The Threatening 6

Hey! What’s up smogon? This is Dwayne posting a team which may or may not have been seen before. I made this team about a week ago and been testing it since. It does pretty well but it does have a few tweaks and I need all your help to make this team a success. So without further ado let’s get straight into the team

THE THREATENING 6:

I’m not going to post a team building process cause it really isn’t that necessary and I didn’t really have a process in mind when I built this team.

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Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers

Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
• Power Whip
• Gyro Ball
• Stealth Rock
• Leech Seed

I don’t really believe in leads but if a team usually doesn’t have a rapid spinner lead or the ever irritating espeon and xatu I usually start with my ferrothorn.

This set doesn’t carry spikes cause almost all teams have a spinner in competitive battling. I run Power Whip and Gyro ball as attacking moves and I prefer leech seed over t-wave because people usually switch into a ground type when they see a ferrothorn after it uses stealth rocks.

SR is pretty obvious.

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Keldeo @ Leftovers

Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
• Secret Sword
• Surf
• Calm Mind
• Hidden Power [Ghost]

This is a set i’ve seen on many teams (although some/actually many carry substitute as well) and keldeo becomes a pretty big threat after it sets up a calm mind. I use timid over modest to outspeed victini and other threats.

The basic idea is to switch keldeo into a weak fire/steel type forcing a switch and getting a calm mind up. After a single calm mind keldeo can start off a mini – sweep.

Hidden Power ghost allows me to hit Celebi harder after a CM boost which would otherwise OHKO a keldeo.

Surf is used over Scald for the extra power in sweeping

Secret Sword as a STAB move.

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Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band

Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spd
Timid Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
• Stone Edge
• Crunch
• Pursuit
• Superpower

Props to Jirachi(not the poke) for this set. Choice Band Tyranitar has been a wonderful addition to my team.

Terrakion can take advantage of the opponent's Leftovers being negated and get the Special Defense boost, allowing it to come in much easier on more powerful Special Attackers.

Tyranitar is perhaps the best Pokemon in OU to take care of Lati twins as it can switch in most of their attacks and then Pursuit them for the OHKO (Latios is OHKOed regardless if it switches out or not, which shows the mighty power of this Tyranitar.)

Tyranitar ensures that other weathers don't nerf your Pokemon which is a nice advantage to consider too, considering that it helps a lot against Hurricane spammers such as Tornadus-T which otherwise becomes a big threat to this team with only terrakion as a revenge killer.

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Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb

Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP / 184 Def / 76 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
• Toxic
• Earthquake
• Protect
• Substitute

After a reconsideration of my EV spread on Gliscor i used the set given by Jirachi and replaced Ice fang with Toxic.

This set is pretty much used to stall pokemon out and threaten pokemons like heatran and the ever irritating specially defencive Jirachi.

Toxic + Protect helps me get up more damage on pokes that Gliscor cant hit lightly.

This poke acts a great counter to the ever dangerous terrakion.

Protect also helps in regaining HP with toxic orb + Poison Heal and to scout the opponents moves and make switches accordingly. Behind a sub gliscor becomes all the more dangerous. Impish is preferred over adamant just so i can stall out Terrakion and other physical attackers a bit longer.

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Terrakion @ Choice Scarf

Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
• Close Combat
• Stone Edge
• X-Scissor
• Earthquake

Ahh Terrakion! One of the best gifts gen 5 has to offer.

With a unique rock/fighting typing great speed and attack terrakion is a threat to most teams and even dents teams which are prepared for this Bull.

This is the standard choice scarf set with the last slot taken by Earthquake just because there is simply nothing else to give. Jolly is definitely preferred over adamant just to outspeed +1 quiver dance volcarona and ko it with stone edge.

Stab CC dents big holes on any poke not resisting it. A great late game sweeper in my opinion.

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Latios (M) @ Choice Specs

Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
• Draco Meteor
• Surf
• Psyshock
• Trick

Choice Specs Latios is not that often seen.

This set isn’t there for all out offence but to dent holes big holes in teams.

Draco and Surf were obvious moves.

Psyshock was chosen over psychic just because I like psyshock :p

I couldn’t decide between Dragon pulse/HP fire and energy ball for the last slot so I just picked HP fire to hit steel types a bit harder but locking yourself into HP fire is not the best thing to do so i switched to trick to cripple pokes like Ferrothorn who Latios cant hit very hard even after Choice Specs Boost

Jolly is preferred over modest because I really don’t want this thing OHKO’ed because of a lack of speed.

That is basically the team. Please give your suggestions I will take all of them into consideration. PS if you give a suggestion of adding another pokemon over the team please tell me whom to replace it with so I can test it out and give my feedback.

Cheers!

ONCE I GET ENOUGH SUGGESTIONS I WILL KEEP EDITING THE THREAD ACCORDINGLY SO YOU CAN USE THE TEAM IF YOU LIKE.
 
