The malicious prowess of... Togekiss? [BULKY OFFENSE] OU

[throwknife]

1. Team Overview

2 Steath rock resists / 1 Immunity to Spikes / 4 Immunity to TSpikes



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The Lead​

metagross @ shuca berry
clear body / adamant
-explosion
-bullet punch
-stealth rock
-earthquake
252 hp / 248 atk / 8 spe​

ShucaGross is an awesome lead. He has never ceased to set up rocks against anything except faster taunt leads. Here is the plan:
1.Metagross - I use EQ whilst they set up rocks, then, as I'm 1 attack ahead, I generally kill their metagross. Then I set up rocks against their second pokemon and explode.
2.Azelf - Most of the time, Bullet Punch 2HKOs.
3.Jirachi - Rocks then Earthquake, or the other way round if necessary.
4.Swampert - Rocks, then Explosion most of the time.
5.Aerodactyl - Most of the time, Bullet punch 2HKOs. I take their EQs, taunting doesn't bother me.
6.Hippopotas - We Both set up rocks, then I take his EQ after weakening him with Bullet Punch, then I Explode.
7.Infernape - I take the Fake Out, then switch to heatran to take the oncoming Fire Blast.
8.Bronzong - Stealth Rock, then switch to Heatran. Unfortunately, none of my team can absorb sleep.
9.Ninjask - BULLET PAUNCH
10.Tyranitar - Can be problematic. Usually, I SR, Then chip away Health with BP.​

The Annoyer​

breloom @ toxic orb
poison heal / adamant
-spore
-focus punch
-substitute
-leech seed
44 hp / 252 atk / 212 spe

Breloom literally rips through teams. My Breloom generally Spores something, Subs on the switch, and if the switch in would be dented with Focus Punch, Then I'll Focus Punch it. If not, then it's Leech seed time! Does have trouble with Celebi switch-ins as neither option would harm it significantly, but that is a meager price to pay for the extent to how this pokemon dents everything else!​

The Revenger​

heatran @ choice scarf
flash fire / naive
-fire blast
-earth power
-explosion
-hidden power ice
4 hp / 252 spa / 252 spe

This poke is pretty self explanitory. He goes in when something dies, namely Scizor or Breloom, then outspeeds and OHKOs. He can kill the flying types and fire types than attack Breloom and the Rotoms and other fire types that plague Scizor. He can even absorb Fire moves aimed at Breloom and Scizor and OHKO a fire type back with Fire Blast! If I see Blissey or Snorlax etc. I Explode! Yay! ​

The Threat/Lure​

scizor @ life orb
technician / adamant
-u-turn
-brick break
-bullet punch
-swords dance
240 hp / 212 spd / 56 atk​

This pokemon isn't really intended as a threat. I put him on my team as a lure. This pokemon attracts Salamence, Heatran and Gyara which stop Togekiss' sweep. I then switch (or U-Turn if its heatran) to Porygon2 to take the attack and OHKO back. It was only when this brute began to sweep entire teams that I brushed up on its power. I pop a SD in, then use what is needed.​

The Sponge​

porygon2 @ leftovers
trace / bold
-ice beam
-recover
-thunderbolt
-thunder wave
216 def / 252 hp / 40 spa




My favourite pokemon! This was the first ever pokemon I EV trained and got to lvl 100! If you stop him evolving to the top SP. sweeper and keep him as the rounded 'toilet duck', his walling potential is unsurpassed. He can OHKO Salamence and Gyara, cripple sweepers with Paralysis, and stall out many LO pokemon, whilst tracing their Abilities such as:
Flash Fire
Water Absorb
Levitate
Volt Absorb
Intimidate
Serene Grace (Love it when I trace this XD)
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THE​

STAR​

AirMail (togekiss) @ leftovers
serene grace / calm
-air slash
-roost
-thunder wave
-nasty plot
252 hp / 4 spa / 252 spd


