I've been trying to put together a team that doesn't involve shadow tag shandy or is sandstorm based and am getting mixed results from it. I think I lack the pure offensive force to clear stuff with anything but volcarona and magnezone so I'm considering just giving in and making a more generic setup. If you think this is salvagable at all please help me out.
(Froslass) (F) @ Focus Sash Trait: Cursed Body/Snow Cloak (depends on DW or not, will definitely use Cursed when it comes out)
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Ice Beam
- Destiny Bond
Generic froslass opener. It's fun to use but I feel outclassed by kinds of leads with the sole exception of destiny bond, which is pretty much countered by there being a ttar or hippowdon on the field (unless i just blind destiny bond the first turn and get no spikes), and isn't as fast as a lot of other things now. General goal is to get at least 1 layer of spikes, take someone with me, block passing/setups/spinning.
(Magnezone) @ Leftovers Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 40 HP / 252 SAtk / 216 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Flash Cannon
Traps steep types and kills them with hp fire, gets to set up subs less threatening things to potentially start sweeps with. I prefer flash cannon over charge beam personally. Checks pokemon like Ferrothorn easily.
(Volcarona) (F) @ Life Orb Trait: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Fiery Dance
- Hidden Power [Rock]
Boring standard sweep set on it, get it out and get a quiver dance, pray it doesn't die and start hitting stuff really hard.
(Gliscor) (F) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Fling
- Earthquake
- Acrobatics
- Taunt
Checks a bunch of meta stuff like Conkeldurr and Excadrill, works as an acceptable staller, can ko surprises with strong stabs.
(Hitmontop) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rapid Spin
- Hi Jump Kick
- Sucker Punch
- Toxic
Rapid spin support so Volcarona can get in without being raped by SR, can suicide with suckerpunch to get annoying stuff out of the way.
(Gastrodon) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 212 HP / 44 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Recover
I figured my gliscor and hitmontop were capable of walling a bunch of more physical orientated stuff so i dedicated my gastrodon to dealing with sp stuff, and toxic stalling them out as well as potentially getting a chance to kill things with Earth Power and Ice Beam
My team isn't honestly beefy enough to deal with most average threats in the meta right now. I'm seriously loathe to use blissey however, and Volcarona NEEDS spin support. Starmie functions more as a sweeper than an effective staller compared to Gastrodon though, and I wanted Gastrodon specifically for Storm Veil tanking water hits for my Gliscor and Volcarona.
I also lack any good offensive powerhouses outside of volcarona and magnezone, as prior mentioned so I sweeping first is more difficult. The team functions o.k vs less "competitive" kind of things but if I want to get more serious I think I need to rework it a lot.
Thanks.
EDIT: Been messing around, have dropped Gastrodon, Froslass, Volcarona and Hitmontop for Vaporeon, Forretress, Latios and Weavile respectedly. This leaves me at the mercy of if they have a blissey/if im running psycho shock on latios or not but it feels better I think.
(Froslass) (F) @ Focus Sash Trait: Cursed Body/Snow Cloak (depends on DW or not, will definitely use Cursed when it comes out)
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Ice Beam
- Destiny Bond
Generic froslass opener. It's fun to use but I feel outclassed by kinds of leads with the sole exception of destiny bond, which is pretty much countered by there being a ttar or hippowdon on the field (unless i just blind destiny bond the first turn and get no spikes), and isn't as fast as a lot of other things now. General goal is to get at least 1 layer of spikes, take someone with me, block passing/setups/spinning.
(Magnezone) @ Leftovers Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 40 HP / 252 SAtk / 216 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Flash Cannon
Traps steep types and kills them with hp fire, gets to set up subs less threatening things to potentially start sweeps with. I prefer flash cannon over charge beam personally. Checks pokemon like Ferrothorn easily.
(Volcarona) (F) @ Life Orb Trait: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Fiery Dance
- Hidden Power [Rock]
Boring standard sweep set on it, get it out and get a quiver dance, pray it doesn't die and start hitting stuff really hard.
