The Tale of the Two Genies

The Tale of the Two Genies

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Hello Everyone,
I just recently started playing in the 5th Generation, and I've found it to be a very fun and exciting metagame. With powerful threats like Latios, Reuniclus, and Thundurus, the power creep is very evident in this generation. The team I am showcasing today is a standard Wifi OU team. It is a balanced team (as are most teams in this metagame) that is leaning more toward offense. I've found running a full out offensive team is nearly impossible due to the immense power of other sweepers that just shatter through full offensive team. I think my team is fairly unique in that it features two of the Legendary Genies of generation 5, Thundurus and Landorus. I feel like I'm dragging on a bit now, so here's the team!



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(M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Thunder Wave
- Power Whip

Ferrothorn is a contender for the pokemon with the top OU usage, and for good reason. Ferrothorn has many key resistances and only two weaknesses thanks to its amazing defensive typing. But what's a great typing without stats to back it up. Well, Ferrothorn has amazing 74/131/116 defenses, making it extremely difficult to KO without super effective STAB moves. Ferrothorn's role on my team is to set up entry hazards early on, as he is generally my lead, and come back in midgame to do some walling. I chose Ferrothorn because I can use both entry hazards on him, and he isn't completely useless once the hazards are up. Ferrothorn's moveset is the two hazards, Thunder Wave for the obvious paralysis support, and Power Whip which has decent power coming off a 94 base Attack and prevents Thorn from being shut down by Taunt.



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(M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Payback
- Bulk Up

Conkeldurr is an amazing pokemon. He is surprisingly bulky, and has an amazing base 140 Attack. Now, this may look like an offensive set (as it is), but I think of him and Reuniclus as more defensive sweepers or even walls, as both of their set up moves up their defenses. Conkeldurr is nearly unstoppable after 2-3 boosts, which isnt hard to get considering after 1 boosts he threatens almost the entire metagame. He fits on this team perfectly, and is very necessary as my main Excadrill counter. Conkeldurr's movepool may be shallow, but its perfect for what he does as a bulky sweeper. Bulk Up is to raise his already stellar Attack and acceptable defense. Drain Punch is main STAB, and it helps by healing Conkeldurr a good chunk of HP. Payback is to hit ghosts that are immune to his STAB. Finally, Mach Punch is necessary priority and helps with many threats, most of all Excadrill. I have been considering an EV change to 252 HP/252 SpDef, but I'm not sure how much that will help his poor Special Defense. If you could leave feedback on this, I would definitely appreciate it.



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(M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Psyshock
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

This Pokemon is just incredible. I can't even believe it. This cute little blob completely blows past his mediocre Psychic typing to become one of the biggest threats in the metagame. This is the pokemon I am most afraid of seeing on opposing teams. A monster 125 Special Attack and amazing 110/75/85 defenses are good as it is, but then give it an ability that makes stall useless, turns this guy into a top tier threat. Reuniclus completes the offensive-defensive core of my team (Ferrothorn, Conkeldurr, Reuniclus). Together, these guys can check almost every other sweeper. Reuniclus is incredibly hard to take down with this Physically Defensive spread. Calm Mind raises its huge SpAtk and its SpDef, making it nearly impossible to take down. Recover heals off damage from the hits it takes, making it even tougher to take down. Psyshock is main STAB, and was chosen so Blissey and Chansey don't dominate me. Finally, Hidden Power Fighting is used over Focus Blast for accuracy and higher PP, because at +6, the power doesn't really matter.



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(M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- U-turn
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Landorus is my check to Sand teams, as he thrives in the sand. Landorus' offenses are something other pokemon could dream for. 125 Attack and 115 Special Attack make him hit hard on both sides of the spectrum. To top it off, he got a fairly trolly 101 speed, to outspeed those pesky base 100s. With Garchomp gone, that 101 speed is now a very good stat, as Chomp used to outspeed him. However, his speed is still too low to check some threats. That's not a problem though, just slap on a Choice Scarf. I absolutely love Scarf Landorus. In the sand, his Earthquake and Stone Edge get a boost equivalent to Life Orb. His moveset is standard. Earthquake and Stone Edge form the infamous EdgeQuake combo, and are boosted by Sand Force. U-Turn is a great move with a Scarf, turning Landorus into an excellent scout. Finally, Hidden Power Ice is to hit the common Ground and Dragon Types. I am considering using HP Fire to hit Scizor and Genesect. Input?



