Gen 1 Venomoth (UU) [QC 2/2] [GP 2/2]

[Plague von Karma]

Double Powder go brrrrrrr​

[OVERVIEW]
Venomoth is the fastest viable user of Sleep Powder in RBY UU, which gives it solid use as a supporting teammate. Furthermore, it has Stun Spore, which lets it keep supporting the team after sleeping a foe and notably cripple Dugtrio. Venomoth compressing both moves saves teammates like Hypno and Haunter from using a moveslot on the less reliable Hypnosis. Its solid base 90 Speed lets it effectively pressure slower threats like Articuno and Dragonite, and it can freely switch in on Toxic to protect its Wrap-using teammates like Dragonite and then threaten the Toxic user with status.

However, that niche is largely the extent of its defensive capabilities thanks to its poor typing and middling stats, and the ubiquitous Tentacruel does this anyway while also providing the threat of Wrap. Worse still, Venomoth's typing gives it a weakness to Psychic and no STAB moves to speak of, which, alongside its middling Special, makes its damage output average at best without Special drops from Psychic; Mega Drain doesn't even 2HKO Golem reliably. As if this wasn't enough, Venomoth is physically frail, with Dodrio's Drill Peck nearly OHKOing it and many other physical attackers, like Persian, dealing severe damage with their STAB moves. It competes with Tangela, which possesses more bulk in addition to Bind and a better typing, as a Sleep Powder + Stun Spore user. Overall, Venomoth is strictly used for its utility, and while it does its job well, its niche is fairly specific; there will be times where it's little more than KO fodder.

[SET]
name: Double Powder
move 1: Sleep Powder
move 2: Stun Spore
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Mega Drain

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

The existence of Sleep Clause makes a second status move in Stun Spore complement Sleep Powder well. Psychic is Venomoth's strongest viable move, hitting for mostly neutral coverage while potentially allowing for more damage with its 30.1% chance for a Special drop and Venomoth's own decent 17.5% critical hit rate. It can 3HKO Tentacruel and, with Special drops, becomes noticeably more threatening across the board, turning 3HKOs into 2HKOs. Mega Drain acts as coverage for Golem and Omastar, the latter of which tends to try and PP stall Venomoth's Wrap-using teammates, while giving Venomoth some staying power in the process.

Venomoth is best used early in the game to sleep a foe as quickly as possible, but not as a lead, as its lead matchups are poor outside of Hypno. Tentacruel makes a good lead teammate, using Wrap to bring Venomoth in early if the conditions are favorable. Venomoth can later status threats for Tentacruel and switch into Toxic for other partial trapping move users like Dragonite and Pinsir. Kadabra and Electabuzz are also effective, as they can switch to Venomoth turn 1 to punish their common switch-ins in Hypno and Dugtrio, respectively. Putting a foe to sleep successfully creates a 50-50 situation where Venomoth can either paralyze a switch-in or pressure with Psychic should the foe try to burn sleep turns. After Venomoth has done its job, it should focus on using Psychic to get damage in, no matter how middling, and spreading paralysis when possible. Venomoth mainly finds points of entry against threats with good Special like Dewgong and Vaporeon, as they fail to 2HKO Venomoth and allow it to threaten with Sleep Powder thereafter. It's not reserved to these either, as Gyarados, for example, fails to KO Venomoth with Hyper Beam even after Body Slam, forcing the opponent to sacrifice a Pokemon to sleep. Generally, Venomoth works best on teams with Pokemon that profit from its role compression like Kangaskhan, Dragonite, and Articuno, making use of the holes opened in teams through its reliable sleep. However, what it provides is rather specific, which makes it deceptively difficult to utilize effectively.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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Generally, the most replaceable move Venomoth has is Mega Drain due to mediocre damage outside of specific targets. Toxic has good utility, as Venomoth can use it when Dragonite attempts to use Agility to negate predicted Stun Spore. This ruins Dragonite's chances of a Wrap sweep, as it would take more damage than it deals. Outside of this, however, Venomoth doesn't have many viable options. Substitute can allow Venomoth to take more hits than usual, giving more opportunities for Psychic Special drops, but since it doesn't block status in RBY, it's a weak choice. Double-Edge can be used to try and hit low-Defense Pokemon, but it falls just short of 3HKOing even Kadabra. On the flip side, with a critical hit, it can deal significant damage and force a Recover, which is a good spot for Venomoth to be in thanks to the threat of Stun Spore.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Kadabra and Hypno**: Venomoth has a lot of trouble against threats that resist its Psychic while threatening it, and Kadabra and Hypno are perfectly suited for this, especially if Sleep Clause isn't active. Both can 2HKO Venomoth with Psychic, or even OHKO with a critical hit, which Kadabra has a high 20.5% chance to land. Kadabra is better suited to revenge killing Venomoth, though, as it dislikes getting paralyzed. In most situations, Venomoth can only attempt to cripple either with status and switch out. However, in a lead situation, Venomoth can effortlessly put Hypno to sleep using Sleep Powder.