Hey there,

I'd suggest tweaking the rmt a bit. It seems like spd is both speed and special defense which is a bit confusing.

glitch in the writing aside,this team looks very heavy on offense. I also see flying types are a significant problem with this team. Both tornadus forms would only fear a revenge kill from terrakion but that's it. Something will keep dying against them and ultimately lose the battle. Also volcarona can't function on this team as well as it wants to. Without a spinner. It will be limited to one sweep attempt most of the time.

I have to say this team needs to pick between keldeo or terrakion. In my experience they are not the worst together, but the weakness to flying will add up and let you down at some point. This team doesn't need keldeo so I would suggest starmie in it's place. This will give you a better coverage and can spin giving volcarona a better lifespan.
 
Hey there,

I'd suggest tweaking the rmt a bit. It seems like spd is both speed and special defense which is a bit confusing.

glitch in the writing aside,this team looks very heavy on offense. I also see flying types are a significant problem with this team. Both tornadus forms would only fear a revenge kill from terrakion but that's it. Something will keep dying against them and ultimately lose the battle. Also volcarona can't function on this team as well as it wants to. Without a spinner. It will be limited to one sweep attempt most of the time.

I have to say this team needs to pick between keldeo or terrakion. In my experience they are not the worst together, but the weakness to flying will add up and let you down at some point. This team doesn't need keldeo so I would suggest starmie in it's place. This will give you a better coverage and can spin giving volcarona a better lifespan.

Thanks for pointing out the error. Got that fixed. I agree with the weakness to flying types and the volcarona problem and that is why i sometimes lead with volcarona as long as the opponent dosent lead with heatran. As for the Starmie suggestion i will definately try that out but im not that keen on letting keldeo go because he usually sweeps the teams which my usual sweepers cannot do. Btw please tell me if i should use the standard or defencive rapid spin set on Starmie

Cheers!
 
Hi

I think that Volcarona isn't doing any favour to your team in its current state. Even if you use Starmie, it won't have very great payoff. Volcarona is really a fearsome sweeper, however, it needs a great quantity of support in order to be that mighty, at least with the set you're using currently. While you might include Rapid Spin support, keep in mind that a lot of Pokemon on your team are very easy to set up Stealth Rock and Spikes on, because they are choiced, especially Latios, and Terrakion to an extent considering it's the weaker Choice Scarf variant. Gliscor will also give your opponent a ton of opportunities to set up Stealth Rock. All that combined to the fact that when a competent opponent sees Volcarona on a team, they try to prioritize Stealth Rock as an ever present condition to prevent Volcarona from setting up. Furthermore, Volcarona needs something to remove premanent Rain from Drizzle Politoed from the field, and that would be auto weather preferably in the form of Drought, but with the possibility of Sand Stream, either way, you don't carry them, which means that very often the opponent will carry Drizzle Politoed which will mean that Volcarona's Fire STAB which makes it so dangerous will see its power halved, effectively reducing a lot the possibility of Volcarona sweeping. Leading with Volcarona to prevent Stealth Rock etc. from affecting it is generally a bad idea considering there's a lot of Pokemon Volcarona cannot set up on, such as Politoed or Tyranitar which lead often, while also having some of its most popular stops, like Heatran, Dragonite and Choice Scarf Terrakion that can stop its sweep very quickly forcing you to call Volcarona back, effectively losing a lot of momentum. Quite honestly I think that you already have a wonderful sweeper in Keldeo, it can set up a Calm Mind or two and then proceed to wreck the opposition with its excellent STABs. However, you'll need something that can remove its best checks, Ghost types and Latios/Latias, in order to achieve an easier late game sweep with it. I think that using Choice Band Tyranitar over Volcarona would make your team much more effective. First of all, your team doesn't really mind Sandstorm, it actually loves it, especially Terrakion who can take advantage of the opponent's Leftovers being negated and get the Special Defense boost, allowing it to come in much easier on more powerful Special Attackers. Secondly, Tyranitar is perhaps the best Pokemon in OU to take care of Lati twins as it can switch in most of their attacks and then Pursuit them for the OHKO (Latios is OHKOed regardless if it switches out or not, which shows the mighty power of this Tyranitar.) Tyranitar ensures that other weathers don't nerf your Pokemon which is a nice advantage to consider too, considering that it helps a lot against Hurricane spammers such as Tornadus-T. Dropping Volcarona makes in a win/win situation, as I explained earlier, it actually hurts your team a lot, putting a lot of pressure on your other Pokemon to remove Stealth Rock and the likes.

