Toxic Spikes and Aggron in action! [OU RMT]

After a small hiatus I came back to Smogon with the fever to play some Pokemon. I really wanted to make a new OU team, especially with the metagame shifts caused by HG and SS. After reading a few threads about the viability of Toxic Spikes in OU as well as the advent of Head Smash Aggron, I decided to create a team that can take advantage of both of these things.

Team at a Glance
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The Lead
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iCheer (Roserade) (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Sleep Powder
- Toxic Spikes
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]
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When you think of offensive ways to lay down the Toxic Spikes, think no further than Roserade. Roserade is a very solid and proven lead in since its move up to OU and needs no introduction. Sleep Powder despite its somewhat shaky (and always frustrating) accuracy is vital to the teams success. A successful sleep always leads to at least one layer of Toxic Spikes, and with Sash, if needed I can force down 2. I opt for Leaf Storm over Grass Knot for the extra power and the ability to hit Vaporeon harder. Hidden Power Fire comes in handy when the greedy Scizor switches in. Against common leads like Taunt Leads like Azelf, its often correct to simply go for the leaf storm and break the Sash as they almost always waste a turn Taunting. Against Crobat you can often go straight to Aggron and either take the Taunt, or the Brave Bird with little problem. Against Metagross its always a 50/50 on weather they have Occa Berry, or Lum, and can lead to some problems. Overall I am satisfied with Roserade, but its hard to get any momentum if Sleep Powder misses.

Smash and Dash
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iSmash (Aggron) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Head Smash
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
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With the Advent of HG/SS Aggron gets the much needed Head Smash. Head Smash packs the biggest wallop when unresisted including 2HKOing the ever present Skarmory, who often tried switching in to absorb the hit. If you can manage a free switch in, and get a rock polish in, you are in for a world of hurt. I opted for Stealth Rock here as I couldn't find a good slot for it anyone else, but often times I don't have time to set it up or would simply rather Rock Polish up. Despite the initial experiment to use Aggron I'm not to sure about it. I wonder if there is another Pokemon that I could use in this slot, potentially that could set up Stealth Rock more easily, while still being a threat.

The Right Choice
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iUber (Latias) (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
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Since Latias's move down to OU it has become a premiere check to the most common Dragon Dancers in Gyarados and Salamence. In addition it gives me a great revenge killer for many pokemon that can quickly get out of hand. With Roserade leaving down Toxic Spikes, the catch all special wall Blissey has a much harder time simply switching in and taking repeated blows especially with the option to Trick the scarf. Latias's biggest problem is Scizor trapping it, especially on a Draco Meteor as there is little to no way to prevent it. I think something to help take out the Tyranitar and Scizors of the world would prove useful.

Tried and True
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iPunch (Scizor) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
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There is a large reason Scizor is the #1 most used Pokemon in OU, it just works. Scizor comes in and traps so many pokemon with Pursuit, scouts with U-turn to get a better feel for what I'm up against, and can revenge and devastate with what is essentially a 90 BP priority attack. Scizor's resistances are invaluable to this as well as its ability to hamper Blissey to stop my special attackers. Additionally, Salamence and Latias's ability to come in on Fire type attacks is a huge plus and compliment the steel bug very well.

Wall Breaker and Check
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iDragoon (Salamence) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 84 Atk/212 Spd/212 SAtk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Outrage
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Salamence is one of OU's Premier wall breakers. With the ability to hit hard with STAB from both sides of the spectrum Salamence makes switching into it a hard task. In addition it provides one of my few checks to Scizor, though that can be somewhat hampered by Stealth Rock. If players try to use Choiced Latias assuming I will Dragon Dance, they are often met with a STAB Draco Meteor. In addition its typing makes it a nice compliment to Scizor as it can come in on any Heatran threatening it and Scizor can come in and take a STAB Dragon attack for it.