(Gliscor) (F) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Fling
- Earthquake
- Acrobatics
- Taunt
Checks a bunch of meta stuff like Conkeldurr and Excadrill, works as an acceptable staller, can ko surprises with strong stabs.
(Hitmontop) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rapid Spin
- Hi Jump Kick
- Sucker Punch
- Toxic
Rapid spin support so Volcarona can get in without being raped by SR, can suicide with suckerpunch to get annoying stuff out of the way.
(Gastrodon) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 212 HP / 44 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Recover
I figured my gliscor and hitmontop were capable of walling a bunch of more physical orientated stuff so i dedicated my gastrodon to dealing with sp stuff, and toxic stalling them out as well as potentially getting a chance to kill things with Earth Power and Ice Beam
My team isn't honestly beefy enough to deal with most average threats in the meta right now. I'm seriously loathe to use blissey however, and Volcarona NEEDS spin support. Starmie functions more as a sweeper than an effective staller compared to Gastrodon though, and I wanted Gastrodon specifically for Storm Veil tanking water hits for my Gliscor and Volcarona.
I also lack any good offensive powerhouses outside of volcarona and magnezone, as prior mentioned so I sweeping first is more difficult. The team functions o.k vs less "competitive" kind of things but if I want to get more serious I think I need to rework it a lot.
Thanks.
EDIT: Been messing around, have dropped Gastrodon, Froslass, Volcarona and Hitmontop for Vaporeon, Forretress, Latios and Weavile respectedly. This leaves me at the mercy of if they have a blissey/if im running psycho shock on latios or not but it feels better I think.
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Offensive Threats
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon142.png[/IMG] Aerodactyl - Typically suicide lead so froslass handles it o.k.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/567.png[/IMG] Archeops - Gliscor can tank it and Magnezone can oneshot it.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/9b/Ani482MS.png[/IMG] Azelf - Uhh, it's usually a lead, it's faster than froslass so usually I try to shadow ball/ice beam it on the first turn wasting the taunt, swapping to volcarona to try to eat the psychic and hoping I can get a free quiver dance into sweep.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/625.png[/IMG] Bisharp - Magnezone
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/257.png[/IMG]Blaziken - Gliscor and Gastrodon have options here.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/7e/Ani286MS.png[/IMG] Breloom - Froslass checks lead brelooms and Volcarona can kill it fairly easily I think.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/609.png[/IMG] Chandelure - Non shadow tag chandy dies to sucker punch on Hitmontop or gets stalled by Gastrodon.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/638.png[/IMG] Cobalion - Gliscor (maybe)
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/534.png[/IMG] Conkeldurr -Volcarona, Gliscor
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/555-normal.png[/IMG] Darmanitan - Gastrodon, Potentially a swap for Volcarona,
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/386-speed.png[/IMG]Deoxys-S - as a lead beats my froslass so swaps into setups for volcarona or magnezone, rapid spinning with hitmontop (pray it's using extremespeed)
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon149.png[/IMG] Dragonite - Pray gastrodon can tank it to get off the ice beam, attempt hidden power rock with Volcarona.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/621.png[/IMG] Druddigon - Why is this a common threat?
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/604.png[/IMG] Eelektross - This guy has too much coverage, main hope is getting volcarona in and trying to take it out or trying to stall it with gliscor.
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon466.png[/IMG] Electivire - Gliscor/Gastrodon can stall it
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/500.png[/IMG] Emboar - Gliscor/Gastrodon can stall it
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/37/Ani395MS.png[/IMG] Empoleon - Magnezone/Hitmontop/Gastrodon should be able to handle it.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/a7/196MS.png[/IMG]Espeon -Causes hell with magic mirror. Pray that volcarona can handle it.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/589.png[/IMG] Escavalier - Magnezone.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/530.png[/IMG] Excadrill - Magezone, Gliscor
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/445.png[/IMG]Garchomp - Gastrodon to 4x ice beam it or Gliscor to try to stall. Froslass suicide if she's still alive.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/649.png[/IMG]Genesect -People use this thing?