**Dodrio**: If Venomoth has taken any amount of damage, it is very likely KOed by Drill Peck. However, Venomoth can at least paralyze Dodrio to diminish its offensive presence; this makes it less inclined to switch in.

**Golem**: Golem cleanly 2HKOes Venomoth with Rock Slide. Golem strongly dislikes Mega Drain, which deals significant damage and can potentially allow Venomoth to recover its way out of KO range, but this scenario is rare, as it can only recover a maximum of 26.8%.

**Normal-type attackers**: Venomoth's physical bulk is poor, which makes Normal-type attackers very threatening. Persian can 2HKO Venomoth with Slash 74.2% of the time and always KO after Slash with Hyper Beam. Kangaskhan can also 2HKO with Body Slam followed up by Hyper Beam. Raticate is capable of using Super Fang to put Venomoth in KO range for its own Hyper Beam. However, none of these Pokemon appreciate being paralyzed, which makes trying to KO Venomoth from full HP very risky.

**Dugtrio**: Dugtrio is adept at revenge killing Venomoth, having a guaranteed 3HKO with Earthquake, or a 2HKO with a critical hit involved. While it can use Rock Slide, it deals only .3% more with less accuracy, making Earthquake optimal. Venomoth outright loses the interaction, failing to even 3HKO Dugtrio with Psychic or Mega Drain. The best Venomoth can do is attempt to heal out of 3HKO range using Mega Drain, but it can't recover fast enough to take another hit from the faster Dugtrio. Note that Venomoth can paralyze Dugtrio with Stun Spore, so Dugtrio needs to be warybefore going for the KO. If Dugtrio is paralyzed, it loses virtually all of its utility for the rest of the game.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
- Quality checked by: [[phoopes, 96315], [EB0LA, 423005]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [CryoGyro, 331519]]

 

[Plague von Karma]

This should be ready for QC now, not sure about what else I could add. Criticism is appreciated.

 

[phoopes]

In your overview, you use Persian's Slash 2HKOing 74.2% of the time as the example of Venomoth's frailty. I think you'd be better off with a Dodrio or a Dugtrio calc there instead, as those are what you actually have listed in the checks and counters section rather than Persian.

In set comments, you say Double Powders give it "excellent utility in the lead slot", then go on to say it shouldn't be used as a lead. This creates kind of a dissonance, so I would change it to "excellent utility in the early game" to match up with what you say later: that you should be using it in the early game but not as a lead.

I wouldn't even mention Psywave personally. I feel like it's never worth using in RBY but that's just me. Especially not when there's actual other options for the fourth move slot like Toxic and Double Edge (and I guess Sub too).

Once those edits are in, QC 1/2

 

[Plague von Karma]

In your overview, you use Persian's Slash 2HKOing 74.2% of the time as the example of Venomoth's frailty. I think you'd be better off with a Dodrio or a Dugtrio calc there instead, as those are what you actually have listed in the checks and counters section rather than Persian.

In set comments, you say Double Powders give it "excellent utility in the lead slot", then go on to say it shouldn't be used as a lead. This creates kind of a dissonance, so I would change it to "excellent utility in the early game" to match up with what you say later: that you should be using it in the early game but not as a lead.

I wouldn't even mention Psywave personally. I feel like it's never worth using in RBY but that's just me. Especially not when there's actual other options for the fourth move slot like Toxic and Double Edge (and I guess Sub too).

Once those edits are in, QC 1/2

Implemented this!

I also added a Normal-type attacker section to C&C, as the Persian scenario is something worth noting.

