EV's: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Modest
~Trick
~Draco Meteor
~Thunderbolt
~Surf

Latias With Choice Scarf. My Check to DD users and mix ape. i know that my team would get demolished by those guys, so this guy had to be on this team. Trick actually can help me stop Crocune, who is a huge threat to this team, but they will most likely switch out on me...

EV's are straightforward. Maximize Speed and Special attack

Swampert @ Leftovers
EV's: 252 HP/ 4 Atk/ 252 Def
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Impish
~Roar
~Stealth Rock
~Ice Punch
~Earthquake

Swampert. This guy serves as my phazer and Stealth Rock users, Empoleon would enjoy both. Serves as my Extra Insurance With Roserade.
Ice Punch hits all of those grass/Dragons who think they can get an easy switch on him. EarthQuake to kill metagross, Tyranitar, and Heatran.

EV's aren't complicated at all.

Empoleon @ Peteya Berry
EV's 12 HP/12 Def/ 252 SpA/ 232 Spe
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Modest
~Substitue
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Agility

The Emperor, and Star of the team. I got a remark saying," Wow Empoleon is good.." that's the main reason why i use him, not many people consider him a threat at all.. Which is very sad. Sets up when my team has taken out the bulky waters/magnezone/Blissey/Latias/ (whom i can barely OHKO w/ SR) Or when My team just fails me, and i let Empoleon set up, and i somehow win. I chose Ice Beam over grass knot because it wouldn't let me do much against Dragons and Grasses.

EV's 12 hp and 12 Def because it's a Berry Number. and then Maxing SpA is important, because i have Agility WIth me..

Anyway Rate, Comment, Hope you can help me out. thanks :)​

 

[reyscarface]

Hello! Solid team overall buddy, really great, although we do can fix some things.

First of all, the Lucario weakness you have is enormous. Sure it wont have chance to set-up with ease, but in your Latias it may get an SD, and that would mean gg for you. The best way to fix this is changing your Rotom.
You can keep your set if you really want it, but I think that for such an offensive team, your best bet would be going with a Substitute Rotom.
With Substitute, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, Will O Wisp/Overheat, you will be able to check everything you want to check. We can either make it an offensive variant or a defensive one. The difference with your Rotom is that you will need max speed. Max speed means Adamant Lucario wont have a field trip on you, and gives you a reliable check to Gyarados too. Timid with 252 Speed EVs is the way to go, now the last 252 EVs can go either to HP for bulkyness or to Special Attack for a boost in power, its pretty much to preference, but i would say if you opt for bulkyness, use Will O Wisp, and if you pick power use Overheat.

I find that using HP Ice on Roserade is way better than HP Fire, specially since Scizor can just bullet punch, and Metagross carries Occa berry more often than not (also you should sleep it instead of attacking). HP Ice scores a clean OHKO on Mence, Flygon, and lead Gliscors that think they can taunt you and be happy.

IMO you should add like 8 more speed EVs on Nape, mainly because its crap to always speed tie with people that use the same set as you.

Now onto Pert, it looks completely fine, but theres one little thing, use Ice Beam > Ice Punch and change your nature to Relaxed. Ice Beam is better than Ice Punch for Salamence after Intimidate, same applies for Gyarados. Also, as in Infernape, use like 4 speed EVs to always beat people that run 0 speed on Pert.

Overall good team, just minor nitpicks, good luck in the future buddy!

 

[haunter]

Now onto Pert, it looks completely fine, but theres one little thing, use Ice Beam > Ice Punch and change your nature to Relaxed. Ice Beam is better than Ice Punch for Salamence after Intimidate, same applies for Gyarados. Also, as in Infernape, use like 4 speed EVs to always beat people that run 0 speed on Pert.

Everything Rey suggested is correct, but I would keep ice punch on Swampert, or I'd give it avalanche. This team has no proper counters for life orb Latias, and a well predicted ice punch on the switch or, even better, avalanche after she hits you with say dragon pulse, will almost ohko her. Salamence's intimidate is not really a problem because after SR and life orb it's dead anyway, and it's unlikely that Salamence will switch into Swampert, by the way.

 

[Fearmy]

Well.. For some reason, my Computer won't let me edit the post ^^; so let me say, i took everyone's advice, (though i kept Avalanche). the team is workign Very, Very smooth now! i'm winning about 9/10 ten games ^^

Though i have a problem with raikou ^^;

 

[franky]

Well.. For some reason, my Computer won't let me edit the post ^^; so let me say, i took everyone's advice, (though i kept Avalanche). the team is workign Very, Very smooth now! i'm winning about 9/10 ten games ^^

Though i have a problem with raikou ^^;

Though Raikou is a rare sight, it suffers moveslot syndrome. Thunderbolt + Hidden Power. If it has Ice, Swampert should deal with it, if it has Grass, Latias can take care of it.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

Wow so um...SDCrunch Lucario weakness much? The quickest way to fix this is just a simple switcharoo between your Rotom and Latias. How about you Scarf the Rotom, who is still able to revenge kill Gyarados and now slap Reflect onto Latias and have it become either a CMer, which will still indefinitely stop Infernape, as well as adding an additional sweeper. Or you could jsut run like Reflect+Recover+2 moves @ Life Orb.

 

[Fearmy]

lucarcio isn't much of a problem unless it's Jolly :X but my prime concern is that i need to revenge kill DD, seeing that they are wayyy more common than Lucarcio. but i could try that out.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

The way I see it, if Mence was Naive, your Lati would still die to it and you'd just resort to going to Swampert as you should've in the first place, but to each one's own.

And it doesn't matter if Lucario is Jolly, it's just going to Extremespeed KO Roserade, Latias, Infernape while being faster than the other 3.

 

[Fearmy]

The way I see it, if Mence was Naive, your Lati would still die to it and you'd just resort to going to Swampert as you should've in the first place, but to each one's own.

And it doesn't matter if Lucario is Jolly, it's just going to Extremespeed KO Roserade, Latias, Infernape while being faster than the other 3.

Changing Latias to Timid would fix the Mence Problem.

And i switched Rotom-A To 252 Spe EV's and Nature To Timid, which will outrun Adamant Lucarcios. Would Extreme Speed Kill Latias at Full HP acounting for SR?? if not, i could run HP Fire instead of Trick, which could help..

 

[Fearmy]

Sorry for DP (it won't let me edit my post when is gets like longer than 3 lines -_-) but HP Fire won't Kill Lucarcio in OHKO so i might as well just stick to the idea you gave me. However how would i deal with other latias? and is the CM'er defensive or offensive?