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(M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Substitute

Thundurus is an incredibly threatening sweeper, especially with his Prankster ability to let him Sub and Nasty Plot with priority. Thundurus is the biggest troll Gamefreak has ever made. A 115 Attack with a 125 Special Attack is very great, but the best part is the 111 Speed. You heard me... 111. Outspeeding the highest landmark by a mere 1 point, Thundurus is one of the fastest things you will commonly see. This set takes advantage of his offensive prowess and his Prankster ability, turning Thundurus into a very fearsome lategame sweeper. Nasty Plot is to boost his already amazing Special Attack. Thunderbolt is STAB and with Hidden Power Ice forms a Pseudo-BoltBeam combo. Substitute is amazing with Prankster, as I can sub on the switch and continue to Sub and Nasty Plot up. That is the reason Lefties are used on this set as opposed to the usual Life Orb.



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@ Life Orb
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Starmie got the last spot on this team because it is the fastest Rapid Spinner in OU. Also, Starmie resists Ice, which both genies absolutely hate. Starmie has been very helpful for this team, as most of my team hates the residual damage caused by hazards, especially Thundurus. Starmie's great 115 speed causes it to outspeed almost all major OU threats. Starmie helps Thundurus get a clean sweep at the end of the game, and also helps by spinning away hazards midgame. The moveset is the standard Rapid Spin set. Rapid Spin is obligatory on a spinner. Surf is a STAB move and Ice Beam helps with coverage, though I might switch one of those moves for Thunderbolt, so please provide feedback on that also. Finally, Recover is to shrug off damage Starmie has taken from switching into hazards and resisted attacks.



In conclusion, this team has been extremely fun to use. It had some problems at first, but with a lot of tweaks, it has become successful. Double Genie has been a surprise to many people, but I found it very intriguing. Please provide feedback on changes of Pokemon, EV's, Movesets, Items, etc. Thanks for reading and Rate away.
 
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Offensive Threats
 
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon142.png[/IMG] Aerodactyl - No one uses this, but Landorus can outspeed and OHKO 
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/567.png[/IMG] Archeops - Landorus, Thundurus, and Starmie all outspeed and either OHKO or render useless
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/9b/Ani482MS.png[/IMG] Azelf - Reuniclus can wall it with Calm Minds set up. Thorn takes those without Flamethrower.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/625.png[/IMG] Bisharp - Basically my entire team barring Reuniclus can take it.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/7e/Ani286MS.png[/IMG] Breloom - Reuniclus and Conkeldurr
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/609.png[/IMG] Chandelure - Starmie takes it, kind of worthless without Shadow Tag
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/638.png[/IMG] Cobalion - What is this? Conkeldurr
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/534.png[/IMG] Conkeldurr - Reuniclus or Thundurus
[IMG]http://pldh.net/media/pokecons/555.png[/IMG]Darmanitan - Conkeldurr and Starmie
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/386-speed.png[/IMG]Deoxys-S - Doesn't really do anything besides hazards
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon149.png[/IMG] Dragonite - Either Genie, Starmie
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/621.png[/IMG] Druddigon - Ferrothorn
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/604.png[/IMG] Eelektross - Landorus, Conkeldurr, Reuniclus
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon466.png[/IMG] Electivire - Depends on the set. Conkeldurr can take all without Psychic. Reuniclus takes them.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/500.png[/IMG] Emboar - Conkel, Reuniclus
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/37/Ani395MS.png[/IMG] Empoleon - Ferrothorn, Reuniclus
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/a7/196MS.png[/IMG]Espeon - Ferrothorn, Reuniclus after boosts
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/589.png[/IMG] Escavalier - Reuniclus, Thundurus
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/530.png[/IMG] Excadrill - Conkeldurr, Landorus out of sand
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/445.png[/IMG]Garchomp - Uber
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/649.png[/IMG]Genesect - Usually Scarfed, so I take advantage of move choice
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/18/Ani094MS.png[/IMG] Gengar - Landorus, Thundurus, and somethimes Ferrothorn
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/623.png[/IMG] Golurk - Starmie, Landorus
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d1/Ani130MS.png[/IMG] Gyarados - Starmie, Thundurus, Ferrothorn
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/612.png[/IMG] Haxorus - Ferrothorn, Landorus
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/03/Ani485MS.png[/IMG] Heatran - Landorus, Starmie, Reuniclus
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon214.png[/IMG] Heracross - Conkeldurr, 
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/635.png[/IMG] Hydreigon - Starmie, Landorus
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/74/Ani392MS.png[/IMG]Infernape -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/77/Ani385MS.png[/IMG] Jirachi -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/14/Ani135MS.png[/IMG] Jolteon -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/647.png[/IMG] Keldeo -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d8/Ani230MS.png[/IMG] Kingdra -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/553.png[/IMG] Krookodile -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/646.png[/IMG] Kyurem -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/645.png[/IMG] Landorus -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/381.png[/IMG]Latios -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/549.png[/IMG] Lilligant -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b0/Ani448MS.png[/IMG] Lucario -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/cc/Ani068MS.png[/IMG] Machamp -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d8/Ani462MS.png[/IMG] Magnezone -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/67/Ani473MS.png[/IMG] Mamoswine -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/648-step.png[/IMG]Meloetta-S -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/648-voice.png[/IMG]Meloetta-V -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/49/Ani376MS.png[/IMG] Metagross -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/620.png[/IMG] Mienshao -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/579.png[/IMG] Reuniclus -
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon407.png[/IMG] Roserade -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/373.png[/IMG]Salamence -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/586.png[/IMG] Sawsbuck -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b4/Ani212MS.png[/IMG] Scizor -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/560.png[/IMG] Scrafty-
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/537.png[/IMG] Seismitoad -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/497.png[/IMG] Serperior -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/492-land.png[/IMG]Shaymin -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/561.png[/IMG] Sigilyph -
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon235.png[/IMG] Smeargle -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/19/Ani121MS.png[/IMG]Starmie -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/639.png[/IMG] Terakion -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/642.png[/IMG] Thundurus -
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon468.png[/IMG] Togekiss -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/641.png[/IMG] Tornadus -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/59/Ani248MS.png[/IMG] Tyranitar -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/df/003MS.png[/IMG]Venusaur -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/494.png[/IMG] Victini -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/640.png[/IMG] Virizion -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/637.png[/IMG] Volcarona -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/a0/Ani461MS.png[/IMG] Weavile -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/571.png[/IMG] Zoroark -