The star of my team! The purpose of this team is to wear away anything to stop a sweep from Togekiss, then unleash the beast. This thing has only seen daylight in the late game, or I may use it to take a hit. EVs given let it take a +2 Life Orb Fire Blast from a neutral natured Infernape. This thing can be deadly though. Once, in a game, there were 2 pokemon left. My Togekiss on 6% whose leties had been knocked off, and a Rotom-H on 69%. It could finish me with Thunderbolt, even if I roosted. I could outspeed it though. Air slash did, liek 20% to it. So I used air slash 4 times, and all of those times were Flinches! I won that game by utter fluke


and thats my team. please leave ways of how to fix it. I shoddied a bit, and my wins are now something like 25-11, which is way better, thanks for all the help.​

 

[Bad Ass]

looks like an overall nice team, but i think i can make it better! now, what you obviously are trying to do here is let togekiss loose and sweep with her, so i'm going to see if i can make that job any easier for you. first, you need to lure out her checks and counters and destroy them. as long as they cant take an air slash or two, you've as good as won. so how do i do this, bad ass? well, you have to (obviously) lure out stuff that togekiss doesn't like and kill it.

first, i'd like to change your togekiss set to one more appropriate for this type of team, a nasty plot sweeper version. you obviously lose some things by removing aura sphere for nasty plot. hitting steels and rocks is really the whole point behind using aura sphere, and without it you are prone to being walled. BUT it has many more pros than cons. first of all, you get to nail everything else that much harder with boosted air slashed. you can actually beat blissey now, among other things. togekiss has fantastic defenses to use nasty plot, and thunder wave's added benefit of fully paralyzing the foe is often giving her a second nasty plot. i'm also going to suggest dropping all your speed evs and moving them to special defense, as to not make heatran's timid fire blast a 2hko with stealth rocks down, and if you dont want to give up your boosts by switching.

togekiss @ leftovers
252 hp / 252 spdef / 4 spatk | calm

~ air slash
~ nasty plot
~ roost
~ thunder wave

next, i have big beef with that breloom set you're running. why are you using...leech seed...on a pokemon who cant touch grass types (celebi)? besides, that breloom is very bad anyway. you need a sub up to do any damage, and 2 of the top 3 pokemon resist your attacking move. i highly suggest a set i have tested myself, and can vouch for its effectiveness. this breloom can beat celebi, latias, and other things that normally plague a breloom such as yours. he hits hard right off the bat, and doesnt need a sub to do any damage.

breloom @ toxic orb
252 atk / 252 spe | jolly / adamant

~ facade
~ spore
~ superpower
~ seed bomb

lastly, you should change scizor's ev spread to a more appropriate one for what you are using it for. you need it to lure out salamence, heatran, and gyarados? it does this as well! not only does it do this, but it handles latias, a large threat to your primarily-special team. he doesn't have as much power as your current scizor, but he is much, MUCH bulkier. in the late game, he can pull off a swords dance and sweep with his boosted bullet punches. his u-turns keep the momentum going, swinging it into your favor, letting you punish the opponent for switching, as well as racking up that stealth rock damage. scizor also does a great job at u-turning out of zapdos and rotom, having them take ~40%, not be able to heal, and be forced out.

scizor @ life orb
240 hp / 212 spdef / 56 atk | adamant

~ u-turn
~ bullet punch
~ swords dance
~ roost

overall, looks like a solid team! best of luck and i hope i helped!

 

[throwknife]

@event searcher: You are getting confused. I suggest you do your homework and find out what EV levels are. There are a few good guides on this site. When I say '252 atk' I dont mean 'OMG MY METAGROSS HAS 252 ATK!', I mean there are 252 EV points in atk. for every 4 EV points in a stat, the stat raises by 1. You can only have 510 EV points though.

@ bad ass. When I'm allowed back on shoddy (banned :/) I'll test your changes! Thanks!