Resistances? Not so Futile

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iPenguin (Empoleon) (M) @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 12 HP/12 Def/232 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Agility
- Substitute
- Surf
- Ice Beam
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SubPetayaAgiliEmpoleon, one of my favorite sweepers. This is usually my last pokemon revealed, and with good reason. Once its checks are dealt with (usually Blissey) it can literally tear through a team single handedly (I've surprised my self and come back from 5-2 or 4-1 to win with this puppy. With the second most resistances of any fully evolved pokemon, the chances it can come in on a resisted attack, Agility up and Sweep are quite high. Toxic Spikes from Roserade compliment Empoleon nicely, hampering almost all its counters. Additionally, Empoleon resists almost all priority moves, save Vacuum Wave and Mach Punch, neither of which are seen much outside of Breloom and Infernape, both of which are OHKOed by Empoleon.

I may try to make a threats list, but as I've just recently come back I'm having a hard time finding my weak points. I know Machamp can cause me fits if left unchecked, as can SubPunching Breloom. Fighting pokemon as you can see, cause me fits as my only good switch in is often Salamence, who is hampered by Stealth Rock.
 
Another option that helps with fighting types, as well as hurting stall, is Gliscor. Gliscor with taunt easily stops Pokemon from setting up, and healing. Although Gliscor can't hurt stall very much directly, it prevents them from getting up Spikes and other hazards. Gliscor also fixes your fighting weakness, because currently, Salamence is a shaky check to Lucario and Machamp. Lucario and Machamp easily set up on Lucario locked in Draco Meteor, and in Machamp's case, Roserade that already has put something to sleep. So I'd just try the standard Taunt Gliscor with Toxic, Taunt, Roost, and Earthquake. Anyway, I feel there's a much better option for Aggron in that slot. Tyranitar gets sandstorm up for Gliscor, as well as SR if you feel you really need it. You could run the standard DDer, with SR in the last slot. Aggron doesn't even have a gaurenteed OHKO on Lucario after something like Gyarados intimidates it, but Tyranitar hits a lot harder. I'd run DD, Crunch, Stone Edge, and Stealth Rock. Finally, I'd like to suggest a Pokemon to replace Latias. Latias is easy set up bait for multiple things, including Scizor and Tyranitar. You already have Scizor to revenge kill Salamence, so a much better option for Latias would be a Choice Scarf Rotom. Rotom isn't as easy to be pursuited as Latias, due to access to moves like Hydro Pump, depending on the form. Rotom also acts as a spin-blocker, something you lack. Rotom provides a reliable Gyarados check, outspeeding any variant after a DD. Anyway, I hope this big wall of text helps, and good luck with the team!
 
Hello.

Your team is horribly weak to Weavile, which has been seeing a rise in usage lately. Only Scizor wins. Ice Shard OHKOs Latias if Weavile's at +2, and 2HKOs if Weavile isn't at +2. After a single Low Kick, Empoleon will be incapable of setting up a sub, allowing it to be defeated by anything. Scizor beats Weavile, but almost every team carries a Scizor counter these days. If Scizor's down, Weavile can sweep through your whole team. To remedy this, I'm going to suggest replacing your lead with a Metagross
Metagross @ Lum/Shuca Berry
Adamant
252 HP/ 236 Atk/ 12 Def/ 8 Spe
Iron Head/Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Bullet Punch
Explosion

Metagross allows you to defeat Weavile. You'll have a slight ground weakness, but as you have 2 immunities, you should be fine. Bullet Punch has a chance of OHKOing, while Iron Head/Meteor Mash always does. Rocks are unnecessary, as Aggron carries them.
 
The slot I'm primarily looking to replace is Aggron as while he's been ok, isn't as good in that slot as I'd like. I've thought about Rotom in Latias's Spot, and I'll definitely consider it. Glisor is an interesting choice, and I may try that too but who would he replace?
 