 
Hey there, cool team.
On Thundurus though, I recommend focus blast over substitute, as it allows you to have much better type coverage, hitting mamoswine, blissey, etc. If you do that, try giving it Lum berry instead of Leftovers in order to get a free set up on Jirachi/Blissey. I think you should use leftovers over life orb on Reuniclus, since it allows for more survivability. Also, just keep Conkelldur's ev spread like it is, as you do not have any other form of priority.
 
Thanks for the rate!
I tried Focus Blast originally, and its coverage only helped with Magnezone. I did not enjoy its awful accuracy, so I swapped that for Taunt, but I then found Sub more useful. And on Reuniclus, I find Life Orb more useful, as I have Recover, and with Magic Guard, Life Orb is recoil free. And I will keep Conkeldurr's EV's as is.
 
hey i would try flame orb over leftovers on conkeldurr. it makes him much stronger and a status absorber. also on starmie i would try tbolt over recover because starmie isnt taking many hits. same thing with leftovers. life orb makes him much stronger. also i think you should keep conkeldurrs evs tge same. if theres any suggestions you dont luke then dont take them.
 
Are you entirely sure that you need Starmie to Rapid Spin? 4 of 5 Pokes are immune to Toxic Spikes, with the other one having Guts. Among those 5 Pokes, you have 1 SR weak, 2 resisting, 1 unaffected, and 1 neutral. You also have 3 of 5 immune to Spikes. You seem to naturally do well against them IMO.

You can use that Starmie spot to have another abuser. I would like Gengar here. It can also block Rapid Spin in a pinch and provide a few mind games. It's still fast, though not as fast, but a Gengar behind a Substitute with some hazards on the field is going to be very annoying to take down so you should give it a try. I'd just go for the old Gen 4 favorite with Pain Split instead of Disable though.
 
Dori, I have been trying to replace Starmie, as I did realize Rapid Spin was rather useless. I'm honestly not sure what to put. I tried Azumarill, which was decent. I will test your Azumarill, but I'm also interested in trying a Whismicott. Feedback on what to replace Starmie with??
 