 

[Event searcher]

@event searcher: You are getting confused. I suggest you do your homework and find out what EV levels are. There are a few good guides on this site. When I say '252 atk' I dont mean 'OMG MY METAGROSS HAS 252 ATK!', I mean there are 252 EV points in atk. for every 4 EV points in a stat, the stat raises by 1. You can only have 510 EV points though.

@ bad ass. When I'm allowed back on shoddy (banned :/) I'll test your changes! Thanks!

I do appologise then!!!

OK sorry for that!!

As for the attacks I suggest you to put to your Metagross the Attack "Meteor Mass"!!! I'ts very strong!!!

Also why don't you do this:

Change Scizor's "U-Turn Attack" and one other and put instead these two attacks: "Substitute" and "Button Pass"!!
It can be a bit strange but u can do this:

Use first the Subsitute and then the attack Button Pass!!! The next pokemon you'll use will have a substitute and it will be protected for some time!!

Hope I help!!

 

[Event searcher]

Also I still belive that you should have Togekiss Sp.Attack better!!!

 

[throwknife]

I would consider Meteor Mash, but I already have Bullet Punch which is my steel type STAB, and my Metagross usually doesn't last too long as It tends to Explode, so I chose Earthquake, as it screws over more common leads.

The reason I didn't use the Baton pass and Substitute combo is that Scizor has quite low HP and isn't too fast. That combo is better left to a pokemon with 100+ base HP and 100+ base speed. And scizor is the pokemon I'd normally baton pass the substitute to.

As I set up Nasty plot, I prefer a defensive Togekiss, so I can take a hit whilst setting up nasty plot. And more defenses can help me sweep longer

 

[Darkvirus]

I see!! Well,it's a good way to thing but what about PorygonZ???
The name of it is clear!!
The guy in the video used "Nasty Plot" to maximaze it's Porygon's Sp.Atk and then he used "Hyper Beam"!!!

pg2 and pgz have VERY different positions on a team ps2 is a wall pgz is a sweeper not to mention hyperbeam is a crap move

anyway for you pg2 i would suggest using discharge>thunderbolt meaning then your thunderwave can be swaped for toxic which can anoy blissy switch in's

you also might want to switch dragon pulse on your heatran for hp ice so you can hit flyers harder and most dragons harder due to the part flying type

 

[throwknife]

Yeh, I've been meaning to swap HP ice for drag. pulse.

Porygon2 I use as It has trace, and Porygon Z doesn't.

I use my Porygon2 to cripple sweepers rather than to break walls, so guaranteed paralysis is more threatening to stuff like heatran, the only situation Discharge>T-Bolt IMO is when I've traced Serene Grace.

And about killing blissey, Porygon Z illing it is remarkable because Blissey has 130 odd base Sp. Def, and 250 odd HP. It only has 5 Physical Defense, so I leave the job of killing it to my Psychical sweeepers like Breloom, Scizor or Heatran Blowing Up.

 

[Annoying Old Party Man]

1. Team Overview

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The Lead​

metagross @ shuca berry
clear body / adamant
-explosion
-bullet punch
-stealth rock
-earthquake
252 hp / 248 atk / 8 spe​

This guy is a safe lead. He has never ceased to set up rocks against anything except faster taunt leads. Here is the plan:
1.Metagross - I use EQ whilst they set up rocks, then, as I'm 1 attack ahead, I generally kill their metagross. Then I set up rocks against their second pokemon and explode.
2.Azelf - Most of the time, Bullet Punch 2HKOs.
3.Jirachi - Rocks then Earthquake, or the other way round if necessary.
4.Swampert - Rocks, then Explosion most of the time.
5.Aerodactyl - Most of the time, Bullet punch 2HKOs. I take their EQs, taunting doesn't bother me.
6.Hippopotas - We Both set up rocks, then I take his EQ after weakening him with Bullet Punch, then I Explode.
7.Infernape - I take the Fake Out, then switch to heatran to take the oncoming Fire Blast.
8.Bronzong - Stealth Rock, then switch to Heatran. Unfortunately, none of my team can absorb sleep.
9.Ninjask - BULLET PAUNCH
10.Tyranitar - Can be problematic. Usually, I SR, Then chip away Health with BP.