Hey I have a cool idea for you to maximize your offensive potential with those Toxic Spikes. Latias can be a potent sweeper with Toxic Spikes in play and I see you limiting it to a Scarf isn't giving you the pop you need. For that reason, I think you should replace Aggron with Jirachi and make that your Scarf user. Jirachi is one of the best revenge killers out there. It is better than Latias because it isn't Pursuit weak. You'll get a lot more out of it.

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Fire Punch
- Iron Head
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Punch

I think it would be worthwhile to make Latias an LO sweeper. This will make you less Machamp and Breloom weak because you'll have stronger attacks and recovery at your disposal, instead of just type resistance. I would go with Grass Knot and Hidden Power Fire as your moves to compliment Dragon Pulse because they are not forgiving against two major switch-ins (Tyranitar and Scizor).

Latias @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power Fire
- Recover

Just one last thing. If you find that Stealth Rock takes too much of a toll on Salamence, you can always give the classic mix set a shot. Roost comes in handy for teams that don't have much of a defense against it and just try to bait it in until Stealth Rock does its thing. Other than that this looks like a good team. With my suggestions, it appears that you resist every type twice, which is always nice to aim for. Good luck with the team and my suggestions.
 
Hey I have a cool idea for you to maximize your offensive potential with those Toxic Spikes. Latias can be a potent sweeper with Toxic Spikes in play and I see you limiting it to a Scarf isn't giving you the pop you need. For that reason, I think you should replace Aggron with Jirachi and make that your Scarf user. Jirachi is one of the best revenge killers out there. It is better than Latias because it isn't Pursuit weak. You'll get a lot more out of it.

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Fire Punch
- Iron Head
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Punch

I think it would be worthwhile to make Latias an LO sweeper. This will make you less Machamp and Breloom weak because you'll have stronger attacks and recovery at your disposal, instead of just type resistance. I would go with Grass Knot and Hidden Power Fire as your moves to compliment Dragon Pulse because they are not forgiving against two major switch-ins (Tyranitar and Scizor).

Latias @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power Fire
- Recover

Just one last thing. If you find that Stealth Rock takes too much of a toll on Salamence, you can always give the classic mix set a shot. Roost comes in handy for teams that don't have much of a defense against it and just try to bait it in until Stealth Rock does its thing. Other than that this looks like a good team. With my suggestions, it appears that you resist every type twice, which is always nice to aim for. Good luck with the team and my suggestions.

I actually really like this suggestion, but I am wondering, do you think there is anywhere to try to slip Stealth Rock in there, or should I just focus on the Toxic Spikes setting up a special attacker sweep, Also with this I have a bit of a hard time switching in on Heatran with only Salamence and to a lesser extent Empoleon being able to come in reliably, though Empoleon is slower. Also Magnizone is still a bit of a pain.
 
Jirachi would have to keep that set if you are to use it as a revenge killer because you'll want a weapon to hit everything. Magnezone has the potential of being a pain, but it's not a concrete problem because you have Scizor to scout and Salamence to cause switches. Stealth Rock is important -- I think it should be in there. What if you used Swampert over Empoleon? That would give you an extra weapon to use against Salamence, Gyarados, and Heatran. I would use this set:

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP/252 Def/8 Spd/10 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Roar

In order to make the Toxic Spikes more useful, you could use CM HP Fire Latias. I didn't suggest it originally because Empoleon was currently the end game sweeper. But now that you'll have Stealth Rock, Latias can fill the role of cleaning up. You have a great team for forcing switches and handling Tyranitar and Scizor. It would be an ideal role for Latias. Let me know what you think.
 
This is in fact an empoleon sweep team, and hasn't really got much to do with aggron... I have seen aggron work, but those were choice banded sets, as head smash hits stupendously hard then.

I have used a team based around empoleon sweeping. There are 3 problems with that.

