Want to make this shoddy team "perfect" before i trade it in daimond

[Blue--]

A quick look

Strategy

Weavile- is to scout out and kill off azelf and gengar leads.Also to revenge kill garchomp.

Bronzong- Is for the levitate ability.Also to counter weaviles, metagross and gyradoses. And because i needed a physical wall./someone to set up stealth rock.


Tentacruel- my answer to mix ape. Rapid spinner and sets up some toxic spikes.

Smeargle- Heres were the team is based around, sorta. He sets up and passes it for a sweep.


Pinsir- The belly drum+salac berry bosted sweeper. He gets the boost and attemts to sweep.


Magnezone- In shoddy he is the mvp. He takes out skarmory and all things that fly. Also can kill blissey.




In depth look

@choice band
jolly

40hp/252attack/216speed
Ice shard
Pursuit
night slash
brick break


This is one of my favorite pokemon. I like this pokemon because with choice band he is able to ohko gengar/azelf with pursuit and kill garchomp with ice shard. Brick break is for coverage and night slash is for damage on hefty foes.

@leftovers
relaxed
252hp/58attack/200defence
gyro ball
explosion
stealth rock
hypnosis

He was brought to the team because of levitate and the ability to learn stealth rock. And stayed because i need a physical wall. Gyro ball is for damage. Hypnosis is to put a opponent to sleep and set up some stealth rock. Explosion is for last resort situations and I really need a pokemon dead.

@leftovers
calm
252hp/52defence/204 special deference

toxic spikes
ice beam
surf
rapid spin


My only real answer to a mixape and heracross sweep. He sets up and gets rid of spikes. surf and ice beam are for cover.

@ salac berry
jolly
244hp/16defence/252speed
spore
subsitute
belly drum
baton pass

He is the main stragigy of the team. He sets up a max attack and a speed boost and passes it to pinsir.

@life orb
jolly
252attack/252speed/6hp
close combat
X-scissor
earthquake
stone edge

The resipen of max attack and a speed boost i wanted to give him as much cover as possible to sweep. I tried hitmonchan and felagator and willing to try more.

@leftovers
modest
78hp/200defence/232speacail attack
thunderbolt
flash cannon
metal sound
substitute

I underestimated him and didn't relieve his uberness until now. He switches into a skarmory and destroys it, and all flying type alike. He metal sound's once or twice and thunderbolts away to kill almost anything(including blissey). I stole this set for mapleassassinx.




i spent a long time writing this i hope you will give me some good tips of how to make this team "perfect".

 

[overlord]

this team needs tons of work. first off you have 4 fire and 4 fighting weaknesses with no real counters. a standard mixape could destroy this team. you need to get something like a vaporeon to cover ape and then maybe an alakazam or other psychic pokemon to cover your fighting. like i said, this needs lots of work... also, if you want a good passer use ninjask because it gets speed boost already so replace smeqargle with that. hope i helped.

 

[Blue--]

I changed the blissey into a tentacruel anything anybody can help me with.

 

[FooZee]

A quick look

Strategy

Weavile- is to scout out and kill off azelf and gengar leads.Also to revenge kill garchomp.

Bronzong- Is for the levitate ability.Also to counter weaviles, metagross and gyradoses. And because i needed a physical wall./someone to set up stealth rock.


Tentacruel- my answer to mix ape. Rapid spinner and sets up some toxic spikes.

Smeargle- Heres were the team is based around, sorta. He sets up and passes it for a sweep.


Pinsir- The belly drum+salac berry bosted sweeper. He gets the boost and attemts to sweep.


Magnezone- In shoddy he is the mvp. He takes out skarmory and all things that fly. Also can kill blissey.




In depth look

@choice band
jolly

6 Hp/252attack/252 speed
Ice Punch
Pursuit
Aerial Ace
brick break


This is one of my favorite pokemon. I like this pokemon because with choice band he is able to ohko gengar/azelf with pursuit and kill garchomp with ice shard. Brick break is for coverage and night slash is for damage on hefty foes.


Bronzong should be your starter, weavile should be revenge killer.

@Shed Shell
relaxed
252hp/58attack/200defence
gyro ball
explosion
stealth rock
hypnosis

He was brought to the team because of levitate and the ability to learn stealth rock. And stayed because i need a physical wall. Gyro ball is for damage. Hypnosis is to put a opponent to sleep and set up some stealth rock. Explosion is for last resort situations and I really need a pokemon dead.

I would actually suggest gliscor here. You still get stealth rock, while losing your weakness to fire. And you have alot of ice resistance, so this is also good, and you wall Heracross very well.

