The mob with a Plan (OU)

duke3528

At A Glance
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All the changes I have made are in black.

I appricate all comments and changes.

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Jirachi @ Left Overs - (The Mangler)
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 80 HP/252 Atk/176 Spe
Jolly nature
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- Iron Head​

I like this jirachi as a lead because of my options. Depending on who the other lead is if I think he is a suicide lead I will trick first. I f not I wil lay down stealth rocks and switch accoringly to save his trick for later if needed. Since he can take most dragons I gave him ice puch to tear through them. With having serene grace I gave him iron head for the stab and the high chance of flinch which has helped alot. The choice scarf is for the extra power if I dont use trick right away which can help revenge kill later.

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Breloom @ Toxic Orb - (The Umpire)
Ability: Toxic Absorb
EVs: 12 HP/240 Atk/252 Spe
Adamant nature
- Spore
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Focus Punch​

This guy is just as mean as can be. He has been the last mon alive on my team with still 3 to go for my opponent and still have won. Fist thing is always spore for that fantastic 100% sleep. After that a substitute to a leech seed or focus punch. I like to save him for mid to late game as he is not expected on my team very often. With toxic orb and leech seed it is an instant recovery for those much needed subs he puts up. The last great thing is that since he is always poisned he doesnt have to worry about being put to sleep or paralyzed.

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Salamence @ Life Orb -(Six Toes)
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 80 Atk/252 Spa/176 Spe
Mild nature
- Earthquake
- Draco Meteor
- Flame Thrower
- Roost​

I love mixed salamence it helps me break through walls along with my two trickers. Dracometeor hits everything pretty hard and is also there for stab. Because of earthquake it helps me with those pesky steels and fire types. Along with e-quake flame thrower helps out with the steels to along with the grass types. And lastly outrage for the stab and to just hit hard. The down fall is being confused at the end aswell as being locked in. Having intimidateis just awsome with lowering my opponents attack. I normally have her come out early to mid game to help clear the way for breloom.


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Scizor @ Choice Band - (The Stare)
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/4 Def/4 Spe
Adamant nature
- Pursuit
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Super Power​

Scizor is my main revenge killer while to take on ghosts. Pursuit is for all the rotoms and ghosts running around lately who can be a pain. U-turn helps out to scout to see what is comming up to be alittle more prepaired. Bullet punch for stab and priority to get that much needed kill. Roost if I choose to go with the life orb will help with all the loss in hp I will get from the orb.

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Rotom-c @ Choice Scarf - (Weed Wacker)
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Satk/252 Spe
Timid nature
- Thunder Bolt
- Shadow Ball
- Trick
- Over Heat​

I normally don't pull rotom out unless needed. If someone is dragon dancing or usins a swords dance then I will pull him out for the trick to stop them cold in their tracks. Out of all the rotomos I chose cut for leaf storm to help with swampert. Thunder bolt and shadow ball are there for stab. Thunder bolt comes in handy for the water types, and shadow ball for the ghost types. Like I said though after I have a reason to trick then I will bring him out to healp the team unless for a much needed revenge kill.

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Gyarados @ Left Overs - (Undertaker)
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 156 HP/108 Atk/100 Def/144 Spe
Adamant nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Stone Edge​

Gyarados is my staus absorber and late game sweeper along next to breloom. I like keeping him for near the end to watch out for celebi's, thunder bolting starmies, and cresslia. After that I can pretty much set much real easy. gyarados helps out alot with infernape and the other fire/ fighting types. One of the great things about gyarados is that I have another mon with intimidate. In the long run I have an intimidater early and later in the game. I would like a little more bulk on gyarados but the extra atk helps out being in the later part of the game.




It has been awhile for me to post a team because I have been really busy. I am looking to hopfully make this team better in the long run so that is why I have brought it to smogon. You guys have helped me the most. So rate hate or steal im ready
 
Hi. This team looks decent enough, there's only really a handful of problems that I can see. The main issue that I've noticed would be that there seems to be a bit of a clash of interests. Breloom and RestTalk Gyara are both suited to bulky offense teams, while most of the other members of your team aren't really bulky enough to support them and make them work properly.

The first thing that I'd change is Jirachi and Rotom. Having them both as Scarfers is pretty unnecesarry imo, especially as Rotom and Scizor already cover pretty much everything that Scarf Jirachi does.
Instead, I think you'd be better off giving Jirachi either Leftovers or an Occa Berry, and a moveset of Fire Punch/Body Slam/Iron Head/Stealth Rock. Non-Scarf lead Jirachi works extremely well at the moment, matching up to almost all the common leads atleast as well as Scarf Jirachi does, while being extremely useful later on.