While Hidden Power Electric might seem like a good choice for Keldeo, there's actually a better type for it to earn better coverage. Hidden Power Ghost still hits Keldeo's arch-nemesis, Jellicent, for super effective damage, while also hitting Celebi very hard, something that Electric does not. While you do miss on Gyarados, it is weak to Stealth Rock, which means that if you can keep it in play, you'll have much less issues with it and it takes a ton of damage from boosted Water moves anyway. The only move it gets that hits Keldeo really hard is Bounce and it's easy to play around it. Speaking of your Water move, Scald is generally a bad choice for Keldeo as it is less powerful than Surf, and as a late game sweeper Keldeo needs all the power it gets to deliver the final blows in your opponent's team and it really doesn't need Scald's burn chance in order to do that.

In order to be more efficient at what it does, Ferrothorn needs a bit of HP investment. Ferrothorn's defenses are actually very high naturally and investing in HP will make it bulkier than if you invest in Defense, without splitting your EVs making its spread much more efficient. Ferrothorn doesn't need Attack EVs to function as its primary goal is to set up hazards and ensure you have a good answer to ridiculously powerful Dragon and Water typed attacks, both of which are helped much better by using defensive EVs considering Ferrothorn has terrible Speed. Using a spread of 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD Relaxed gives Ferrothorn all the bulk it needs to tank attacks and set up Stealth Rock, while it will still be able to hit hard with Gyro Ball and Power Whip, considering they are naturally high powered STAB moves. A Relaxed nature with 0 Speed IVs ensures Gyro Ball hits as hard as possible, while also making sure you move after any Forretress, meaning that if they Rapid Spin your Stealth Rock away, you can set them up right after while they are taking damage from Iron Barbs.

In the same way as Ferrothorn, Gliscor doesn't need all that Attack investment. You state that you use it as your counter to Terrakion, but with your current spread, it takes an absolute ton of damage from Terrakion's Stone Edge, so much that you will be 2HKOed even without Stealth Rock and with Poison Heal activated. Furthermore, Gliscor doesn't really need Ice Fang with your current set. Toxic is a much better choice, espcially with Tyranitar's Sandstorm, as it allows Gliscor to stall out a ton of Pokemon by repeatedly using Substitute and Protect. Remember that even with Attack investment, Gliscor has very little chance to sweep a team while its main purpose is to tank physical attacks, and for this, Defensive EVs are much more appropriate. Using 184 Defense with an Impish nature makes Gliscor much bulkier, and you can dump the rest (76) in Speed to outspeed stuff like 32 Speed Jirachi. You should also use 248 HP EVs instead of 252 since it makes Poison Heal healing much more efficient.

Lastly I'd recommend using Trick on Latios over Hidden Power Fire. Surf already hits most of its common switch ins very hard, and achieves nice 2HKOes such as Scizor etc.. The only thing that it doesn't beat that Hidden Power Fire beats is Ferrothorn, which is a nice thing to eliminate, but remember that Trick also screws it up royally. Mispredicting with Trick doesn't hurt as much as Hidden Power Fire as then, you won't be locked into an incredibly weak move. Trick also helps Latios a lot against Chansey since Psyshock doesn't beat it, it actually does quite pathetic damage. Removing its Eviolite at the same time as giving it a Choice item really makes Chansey a terrible Pokemon.

That's it for my rate, here's the set you should use:
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Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Sand Stream
Adamant
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spe
~Stone Edge
~Crunch
~Pursuit
~Superpower

Good luck!
 
Hi

I think that Volcarona isn't doing any favour to your team in its current state. Even if you use Starmie, it won't have very great payoff. Volcarona is really a fearsome sweeper, however, it needs a great quantity of support in order to be that mighty, at least with the set you're using currently. While you might include Rapid Spin support, keep in mind that a lot of Pokemon on your team are very easy to set up Stealth Rock and Spikes on, because they are choiced, especially Latios, and Terrakion to an extent considering it's the weaker Choice Scarf variant. Gliscor will also give your opponent a ton of opportunities to set up Stealth Rock. All that combined to the fact that when a competent opponent sees Volcarona on a team, they try to prioritize Stealth Rock as an ever present condition to prevent Volcarona from setting up. Furthermore, Volcarona needs something to remove premanent Rain from Drizzle Politoed from the field, and that would be auto weather preferably in the form of Drought, but with the possibility of Sand Stream, either way, you don't carry them, which means that very often the opponent will carry Drizzle Politoed which will mean that Volcarona's Fire STAB which makes it so dangerous will see its power halved, effectively reducing a lot the possibility of Volcarona sweeping. Leading with Volcarona to prevent Stealth Rock etc. from affecting it is generally a bad idea considering there's a lot of Pokemon Volcarona cannot set up on, such as Politoed or Tyranitar which lead often, while also having some of its most popular stops, like Heatran, Dragonite and Choice Scarf Terrakion that can stop its sweep very quickly forcing you to call Volcarona back, effectively losing a lot of momentum. Quite honestly I think that you already have a wonderful sweeper in Keldeo, it can set up a Calm Mind or two and then proceed to wreck the opposition with its excellent STABs. However, you'll need something that can remove its best checks, Ghost types and Latios/Latias, in order to achieve an easier late game sweep with it. I think that using Choice Band Tyranitar over Volcarona would make your team much more effective. First of all, your team doesn't really mind Sandstorm, it actually loves it, especially Terrakion who can take advantage of the opponent's Leftovers being negated and get the Special Defense boost, allowing it to come in much easier on more powerful Special Attackers. Secondly, Tyranitar is perhaps the best Pokemon in OU to take care of Lati twins as it can switch in most of their attacks and then Pursuit them for the OHKO (Latios is OHKOed regardless if it switches out or not, which shows the mighty power of this Tyranitar.) Tyranitar ensures that other weathers don't nerf your Pokemon which is a nice advantage to consider too, considering that it helps a lot against Hurricane spammers such as Tornadus-T. Dropping Volcarona makes in a win/win situation, as I explained earlier, it actually hurts your team a lot, putting a lot of pressure on your other Pokemon to remove Stealth Rock and the likes.