@leftovers
calm
252hp/52defence/204 special deference

toxic spikes
ice beam
surf
rapid spin/Hidden Power Electric


My only real answer to a mixape and heracross sweep. He sets up and gets rid of spikes. surf and ice beam are for cover.

I run the same set on mine. Course, I actually had a ground type :P
Anyway this is a pretty good awnser to mixape. Your very weak against Deoxys-S Rapage.

@ salac berry
jolly
244hp/16defence/252speed
spore
subsitute
belly drum
baton pass

He is the main stragigy of the team. He sets up a max attack and a speed boost and passes it to pinsir.

Really a swords dancer would be nice to pass to. This is why ninjask is ideal, extremely fast speed that gains on each turn, Swords Dance and THEN baton pass. This is better than a belly Drum smeargle. While Smeargle is good with Spore--- Its against sleep clause to have two pokemon with sleep inducing moves. i.e. Hypnosis.

@life orb
jolly
252attack/252speed/6hp
close combat
X-scissor
earthquake
stone edge

The resipen of max attack and a speed boost i wanted to give him as much cover as possible to sweep. I tried hitmonchan and felagator and willing to try more.

You completely rely on a smeargle to get you a sweep. Ninjask is TEN times more reliable.
Seriously, go with a different sweeper. Like say Salamence, or Garchomp, or Bulky Gyarados. Or even Heracross, who gets Guts, and pursuit, and is faster, and at roughly the same attack. With more benefits.

@leftovers
modest
172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
Thunderbolt
Magnet Rise
HP Ice
Substitute

I underestimated him and didn't relieve his uberness until now. He switches into a skarmory and destroys it, and all flying type alike. He metal sound's once or twice and thunderbolts away to kill almost anything(including blissey). I stole this set for mapleassassinx.

Most steel types carry shed shell for this reason. And then having a nice gliscor/Any ground type completely and totally wall you, unless you have a steel type move. Thats why HP Ice is good. Anyway Magnet Rise will stop you from getting messed up by a nice EQ. HP ice should you meet a nice dragon, Or a nice Grass type. But I can really say Deoxys S or Gengar would be good here. Or even an Encore Alakazam. You can definitely use Fighting support.




i spent a long time writing this i hope you will give me some good tips of how to make this team "perfect".

Sorry if I sound mean, this team is by absolutely NO means perfect. No team is, and this one definitely isn't. I say, take out Pinsir for Yache Berry Garchomp. Or a scarf chomp, or a Salamence, or anything resistent to Fighting or fire that can sweep decently (Eh-Heatran). You pick. That will give you alot more type coverage, and a better candidate for the roll of sweeper, Of course heracross is alot better in this spot. Pretty much the same moves, faster. And Deoxys S also, rapes your whole team. Ice Beam/HP Fire, Thunderbolt, Psychic, Super Power. Also,Tentacruel may seem like a special wall, but the common moves Thunderbolt, Psychic, Earthpower mean he can't truly claim this title.

Yeah and anyway seriously I just made you a completely different team and by no means do you have to follow my advice. Follow one or two but not all. Go by your instincts.

Seriously-I didn't mean to do all the work for you.

 

[kd24]

Except Deoxys-S doesnt learn Flamethrower so it wont completely rip him apart.

Anyway, the team is really having problems with Choice Band Infernape as well as Heatran. Mach Punch also becomes a huge problem for the team, especially since you rely on Smeargle for so much support.

I personally can't see Smeargle working at all without any kind of Encore, Status, or Perish Song support. I would just end up ditching it for something like Zapdos which actually counters Mixape well too (Calm Nature). Zapdos could still Baton Pass but I think just generally using him for Support would help the team more.

Unfortunately you can't rely solely on Tentacruel for the two most common Fire-types in the game so we are going to have to expand past them. I actually would try out Garchomp or Salamence in place of Pinsir. They just generally run that set much better and I personally would choose Garchomp, just for the Stealth Rock resist.

If it happens to be ScarfTran and HP Ice Infernape you are still somewhat in a pickle so I would make the final change, that being using Charge Beam Cresselia over Bronzong. And be sure to use Thunder Wave as well.

Cresselia@ Leftovers
Charge Beam
Ice Beam
Moonlight
Thunder Wave

would still counter Mamoswine like Bronzong does. However unlike bronzong it also counters gyarados (trust me it does and bronzong simply doesnt) as well as heatran and Infernape, at the very least paralyzing them.

Weavile doesnt really play the role of a revenge killer without Ice Shard so use that over Aerial Ace as Cresselia and our Dragon counter Heracross.