What exactly is your current Salamence EV spread achieving? You'd be better off going with the standard spread of 80 Atk / 252 SpA / 176 Spe for that extra bit of power, seeing as the speed doesn't really do much for you. I think your team would benefit a lot more from the classic MixMence set of Draco Meteor/Fire Blast (or Flamethrower)/Brick Break/Roost than Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Earthquake/Outrage, as with the current set, you have to more or less play perfectly in order to beat stall, which isn't really a situation you want to be in. The classic set is just as effective against most other teams, so it should be a better choice in general.

CB Scizor would be better than LO/Expert Belt here, especially if you use non-Scarf Jirachi, as you'll need that extra power for Scizor to revenge kill with Bullet Punch and weaken counters with U-turn effectively. I don't really think Roost will be all that useful for you with this team, and definately not as useful as CB would be.
You should move 2 Defense EVs into HP, as they aren't doing anything in Defense, and your current spread is 2 EVs away from the next HP point.

With Rotom, I'd go with Overheat over Leaf Storm, as Swampert shouldn't be able to wall you considering you have Breloom and MixMence, both of which also mean that you can beat last pokemon CursePert. Overheat lets you guarentee the OHKO on Lucario and Scizor, which is always useful. It might be worth using a Timid nature, so that you can outspeed Adamant Lucario even after Tricking away your Scarf, although that's down to preference, as you already have Gyarados to fall back on.

I'd just go with a standard DD set with Gyarados, either a bulky one or an offensive one with Leftovers. You've already got a status absorber in Breloom, and you'd benefit a lot more from a Gyarados that can sweep reliably than a second status absorber. The only status that's going to trouble you is early-game sleep, and Jirachi beats the main user of that (Roserade). You can always give Jirachi a Lum Berry if you don't want to risk it.
If you go with a DD Gyara, it might be a good idea to use the bulky set with Bounce so that you can beat Celebi, which could be pretty annoying to deal with otherwise. If you go with Taunt/Dragon Dance/Bounce/Waterfall, Gyarados gives you another good way of dealing with stall teams, as well as a good late-game sweeper. If you're not too worried about stall, Stone Edge would be more useful than Taunt so that you can hit flying-types for super effective damage, Zapdos and other Gyarados in particular.

Otherwise, the team looks pretty solid. I hope you find this useful, and good luck!
 
Ilike some of those ideas. I like having two trickers though. I will test out those ideas and see how they work. I do appreciate the feed back. Anyone else?
 
So far I have tried everything out and I still like my jirachi the way it is. The only thing I am still working on is changing rotom cut for oven to have over heat. I am still not sure on changing that up yet. With more testing I will find out wich I like more. I know having three choice pokemon on a team is a bit much but it is working really well right know. Thank you alot tab for helping.


Master of darkness I appriciate you trying to help but you cant really tell me something is broken and then not how to fix the problem beacuase blissey is not really a problem for me so I am not sure where you were going with that.
 
lol it doesnt matter, I was just saying since I know how much of a problem sub-bliss can be and I know that breloom will be defenseless
the sub-bliss I battle had seismic toss so no amount of defense can fix that
s-toss also breaks through sub 99% of the time, I've been looking into breloom more and it needs defense EV's imo, this is completely your choice but to try and counter almost anything (fixed damage moves) I'd recommend these EV's
252 spd/ 240 def/ 12 atk
Just my theory, I learned that the higher defense is, the more likely
sub will stay longer, this is just my theory as I say but I feel those EV's could work
 
Magnezone Problem

Magnezone can cause you a problem, seeing that you have 2 steel types that can by trapped. And they're both choiced, meaning that magnezone can come in on a attack that's not very effective.

For Jirachi, if you SR, and Magnezone comes in while you SR then your trapped, and you cannot do anything else but use SR. Its a similar situtation with Scizor. If it comes in after you use Bullet Punch, and slowly kill you with T-Bolt, or use HP Fire.

I would recommend a Choiced Dugtrio. CBed Dugtruo has much power. But I would choose Choice Scarf, b/c Heatran can be problematic, with Scarf you out-speed Scarfed Heatran and hit them with Earthquake.

Hopfully that helps. =]
 
Over heat has come in handy as tab and calum said. Thank you very much guys. As I have not run into any magnezones yet I see how that could be a huge problem so as tab suggested I changed jirachi around alittle. The reason I am not going with body slam> ice puch is because I am not to worried about paraylizing. I would rather have ice punch for dragon and grass types plus with not being able to put someone to sleep while the opponet is paralyzed. Giving jirachi the fire punch should help out with magnezone. I will try out that spread on breloom. It makes scenes on paper so I will deffinatly try it out in game.
 
WHat do you suggest on replacing him with. Before I had him I was using a machamp but wasn't to impressed with him. I had more ko's with breloom.
 