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/18/Ani094MS.png[/IMG] Gengar - Pray gastrodon can outlast it, sneak suckerpunch it with hitmontop.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/623.png[/IMG] Golurk - Same as above but gastrodon stands better chances.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d1/Ani130MS.png[/IMG] Gyarados - Magnezone or Volcanora hidden power rock
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/612.png[/IMG] Haxorus - Gastrodon and Gliscor should be able to stall it.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/03/Ani485MS.png[/IMG] Heatran - Gastrodon (does heatran learn grass moves?)
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon214.png[/IMG] Heracross - Volcanora.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/635.png[/IMG] Hydreigon - Gastrodon/Hitmontop/Froslass
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/74/Ani392MS.png[/IMG]Infernape -Gastrodon, Volcanora, Gliscor can all kind of handle it.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/77/Ani385MS.png[/IMG] Jirachi - uh, magnezone I guess
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/14/Ani135MS.png[/IMG] Jolteon - magnezone/gastrodon
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/647.png[/IMG] Keldeo - Pray gastrodon and gliscor intelligent swapping can stall it out.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d8/Ani230MS.png[/IMG] Kingdra - I have no real way to deal with it beyond suicide lassing, or trying to stall it with Gastro and hope it's not mixed.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/553.png[/IMG] Krookodile - Gastrodon/Gliscor
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/646.png[/IMG] Kyurem - Banned
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/645.png[/IMG] Landorus - Pray I can get an ice beam off with gastrodon or froslass somehow before it gets out of hand.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/381.png[/IMG]Latios - Pray I can get an ice beam off with gastrodon or froslass somehow before it gets out of hand. Potentially try to use Volcanora to abuse the bug weakness.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/549.png[/IMG] Lilligant - Uh, Gliscor.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b0/Ani448MS.png[/IMG] Lucario -Pray Gliscor can stall it, Volcanora possibly.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/cc/Ani068MS.png[/IMG] Machamp -Gliscor
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d8/Ani462MS.png[/IMG] Magnezone - Magnezone vs Magnezone with HP Fire or Hitmontop OR gastrodon.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/67/Ani473MS.png[/IMG] Mamoswine - Pray gastrodon or volcanora can kill it
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/648-step.png[/IMG]Meloetta-S -
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/648-voice.png[/IMG]Meloetta-V -
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/49/Ani376MS.png[/IMG] Metagross - Pray that volcanora can kill it
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/620.png[/IMG] Mienshao - Abuse froslass and gliscor
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/579.png[/IMG] Reuniclus - Suicide hitmontop suckerpunch bait, try to volcanora revenge it.
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon407.png[/IMG] Roserade - Volcanora or Magnezone
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/373.png[/IMG]Salamence -Pray for gastrodon or froslass to get that 4x ice off.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/586.png[/IMG] Sawsbuck -Who uses this thing?
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b4/Ani212MS.png[/IMG] Scizor - Magnezone or Gliscor.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/560.png[/IMG] Scrafty- Hitmontop, Volcanora
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/537.png[/IMG] Seismitoad - gastro should win this matchup
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/497.png[/IMG] Serperior - magnezone or gliscor or potentially froslass might be able to handle it.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/492-land.png[/IMG]Shaymin - i honestly don't know. lucky ice beams?