 

[EB0LA]

Add: Venomoth fastest user of Sleep Powder in RBY UU.
"Tentacruel makes a good lead in tandem with Venomoth, using Wrap to bring it in early if the conditions are favorable."
Add: Or w/ Kadabra/Buzz lead double switch into Venomoth as it's the fastest sleep powder user, and you shouldn't expect a Haunter coming in there.
Else looks good. QC 2/2

 

[Plague von Karma]

Add: Venomoth fastest user of Sleep Powder in RBY UU.
"Tentacruel makes a good lead in tandem with Venomoth, using Wrap to bring it in early if the conditions are favorable."
Add: Or w/ Kadabra/Buzz lead double switch into Venomoth as it's the fastest sleep powder user, and you shouldn't expect a Haunter coming in there.
Else looks good. QC 2/2

Had a convo on Discord for clarity on the second part, implemented these.

Ready for GP.

 

[Adeleine]

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[OVERVIEW]
Venomoth is the fastest viable user of Sleep Powder in RBY UU—faster than Venusaur—which gives it solid use as a supporting teammate in the tier. Furthermore, it has access to Stun Spore, which gives it the ability to further support its teammates thereafter lets it keep supporting the team after sleeping a foe and notably paralyze cripple Dugtrio. The role compression this "Double Powder" combination provides reduces the need for less reliable status moves like Hypnosis, enabling teammates like Hypno and Haunter to utilize more diverse movesets. Combined with its solid base 90 Speed, Venomoth can effectively pressure slower threats with status while providing speed control, outrunning threats like Articuno and Dragonite. Venomoth compressing both moves saves teammates like Hypno and Haunter from losing a moveslot to the less reliable Hypnosis. Its solid base 90 Speed lets it effectively pressure and provide speed control against slower threats like Articuno and Dragonite. Venomoth's Poison typing gives it an immunity to Toxic, which can allow it to switch in on it lets it freely switch in on Toxic to protect its Wrap-using teammates like Dragonite while threatening with status thereafter. However, this is largely the extent of its defensive capabilities. and then threaten the Toxic user with status.

While fast access to reliable status is all well and good, Venomoth is encumbered by many flaws. Venomoth's typing, compounded with its otherwise middling stats, means it provides virtually no defensive utility. The sole thing it does is provide immunity to Toxic, which the ubiquitous Tentacruel is capable of providing alongside However, that niche is largely the extent of its defensive capabilities thanks to its poor typing and middling stats, and the ubiquitous Tentacruel does this anyway while also providing the threat of Wrap. Worse still, due to this typing, Venomoth has no STAB to speak of and a weakness to Psychic-type attacks. This lack of STAB, in addition to its middling Special, makes Venomoth's Venomoth's typing gives it a weakness to Psychic-type attacks and no STAB moves to speak of, which, alongside its middling Special, makes its damage output average at best without Special drops from Psychic; Mega Drain doesn't even 2HKO Golem reliably. As if this wasn't enough, Venomoth is frail on the physical side physically frail, with Dodrio's Drill Peck nearly OHKOing it (RC) and many other physical attackers, like Persian, will dealing severe damage with their STAB moves. It competes with Tangela as a Double Powder Sleep Powder + Stun Spore pick as well, which possesses more bulk in addition to Bind and a better typing. Overall, Venomoth is strictly used for its utility in most instances, and while it does the its job well, it is poor outside of these cases, making its niche is fairly specific: there will be times where it's little more than death fodder.

[SET]
name: Double Powder
move 1: Sleep Powder
move 2: Stun Spore
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Mega Drain

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========
Sleep Powder and Stun Spore complement each other well, blending together to give Venomoth excellent utility, spreading status for its teammates. The existence of Sleep Clause makes a second status move in Stun Spore complement Sleep Powder well. (I imagine?) Psychic is Venomoth's strongest viable special move, hitting for mostly neutral coverage while potentially allowing for more damage with the its 30% chance for a Special drop (RC) coupled with and Venomoth's own decent 17.5% critical hit rate. It should be noted that Psychic can 3HKO Tentacruel, and, (AC) with Special drops, Venomoth becomes noticeably more threatening across the board, turning 3HKOs into 2HKOs. Mega Drain acts as coverage for Golem and Omastar while giving it some staying power in the process, the latter of which tends to try and PP stall Venomoth's Wrap-using teammates, (AC) while giving it some staying power in the process.