Hey man, this is a really cool team although sd Scizor is going to give you huge problems. I do not really see Starmie's use on this team as you have very few team members who care about spikes so I would try a taunt + WoW Jellicent over Starmie to check Scizor. A set with scald | taunt | will-o-wisp | recover 252 HP | 144 Def | 112 Spe bold nature with leftovers would work really well. Opposing Reuinclus are also a huge problem. Trick room variants hurt this team really badly and to beat the calm mind variants, you can only rely on your own Reuniclus. I would try running chople Tyranitar over Thundurus so that you can check Reuinclus effectively. Chople Tyranitar also gives you a good form of weather to not only fight off other weather teams, but also give Landorus a big boost to its attack stat. A set with crunch | pursuit | fire blast | stealth rock with maximum hp and special defense and a sassy nature would do really well. Another cool thing about Tyranitar is that it allows you to run a set of spikes | gyro ball | leech seed | power whip on your Ferrothorn, making it much more efficient. Finally, I would consider running a spread of 248 HP | 252 Def | 8 Spe on your Reuinclus. The extra speed combined with psychock will help you against other cm Reuniclus as you will always be faster.

Overall very solid team. Good Luck.
 
Wow AB2, thanks for the super rate. I loved all of your suggestions. Despite this team being Dual Genie, Thundurus has actually been rather ineffective, usually ending up dead before doing anything. That Tyranitar sounds nice and it would make better use of Ferrothorn. However, adding Tyranitar might turn this into a Pseudo-Sand Team. As for Jellicent over Starmie, definitely making that change.
 
Hey there typon, nice team. Although there are a couple of problems that you could fix to make this team a lot more effective. There are a couple of problems with this team in handling specially defensive Swords Dance Scizor (which is very common). Your best Pokemon to come in on an attack from Heatran is Starmie, which is a problem because your Starmie has no way of recovering back its HP without Recover and the Life Orb recoil weakens you even more (making your Starmie a much less efficient spinner). Latios is also another big problem for this team as your only Pokemon to stop a Draco Meteor is your Ferrothorn (who gets destroyed by Hidden Power Fire). Next, Reuniclus is another big problem to this team as a CM Reuniclus can easily set up on something like your Ferrothorn, you would have to rely on your own Reuniclus to win through a critical hit. And finally, one other big problem to the team I see is dealing with Sun teams that carry Venusaur and Volcarona (which almost all Sun teams have). Growth Venusaur is able to sweep your whole team with ease and Quiver Dance Volcarona is able to threaten you to sending in your Scarf Landorus on its attack or being able to set up on something like your Ferrothorn with Substitute and sweep.

Now, there's a big answer to all these problems and it would also make your team much more powerful. That is, adding a Choice Specs Politoed on your team. Specs Politoed will allow you to 2HKO opposing Reuniclus with Hydro Pump (after a CM). The rain is the biggest benefit here, being able to take off the Sun and scare away Ninetales from coming in on it as Ninetales is unable to take Choice Specs Hydro Pump (almost all Sun abusing team fails to take Specs Hydro Pump well in the rain too). The rain will also now allow you to use Thunder on your Leftovers Thundurus (which Thundurus really needs in order to OHKO a lot of Pokemon after a Nasty Plot, like Reuniclus, Terrakion, Conkeldurr, etc.) and abuse Hydro Pump on Starmie with Leftovers instead of relying on Life Orb. It will also allow you to use Thunder on Starmie instead of Thunderbolt. Not only that, the rain will decrease Fire-type moves by 50%, allowing your Ferrothorn be be able to stop Latios and make Heatran less threatening to the team.

The big question though is which Pokemon should be replaced for Politoed? Conkeldurr is there in your team to come in on Tyranitar, revenge kill Terrakion and Excadrill, which the team has problems against. While Reuniclus helps against Ferrothorn, Conkeldurr is able to handle it. After for the Fighting-type resistance that Reuniclus provides, you already have Landorus, Thundurus, and Starmie that all resist Fighting. So Reuniclus here seems to be the best option to replace for Politoed. Here's the Politoed set:
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Politoed @ Choice Specs -- Drizzle
Nature: Modest - EVs: 240 HP / 252 SAtk / 16 Spd
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Focus Blast

And here's the new Starmie set you should use. With the boost from the rain, you can afford to use Leftovers. You will need Recover over Ice Beam to be an efficient spinner and not lose Starmie to a stall team that can slowly cripple Starmie away. Here's the Starmie set:
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Starmie @ Leftovers -- Natural Cure
Nature: Timid - EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

Hope this helped. Good luck!
 
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