The first one is blissey. The phat slut will be hard to take down, while she breaks ur subs with seismic toss. You have toxic spikes for that, but if she has aroma therapy (which a lot of them do) you're still screwed. Do not take out roserade though, as toxic spikes are still vital to your sweep.
The second one is vaporeon. Same story as blissey, but a little easier to take down with the help of toxic spikes. If it has HP(E) though, you're screwed again. Again, roserade is important to KO this aquatic puppy.
And the third one is any water type user of rest, most prominently suicune. He will laugh at all of your attacks, and rest of the spikes untill he outstalls you.

Sadly, there aren't very reliable checks to these pokes. Off course they have counters and such, but usually when using a team such as yours, you will be 1 or 2 pokemon behind, trying to set up your emp sweep. This means that you can't switch around freely, and your opponent can, making sure their emp counter stays alive. The only real hope is that you can keep your strategy a secret till the very last moment, when you have sufficiently weakened all threats to emp enough for him to kill everything. I found this a very amusing strategy, but at higher levels of play a very hard one to accomplish.
I for one never let my emp counter faint after seeing a roserade lead.

I like the suggestion of jirachi and making latias a sweeper. But I would design latias not as a LO sweeper, as she will not be able to take out blissey. I would blast calm mind on her, and maybe refresh. It makes for a solid sweeper, can still revenge kill salamence, kill blissey 1 v 1 and vappy as well. Only suicune gives u problems then, but if latias is your main suicune counter, you're in bigger trouble then you think.

Have fun.
 
I really like this team, especially the nicknames (xD) but it does have some holes and some issue with Fighting Pokemon, Dark-type trappers, and so forth.

First up I commend your using Aggron, but you have to realize how difficult to use he is in OU; he's probably more comfortable in the next tier down, even with the addition of Head Smash. D: That said, if you decide to keep him, I suggest two moves in the form of Thunder Wave and Substitute, either or both of which can replace Stealth Rock and possibly Rock Polish. Thunder Wave spreads useful Paralysis support and makes it easier for Aggron to get Sub up if you opt for both; while the Sub can offer a helpful buffer to Aggron's RP sweep.

If you want to switch Aggron out, wich I think I would advise, you ought to go for Forretress. Forry can lay down SR or spikes (or both if you feel like it) and spin away those Rocks that will hinder your Salamence's ability to switch in, which I think he'd appreciate. After spinning he can blow up on someone important or set down some more spikes. He'd also be good for dual screen support if you don't mind dropping his attacks.
Forretress @ Lefties (LightClay)
- SR
- Spin
- Gyro Ball / Earthquake (Reflect)
- Spikes / Explosion (Light Screen)
I suggest you try this bad boy out in place of Aggron and see how you do. Latias, Salamence, and Scizor ought to do a good enough job wearing down opposing teams for Emp to sweep. A screen Rotom might also be good here, since you don't want anyone spinning away your ToxSpikes or Rocks that mess with Emp's counters.

One more suggestion... Nicknames. xD
iUber -> iZip
iDragoon -> iDrag
iPenguin -> iSweep (why try to hide it? LOL) or iEmp

I think the i-(single syllable) names have a nicer ring to them, don't you? =D Like the naming, it's clever.
 
You really need the TSpikes and Roserade to beat bulky waters, as Latias and Salamence are sketchy against them with Draco Meteor. Perhaps more importantly, you're reliant on Scizor to beat Latias, but what happens if Latias has HP Fire? A Metagross can lure in bulky waters, setting up SR as they come in, and then ThunderPunch. Metagross can also comfortably beat Latias.

Use this set:
EVs: 240 HP / 80 Atk / 188 SpD
Adamant Nature (+Atk, - SpA)
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake
-ThunderPunch
-Stealth Rock

HP + SpD EVs render Gengar incapable of 2HKOing Metagross with Focus Blast, and helps take hits from Starmie, Latias etc. The Attack EVs enable a OHKO on Gyarados with ThunderPunch, and a OHKO on Gengar with Meteor Mash.
 
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