Venomoth is best used early in the game to score sleep a foe as quickly as possible, but not as a lead, as its lead matchups are poor outside of opposing Hypno. Tentacruel makes a good lead in tandem with Venomoth, using Wrap to bring it in early if the conditions are favorable. Venomoth can later status threats and switch into Toxic for Tentacruel and other fast Wrap users like Dragonite. (does this work?) Kadabra and Electabuzz are also effective, as they can switch out to Venomoth turn 1 to punish their common switch-ins (removed semicolon) namely in Hypno and Dugtrio, respectively. Once a threat has been put to sleep successfully, this Putting a foe to sleep successfully creates a 50-50 situation where Venomoth can either paralyze a switch-in or pressure with Psychic (RC) should the foe try to burn sleep turns. After Venomoth has done its job, it should focus on pressuring with using Psychic to get damage in, no matter how middling, while spreading paralysis where applicable when possible (I imagine?). Venomoth mainly finds points of entry against specially-orientated threats like Dewgong and Vaporeon, as they fail to 2HKO Venomoth and allow it to threaten with Sleep Powder thereafter. It's not reserved to these either, as Gyarados, for example, fails to KO Venomoth with Hyper Beam even after Body Slam, forcing the opponent to sacrifice a Pokemon to sleep. Venomoth has excellent synergy with fast Wrap users like Tentacruel, which especially applies in the case Tentacruel is used as a lead, as it can be used to exploit slower leads and ease Venomoth in to get sleep off, largely making up for its mediocre lead matchups. Generally, Venomoth works best on teams that profit from its role compression. As such, building teams with this in mind, such as ones with Kangaskhan, Dragonite and Articuno, will make the best use of Venomoth's strengths. It should be noted that Venomoth's immunity to Toxic complements Dragonite well, as it can switch in on it for free and pressure with Sleep Powder, giving a potentially massive opening for Dragonite to set up later. Generally, Venomoth works best on teams with Pokemon like Kangaskhan, Dragonite, and Articuno that profit from its role compression. However, what it provides is rather specific, with little on the defensive side, which makes it deceptively difficult to utilize effectively.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Generally, the most replaceable move Venomoth has is Mega Drain (RC) due to its limited targets and mediocre damage outside of specific scenarios specific targets. Toxic has good utility, as Venomoth can use it when Dragonite attempts to use Agility, which in conventional scenarios would erase a Speed drop from a predicted Stun Spore. This ruins the chance for Dragonite to attempt a Wrap sweep, as it would take more damage than it deals. Outside of this, however, Venomoth doesn't have many viable options. Substitute can potentially allow Venomoth to take more hits than usual, giving more opportunities for Psychic Special drops, but since it doesn't block status in RBY, it's a weak choice. Double-Edge can be used to try and hit physically-weak low-Defense Pokemon, but it falls just short of 3HKOing even Kadabra. On the flip side, with a critical hit, it can deal significant damage and force a Recover, which is a good spot for Venomoth to be in thanks to the threat of Stun Spore.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Kadabra and Hypno**: Venomoth has a lot of trouble against threats that resist its Psychic while threatening it, and Kadabra and Hypno are perfectly suited for this. Both can 2HKO Venomoth with Psychic, or even OHKO with a critical hit, of which Kadabra has a high 20.5% chance to do so land. Kadabra is better suited to revenge killing Venomoth though, as it dislikes getting paralyzed. In most situations, Venomoth can only attempt to cripple either with status and switch out.

**Dodrio**: If Venomoth has taken any amount of damage, it is very likely that it will be KOed by Drill Peck. There are some minor points in Venomoth's favor though, as it can However, Venomoth can at least paralyze Dodrio to diminish its offensive presence; this makes it less inclined to switch in.

**Golem**: Golem cleanly 2HKOes Venomoth with Rock Slide. Golem strongly dislikes Mega Drain though, which deals significant damage and can potentially allow Venomoth to recover its way out of KO range, but this scenario is rare, as it can only recover a maximum of 26.8%.

**Normal-type attackers**: Venomoth's defensive physical bulk is poor, which makes Normal-type attackers very threatening. Persian can 2HKO Venomoth with Slash 74.2% of the time; it can also guarantee this a KO after Slash with Hyper Beam. Kangaskhan is capable of similar feats, guaranteeing can also guarantee a 2HKO with a Body Slam followed up by Hyper Beam. Raticate is capable of using Super Fang to put Venomoth in range for its own Hyper Beam as well. However, none of these Pokemon appreciates being paralyzed, which makes trying to KO Venomoth from full HP very risky.