Togekiss Lead
@Focus Band/Leftovers
Nature: Naughty
Ability: Serene Grace
EV's: 252 spe/ 126 atk/ 126 spD
Moveset
-Substitute: First move to set-up
-Ancient Power: Boost up stats, SG helps boost the effect and sub will break less
-Baton Pass: If you see the next move is about to beat you, use Pass while using AP in sub
-Any other move you want

I'd reccomend that to replace loom
 
master of darkness said:
I tested the breloom, it got OHKO'd by a heat wave zapdos
its broken, get rid of it seriously no offense but its rubbish
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Why would you leave Breloom in against Zapdos? This guy obviously has no idea what he's talking about. Breloom might be frail, but with an 100% accurate sleeping move, it's not difficult for Breloom to set up a substitute.

You might want to replace Leech Seed with Seed Bomb, this will allow Breloom to dent pokemon that are immune to Focus punch (aka ghost pokemon) if he's behind a substitute before having to switch out and it also OHKOs Swampert and 2-3HKOs other bulky waters.

I'd also recommend giving Breloom an Adamant nature over Jolly.
 
...master of darkness, everything you have posted here has been stupid or incorrect. First, Def EVs will not help against Blissey using Seismic Toss, as Seismic toss does 100HP damage regardless of defense. Second, unless Breloom has a sub up AND the Sleep Clause has not been activated, only a complete idiot would leave Breloom in on a Zapdos.
Finally, the Togekiss set you reccommended is completely stupid. Even with Serene Grace, Ancientpower has only a 20% chance of boosting all stats. Along with that, you have Atk EVs and an Atk boosting nature, when it knows no physical attacks! If Togekiss is going to pass anything, it would be Nasty Plot. Also, no Togekiss should ever not know Air Slash.

Duke, I agree with Atheist Cult, Seed Bomb does help against Ghosts, and is a great move on Breloom. However, I still prefer Leech Seed, as the recovery from it is nice, it forces switches, building up SR damage. You already have Rotom to kill Ghosts, too, so I don't know if switching to Seed Bomb would be neccesary. But that's up to you.
Adamant is better on Breloom. The only thing you're outrunning with Max Speed Jolly (that Max Speed Adamant won't) is Modest Max Speed Heatran (non-scarf, obviously), which are not very common. The extra power is better, really.
 
Thank you atheist cult and tyranitarphantom. I will deffinatly change brelooms nature to adamant. That makes alot more sense. With seed bomb, I do really like the suggestion of it so I am not stuck with one physical move but aswell like tyranitarphantom said leech seed can get switeches and if they don't switch then I can just keep throwing subs up and get that health back. But I will deffinatly try it out. Thank you guys alot. vbmenu_register("postmenu_2055780", true);
 
Tyranitarphantom said:
...master of darkness, everything you have posted here has been stupid or incorrect. First, Def EVs will not help against Blissey using Seismic Toss, as Seismic toss does 100HP damage regardless of defense. Second, unless Breloom has a sub up AND the Sleep Clause has not been activated, only a complete idiot would leave Breloom in on a Zapdos.
Finally, the Togekiss set you reccommended is completely stupid. Even with Serene Grace, Ancientpower has only a 20% chance of boosting all stats. Along with that, you have Atk EVs and an Atk boosting nature, when it knows no physical attacks! If Togekiss is going to pass anything, it would be Nasty Plot. Also, no Togekiss should ever not know Air Slash.

Duke, I agree with Atheist Cult, Seed Bomb does help against Ghosts, and is a great move on Breloom. However, I still prefer Leech Seed, as the recovery from it is nice, it forces switches, building up SR damage. You already have Rotom to kill Ghosts, too, so I don't know if switching to Seed Bomb would be neccesary. But that's up to you.
Adamant is better on Breloom. The only thing you're outrunning with Max Speed Jolly (that Max Speed Adamant won't) is Modest Max Speed Heatran (non-scarf, obviously), which are not very common. The extra power is better, really.
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I know what Im talking about ffs, YOU just ont understand it
 
Anyone else. I aprriciate all who has helped out with this team. This will be the last bump hopefully I can get alittle more feed back
 
I don't mean to ask anything unnecessarily, but how do you normally play against Latias? Do you use Mence? I could definitely see Latias baiting Draco Meteor, switching to a name less steel type (making flamethrower useless), then them having the bulk to survive Earthquake, and you being OHKO'd by Ice punch.

Although I'm not able to contribute much, it would be nice to know what kind of problems you face when using this team because you're really only telling us the moveset and a description of the pokemon, knowing the problems you face with this team will be make it easier to offer a solution for.
 
With latias I normally lead off with jirachi and end him off with scizor if jirachi did not finish him off. It depends on what latias moves set is though. If I feel the need I will bring out salamence to handle the job. One problem I can point out is having problems with infernape. For some reason either misperdiction or rather he has taken me out aswell by end game I have had lucario take me out because my rotom and salamence is gone.
 
HEy pretty cool team. I was thinking about your team and I would change your scyther. I would give him a life orb over choice band so your not stuck on one move and give him X-scissor over super power
 
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