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/561.png[/IMG] Sigilyph - suicide suckertop, magnezone
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon235.png[/IMG] Smeargle - froslass outspeeds.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/19/Ani121MS.png[/IMG]Starmie -magnezone or volcanora (if read correctly)
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/639.png[/IMG] Terakion -gliscor/gastrodon combined might be able to stall it out.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/642.png[/IMG] Thundurus -gastrodon does o.k vs this
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon468.png[/IMG] Togekiss -magnezone if I get lucky (lol flinchkiss), gastrodon if i don't
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/641.png[/IMG] Tornadus -I don't really know anything about this guy
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/59/Ani248MS.png[/IMG] Tyranitar -Please kill it hitmontop/lucky volcanora. Gastrodon might handle mixed set, Gliscor can attempt to stall.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/df/003MS.png[/IMG]Venusaur - Gliscor should do o.k, magnezone should be able to follow.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/494.png[/IMG] Victini - Hope on gastro and volcanora
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/640.png[/IMG] Virizion - gliscor volcarona
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/637.png[/IMG] Volcarona - gastrodon
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/a0/Ani461MS.png[/IMG] Weavile - hitmontop/volcanora
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/571.png[/IMG] Zoroark - Anything, it sucks.
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Defensive Threats
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/594.png[/IMG] Alomomola - Magnezone or Gastrodon should be able to handle it.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b5/Ani242MS.png[/IMG] Blissey - Fingers crossed on hitmontop. Froslass can possibly taunt it.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0d/Ani437MS.png[/IMG] Bronzong - Hitmontop, Volcanora (requires a lot of luck)
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/4b/Ani251MS.png[/IMG] Celebi -Volcanora or Gliscor hopefully.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/113.png[/IMG]Chansey -Hitmontop or Froslass
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/386-defense.png[/IMG]Deoxys-D - Don't know. Volcarona?
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/563.png[/IMG] Cofagrigus - Gastrodon should be able to handle it, or Gliscor.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/558.png[/IMG] Crustle - Gets owned by gastrodon unless it's running solarbeam in the sun or something (wtf)
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/84/Ani356MS.png[/IMG]Dusclops - stall it out due to lack of recovery with gastrodon or gliscor.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/598.png[/IMG] Ferrothorn - Magnezone or volcanora.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/81/Ani205MS.png[/IMG] Forretress - Magnezone or volcanora
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/569.png[/IMG] Garbodor - Nobody uses it
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/526.png[/IMG] Gigalith - Magnezone or Gastrodon
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3f/Ani472MS.png[/IMG] Gliscor - Gastrodon
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/17/Ani450MS.png[/IMG] Hippowdon - Gliscor/Gastrodon
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/593.png[/IMG] Jellicent - Gastrodon and Gliscor combined should outlast it.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/380.png[/IMG]Latias - Pray for gastrodon or volcarona to get it before it gets out of hand.
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/630.png[/IMG] Mandibuzz - Magnezone or Gliscor+Gastro stall combo.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/71/198MS.png[/IMG]Murkrow - what?
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/10/038MS.png[/IMG]Ninetales - Gastrodon/Gliscor
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e9/186MS.png[/IMG]Politoed - Gastrodon/Magnezone
[IMG]http://www.pokestadium.com/pokemon/sprites/icons/233.gif[/IMG]Porygon2 - Suicide punchtop, volcanora
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5b/Ani479OMS.png[/IMG] Rotom-H -volcarona + gastrodon
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d6/Ani479WMS.png[/IMG]Rotom-W - Gastrodon owns this hardcore
[IMG]http://veekun.com/dex/media/icons/545.png[/IMG] Scolipede - nobody uses it
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/31/Ani227MS.png[/IMG] Skarmory - froslass, magnezone and gliscor should beat this.
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/12/Ani143MS.png[/IMG] Snorlax - I got nothing on this
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/cd/Ani245MS.png[/IMG] Suicune -Gastrodon + Gliscor + Magnezone should be able to get it out the way
[IMG]http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/78/Ani260MS.png[/IMG] Swampert - Gastrodon outlasts it
[IMG]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpicon/dpicon073.png[/IMG] Tentacruel - Gastrodon outlasts it, Magnezone
Vaporeon - Gastrodon should outlast it, can riskily attempt magnezone on obvious wish protect
Whimsicott - i got nothing, screw this thing, maybe volcarona
Xatu - magnezone
Zapdos - gastrodon