**Dugtrio**: Dugtrio is adept at revenge killing Venomoth, having a guaranteed 3HKO with Earthquake, or a 2HKO with a critical hit involved. While it can use Rock Slide, it deals only .3% more with less accuracy, making it optimal to go for Earthquake. Venomoth outright loses the interaction, failing to even 3HKO Dugtrio with Psychic or Mega Drain. The best Venomoth can do is attempt to heal out of 3HKO range using Mega Drain, but, (AC) due to Dugtrio's Speed, it can't recover fast enough to take another hit. Note that Venomoth can paralyze Dugtrio with Stun Spore though, so Dugtrio needs to be wary of this before going for the KO. If Dugtrio is paralyzed, it loses virtually all of its utility for the rest of the game.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
- Quality checked by: [[phoopes, 96315], [EB0LA, 423005]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

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[Plague von Karma]

finland woo yeah

Implemented this, though you were a touch inaccurate on the note of switching into Toxic. Since Tentacruel is Poison-type, it's unaffected by Toxic, so this had to be changed;

Venomoth can later status threats and switch into Toxic for Tentacruel and other fast Wrap users like Dragonite.

It's strictly a benefit to Dragonite and any Area 51 non-Poison Wrap users. I guess Moltres could be mentioned, but it's on the very outer edge of viability to the point of not even being ranked on the VR anymore.

So, I removed the bit I highlighted, it seems to work fine.

 

[CryoGyro]

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[OVERVIEW]
Venomoth is the fastest viable user of Sleep Powder in RBY UU, (comma) —faster than Venusaur— (if venusaur is relevant competition, say as much, otherwise this is kinda "no duh") which gives it solid use as a supporting teammate in the tier. Furthermore, it has access to Stun Spore, which lets it keep supporting the team after sleeping a foe and notably cripple Dugtrio. Venomoth compressing both moves saves teammates like Hypno and Haunter from losing using a moveslot to on the less reliable Hypnosis. Its solid base 90 Speed lets it effectively pressure and provide speed control against (can't tell what "speed control" is supposed to mean here, paralysis? revenge killing?) slower threats like Articuno and Dragonite., (comma) and Venomoth's Poison typing lets it can freely switch in on Toxic to protect its Wrap-using teammates like Dragonite and then threaten the Toxic user with status.

However, that niche is largely the extent of its defensive capabilities thanks to its poor typing and middling stats, and the ubiquitous Tentacruel does this anyway while also providing the threat of Wrap. Worse still, Venomoth's typing gives it a weakness to Psychic-type attacks and no STAB moves to speak of, which, alongside its middling Special, makes its damage output average at best without Special drops from Psychic; Mega Drain doesn't even 2HKO Golem reliably. As if this wasn't enough, Venomoth is physically frail, with Dodrio's Drill Peck nearly OHKOing it and many other physical attackers, like Persian, dealing severe damage with their STAB moves. It competes with Tangela as a Sleep Powder + Stun Spore pick as well, which possesses more bulk in addition to Bind and a better typing, (comma) as a Sleep Powder + Stun Spore user. Overall, Venomoth is strictly used for its utility, and while it does its job well, its niche is fairly specific:; (semi) there will be times where it's little more than death KO fodder.

[SET]
name: Double Powder
move 1: Sleep Powder
move 2: Stun Spore
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Mega Drain

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

The existence of Sleep Clause makes a second status move in Stun Spore complement Sleep Powder well. Psychic is Venomoth's strongest viable move, hitting for mostly neutral coverage while potentially allowing for more damage with its 30.1% chance for a Special drop and Venomoth's own decent 17.5% critical hit rate. It should be noted that Psychic can 3HKO Tentacruel, (comma) and, with Special drops, Venomoth becomes noticeably more threatening across the board, turning 3HKOs into 2HKOs. Mega Drain acts as coverage for Golem and Omastar, the latter of which tends to try and PP stall Venomoth's Wrap-using teammates, while giving it Venomoth some staying power in the process.