I would recommend using this set:

Metagross@Occa Berry
252 hp/236 atk/12 def/8 spe
Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Stealth Rock
Explosion

Earthquake for heatran and gross leads,
Meteor Mash helps with aerodactyl and azelf, neither of which can 2hko metagross
Stealth Rock is standard
Explosion for swampert and such.
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The Annoyer​

breloom @ toxic orb
poison heal / adamant
-spore
-focus punch
-substitute
-leech seed
44 hp / 252 atk / 212 spe

Breloom literally rips through teams. My Breloom generally Spores something, Subs on the switch, and if the switch in would be dented with Focus Punch, Then I'll Focus Punch it. If not, then it's Leech seed time! Does have trouble with Celebi switch-ins as neither option would harm it significantly, but that is a meager price to pay for the extent to how this pokemon dents everything else!


Looks solid.
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The Revenger​

heatran @ choice scarf
flash fire / naive
-fire blast
-earth power
-explosion
-dragon pulse
4 hp / 252 spa / 252 spe

This poke is pretty self explanitory. He goes in when something dies, namely Scizor or Breloom, then outspeeds and OHKOs. He can kill the flying types and fire types than attack Breloom and the Rotoms and other fire types that plague Scizor. He can even absorb Fire moves aimed at Breloom and Scizor and OHKO a fire type back with Fire Blast! If I see Blissey or Snorlax etc. I Explode! Yay!

Also looks good.
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The Threat/Lure​

scizor @ life orb
technician / adamant
X-scissor
-brick break
-bullet punch
-swords dance
32 hp / 252 atk / 224 spe​

This pokemon isn't really intended as a threat. I put him on my team as a lure. This pokemon attracts Salamence, Heatran and Gyara which stop Togekiss' sweep. I then switch (or U-Turn if its heatran) to Porygon2 to take the attack and OHKO back. It was only when this brute began to sweep entire teams that I brushed up on its power. I pop a SD in, then use what is needed.

I would use x-scissor over u-turn. If you get a sd and a cresselia or a slower,bulky poke comes in, such as swampert, bp and bb just wont cut it.
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The Sponge​

porygon2 @ leftovers
trace / bold
-ice beam
-recover
-thunderbolt
-thunder wave
216 def / 252 hp / 40 spa




My favourite pokemon! This was the first ever pokemon I EV trained and got to lvl 100! If you stop him evolving to the top SP. sweeper and keep him as the rounded 'toilet duck', his walling potential is unsurpassed. He can OHKO Salamence and Gyara, cripple sweepers with Paralysis, and stall out many LO pokemon, whilst tracing their Abilities such as:
Flash Fire
Water Absorb
Levitate
Volt Absorb
Intimidate
Serene Grace (Love it when I trace this XD)

Looks good once again.
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THE​

STAR​

AirMail (togekiss) @ leftovers
serene grace / calm
-air slash
-roost
-thunder wave
-aura sphere
252 hp / 136 def / 120 spd


The star of my team! The purpose of this team is to wear away anything to stop a sweep from Togekiss, then unleash the beast. This thing has only seen daylight in the late game, or I may use it to take a hit. EVs given let it take a +2 Life Orb Fire Blast from a neutral natured Infernape. This thing can be deadly though. Once, in a game, there were 2 pokemon left. My Togekiss on 6% whose leties had been knocked off, and a Rotom-H on 69%. It could finish me with Thunderbolt, even if I roosted. I could outspeed it though. Air slash did, liek 20% to it. So I used air slash 4 times, and all of those times were Flinches! I won that game by utter fluke