While Hidden Power Electric might seem like a good choice for Keldeo, there's actually a better type for it to earn better coverage. Hidden Power Ghost still hits Keldeo's arch-nemesis, Jellicent, for super effective damage, while also hitting Celebi very hard, something that Electric does not. While you do miss on Gyarados, it is weak to Stealth Rock, which means that if you can keep it in play, you'll have much less issues with it and it takes a ton of damage from boosted Water moves anyway. The only move it gets that hits Keldeo really hard is Bounce and it's easy to play around it. Speaking of your Water move, Scald is generally a bad choice for Keldeo as it is less powerful than Surf, and as a late game sweeper Keldeo needs all the power it gets to deliver the final blows in your opponent's team and it really doesn't need Scald's burn chance in order to do that.

In order to be more efficient at what it does, Ferrothorn needs a bit of HP investment. Ferrothorn's defenses are actually very high naturally and investing in HP will make it bulkier than if you invest in Defense, without splitting your EVs making its spread much more efficient. Ferrothorn doesn't need Attack EVs to function as its primary goal is to set up hazards and ensure you have a good answer to ridiculously powerful Dragon and Water typed attacks, both of which are helped much better by using defensive EVs considering Ferrothorn has terrible Speed. Using a spread of 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD Relaxed gives Ferrothorn all the bulk it needs to tank attacks and set up Stealth Rock, while it will still be able to hit hard with Gyro Ball and Power Whip, considering they are naturally high powered STAB moves. A Relaxed nature with 0 Speed IVs ensures Gyro Ball hits as hard as possible, while also making sure you move after any Forretress, meaning that if they Rapid Spin your Stealth Rock away, you can set them up right after while they are taking damage from Iron Barbs.

In the same way as Ferrothorn, Gliscor doesn't need all that Attack investment. You state that you use it as your counter to Terrakion, but with your current spread, it takes an absolute ton of damage from Terrakion's Stone Edge, so much that you will be 2HKOed even without Stealth Rock and with Poison Heal activated. Furthermore, Gliscor doesn't really need Ice Fang with your current set. Toxic is a much better choice, espcially with Tyranitar's Sandstorm, as it allows Gliscor to stall out a ton of Pokemon by repeatedly using Substitute and Protect. Remember that even with Attack investment, Gliscor has very little chance to sweep a team while its main purpose is to tank physical attacks, and for this, Defensive EVs are much more appropriate. Using 184 Defense with an Impish nature makes Gliscor much bulkier, and you can dump the rest (76) in Speed to outspeed stuff like 32 Speed Jirachi. You should also use 248 HP EVs instead of 252 since it makes Poison Heal healing much more efficient.

Lastly I'd recommend using Trick on Latios over Hidden Power Fire. Surf already hits most of its common switch ins very hard, and achieves nice 2HKOes such as Scizor etc.. The only thing that it doesn't beat that Hidden Power Fire beats is Ferrothorn, which is a nice thing to eliminate, but remember that Trick also screws it up royally. Mispredicting with Trick doesn't hurt as much as Hidden Power Fire as then, you won't be locked into an incredibly weak move. Trick also helps Latios a lot against Chansey since Psyshock doesn't beat it, it actually does quite pathetic damage. Removing its Eviolite at the same time as giving it a Choice item really makes Chansey a terrible Pokemon.

That's it for my rate, here's the set you should use:
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Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Sand Stream
Adamant
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spe
~Stone Edge
~Crunch
~Pursuit
~Superpower

Good luck!

Thanks for the excellent rate Jirachi. Ive been testing out your suggestions and they have been really working out for this team. Especially the choice banded tyranitar. The team really needed that.

Cheers!
 
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