Venomoth is best used early in the game to sleep a foe as quickly as possible, but not as a lead, as its lead matchups are poor outside of Hypno. Tentacruel makes a good lead in tandem with Venomoth teammate, using Wrap to bring it Venomoth in early if the conditions are favorable. Venomoth can later status threats for Tentacruel and switch into Toxic for other partial trapping move users like Dragonite and Pinsir. Kadabra and Electabuzz are also effective, as they can switch out to Venomoth turn 1 to punish their common switch-ins in Hypno and Dugtrio, respectively. Putting a foe to sleep successfully creates a 50-50 situation where Venomoth can either paralyze a switch-in or pressure with Psychic should the foe try to burn sleep turns. After Venomoth has done its job, it should focus on using Psychic to get damage in, no matter how middling, while and spreading paralysis when possible. Venomoth mainly finds points of entry against Special threats with good Special (not sure quite what "special threats" means here) like Dewgong and Vaporeon, as they fail to 2HKO Venomoth and allow it to threaten with Sleep Powder thereafter. It's not reserved to these either, as Gyarados, for example, fails to KO Venomoth with Hyper Beam even after Body Slam, forcing the opponent to sacrifice a Pokemon to sleep. Generally, Venomoth works best on teams with Pokemon like Kangaskhan, Dragonite, and Articuno that profit from its role compression like Kangaskhan, Dragonite, and Articuno. (some elaboration would be nice) However, what it provides is rather specific, which makes it deceptively difficult to utilize effectively.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Generally, the most replaceable move Venomoth has is Mega Drain due to mediocre damage outside of specific targets. Toxic has good utility, as Venomoth can use it when Dragonite attempts to use Agility, which in conventional scenarios would erase a Speed drop from a to negate predicted Stun Spore. This ruins the chance for Dragonite to attempt Dragonite's chances of a Wrap sweep, as it would take more damage than it deals. Outside of this, however, Venomoth doesn't have many viable options. Substitute can allow Venomoth to take more hits than usual, giving more opportunities for Psychic Special drops, but since it doesn't block status in RBY, it's a weak choice. Double-Edge can be used to try and hit low-Defense Pokemon, but it falls just short of 3HKOing even Kadabra. On the flip side, with a critical hit, it can deal significant damage and force a Recover, which is a good spot for Venomoth to be in thanks to the threat of Stun Spore.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Kadabra and Hypno**: Venomoth has a lot of trouble against threats that resist its Psychic while threatening it, and Kadabra and Hypno are perfectly suited for this. Both can 2HKO Venomoth with Psychic, or even OHKO with a critical hit, which Kadabra has a high 20.5% chance to land. Kadabra is better suited to revenge killing Venomoth, (comma) though, as it dislikes getting paralyzed. In most situations, Venomoth can only attempt to cripple either with status and switch out. (just wanna point out you called lead hypno a good matchup, i assume cause you're free to sleep the slower mon but some explanation here or back up there would be nice)

**Dodrio**: If Venomoth has taken any amount of damage, it is very likely that it will be KOed by Drill Peck. However, Venomoth can at least paralyze Dodrio to diminish its offensive presence; this makes it less inclined to switch in.

**Golem**: Golem cleanly 2HKOes Venomoth with Rock Slide. Golem strongly dislikes Mega Drain though, which deals significant damage and can potentially allow Venomoth to recover its way out of KO range, but this scenario is rare, as it can only recover a maximum of 26.8%.

**Normal-type attackers**: Venomoth's physical bulk is poor, which makes Normal-type attackers very threatening. Persian can 2HKO Venomoth with Slash 74.2% of the time; (semi) it can also guarantee a and always KO after Slash with Hyper Beam. Kangaskhan can also guarantee a 2HKO with a Body Slam followed up by Hyper Beam. Raticate is capable of using Super Fang to put Venomoth in KO range for its own Hyper Beam as well. However, none of these Pokemon appreciate being paralyzed, which makes trying to KO Venomoth from full HP very risky.

**Dugtrio**: Dugtrio is adept at revenge killing Venomoth, having a guaranteed 3HKO with Earthquake, or a 2HKO with a critical hit involved. While it can use Rock Slide, it deals only .3% more with less accuracy, making it optimal to go for Earthquake optimal. Venomoth outright loses the interaction, failing to even 3HKO Dugtrio with Psychic or Mega Drain. The best Venomoth can do is attempt to heal out of 3HKO range using Mega Drain, but, (comma) due to Dugtrio's Speed, it can't recover fast enough to take another hit from the faster Dugtrio. Note that Venomoth can paralyze Dugtrio with Stun Spore though, so Dugtrio needs to be wary of this before going for the KO. If Dugtrio is paralyzed, it loses virtually all of its utility for the rest of the game.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
- Quality checked by: [[phoopes, 96315], [EB0LA, 423005]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429], [, ]]

 

[Plague von Karma]

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Implemented and uploaded, gave minor clarity where requested. I also moved Golem to the bottom of checks & counters since its relevance has dropped significantly since this analysis was originally written.