If your trying to win by flinch, switch to 252 speed, as you need to be faster to flinch. To sweep with kiss, you should run a more offensive set such as:

Togekiss@Leftovers/Life Orb
Nasty Plot
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Grass Knot/Roost
4 hp/252 SpAtk/252 spe

It can sweep easily, and is still relativly bulky. Nasty plot to boost SpAtk, Air slash for stab and flinch hax and aura sphere and flamethrower are for steels that resist air slash. Grass knot if you want it, and roost for extra longlivity and oppertunities to np more than once.

aaaant (I think you mean and...) thats my team. please leave ways of how to fix it. My wins/losses IRL are 16-9, so I'm not doing too well... I will reveal problem pokes in my Threat list.​

Changes in Bold

 

[throwknife]

@gary the gengar : Thanks for all the help.

To start at the start: Metagross.
Your suggestion is the metagross listed in the Strategy Pokedex, the Common Lead. My one is a bit different. As Heatran and Infernape are used less, and I have my own heatran to absorb fire, I swapped Occa berry for Shuca berry. As I can survive EQ with my berry, I move the Def EVs into ATK so I hit harder. Shuca berry helps with the opponents Meta lead, which I can kill. Bullet Punch I prefer as, against non Defensive Aeros, I can OHKO some with Bullet Punch before then taunt me. And BP can kill sashed Azelf before it blows up.

scizor : I understand your logic, but Magnezone is a greater threat.

Togekiss : I don't need Aura Shpere for the stuff that resists Air Slash as the aim of this team is to remove the pokemon that can't be pwned by Air slash.
I also use this Kiss as a 'nape check, so It needs to be bulky. Using 252 Spe just won't cut it, Thunder wave is needed to make sure i attack first, so Flinch hax can take hold.

 

[Annoying Old Party Man]

if you predict the magnezone switch, you can double switch or hit it with bb

 

[PurpleWeezing]

Okay, so what we have here is a team with a huge, huge fighting weakness. Stuff like Machamp, Breloom or Infernape (Mach Punch/Vacuum Wave variants) will sweep you. I don't really see how Porygon2 aids this team. I see how it counters Heatran and Gyarados, but that's it, considering you have Scizor to handle Salamence. I'd request replacing Porygon2 with something that counters Gyarados and Heatran... Vaporeon or even Slowbro could fit, especially the ladder seems to fit great, as it also counters Machamp and physical variants of Infernape.


Slowbro (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Slack Off

This aids in blocking the fighters Heatran can't revenge. Still, Heatran is not a great answer to the likes of Lucario. I suggest leading with Heatran and replacing Metagross with a Choice Scarfed Rotom-h.

Heatran (M) @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 6 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Stealth Rock
- Flamethrower
- Explosion
- Earth Power

This allows you to lure in Blissey or Snorlax against "worse players" and blow them up, whilst with Scarfed Heatran you'd have to resort to good prediction.

Rotom-h @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Overheat
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
- Shadow Ball

This doesn't only revenge kill a lot of troublesome stuff. It also helps Togekiss by luring in special walls and tricking them a scarf.

Other minor changes like using Chocie Band Scizor are up to you. I'd use CBScizor, as it's vital for removing Blissey who could Toxic your Togekiss and stop its sweep. If you're able to trick a scarf onto Blissey, Scizor will have an easy time pursuing you. But thats personal preference and if Scizor served you well, I'd keep it.
(If you don't have access to one of the Rotom formes you'd have to add something else that's able to revenge Infernape and Lucario with a fighting resistance, so better have access to Rotom :x)

 

[throwknife]

I have finished all of my shoddy testing for now.
Slowbro is amazing in this team!
He now has a permanent slot in my teams, and maybe in some of my future teams as well.
Rotom-H isn't doing too well. I may replace his slot with something I can use to sponge Fire attacks.