A final team of:

Weavile
Zapdos
Magnezone
Salamence / Garchomp
Tentacruel
Cresselia

would be a much better choice than the current team.

 

[FooZee]

Yeah your right I was under the impression he did. Hell what about HP Fire :)
Anyway Cresselia does kinda wall Deoxys S ;) Unless hes running with Shadow Ball. (Sorry seriously again if he can't use it)

Ice Shard and Ice Punch? Seriously? Aerial Ace is fine. Use that over either of them. Or Night Slash.

 

[kd24]

They are used for completely different things though. Ice Punch is for that strong stab attack to kill off anything. Ice Shard however deals with stuff like Scarf Gengar and Scarf Garchomp. It also deals with weakened priority users. Aerial Ace's coverage is limited on Weavile and using it on a Choice Band set seems somewhat awkward since it has pretty bad type coverage alongside ice punch.

 

[FooZee]

Eh you make a point-- My main reason for this is for the event of choice scarf/band Heracross but yeah you made a great point

 

[Blue--]

thanks

 

[FooZee]

name: Anti-Lead Weavile
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Counter
move 4: Night Slash / Ice Punch
item: Focus Sash
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 Spe
Awesome roll for weavile. ANTI LEAD BITCH!

 

[aflorez0]

I personally prefer Weavile to lead this way

Weavile @ Focus Sash
Adamant - EVs: 6HP/ATT 252/ SPEED 252

- Fake Out
- Ice Shard
- Pursuit
- Counter

The scenerio goes like this. Fake out on the first turn, Ice shard on the second. If you predict a switch, pursuit or counter for a sashed KO.

You are going to go untouched on the first 2 turns battle if you predict right, and give massive damage.

You should atleast kill 2 pokemon with this thing.

 

[Venom]

The Fire weakness here is pretty much gonna eat you alive, Heatran will take on this team with ease. I would rather much lead with Bronzong rather than Weavile, you don't want Weavile to die early game, and Bronzong would be ideal, sleeping and setting up rocks for the most part is what's needed. You can keep the Choice Band, the reason why I'm not telling you to use the CounterSash Weavile, which is very effective, is because you already have a lead that can benefit the team more, if you didn't have Bronzong, then Weavile would be a good lead too, but like I said setting up rocks is important here. Bronzong's EV's seem a little bit off, they should be looking something like 252 Hp / 72 Atk / 128 Def / 56 SpDef, alternatively you can use 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Def/SpDef, for more Gyro Ball power.

With Bronzong, you can scratch out Deoxys-E, opposing Weavile and Mamoswine. Tentacruel becomes kind of useless, you would only be setting up Toxic Spikes really, and Tentacruel does not stop Heracross, I don't know where you got that from. Vaporeon or Starmie over Tentacruel seem to fit the team better. Vaporeon will Wish Pass, to keep your sweepers and the team Healthy, and being a MixApe counter aswell. Starmie will Rapid Spin to remove the Stealth Rocks that bother Weavile, and be a handy revenge killer against Garchomp, which also counters MixApe. It's your call here, both pokemon are amazing, each meant for specific roles, but both do the job. This would also become your Heatran stopper somewhat.

To be honest, if you want to Baton Pass to Pinsir will be a waste, Pinsir is rather slow, and kill get revenge killed pretty quickly. What I would reccomend is a Garchomp, Garchomp + Magnezone make alot of magic. If you want it to hit real hard, CB Chomp would be ideal, it 2HKO's almost everything with the exception of steel pokemon, who Magnezone takes care of. If that's done, Smeargle has no place in the team, and I would put a Gliscor over him, to patch up the Heracross and Lucario weaks you have here.

 

[Wayff]

I'm going to add another Bronzong EV spread. 252 HP / 156 Atk / 92 SpD / 8 Def, Relaxed Nature [With a 0 Speed IV]. This allows you to Gyro Ball Gengar extremely hard, while still countering the likes of Weavile. Also; make Bronzong your lead.

I really see no use in Smeargle and Pinsir. I would replace them with the Standard Gliscor and Swords Dance Yache Garchomp for a more reliable way of sweeping and walling. Now that Gyardoos wrecks this team with Earthquake, I suggest Starmie over Tentacruel. Gliscor does a good job walling Heracross and Lucario.

The team will look something like:

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Atk / 92 SpDef / 8 Def
IVs: 0 Speed
Ablility: Levitate
Move 1: Hypnosis
Move 2: Stealth Rock
Move 3: Gyro Ball
Move 4: Explosion / Light Screen / Reflect / Earthquake

I suggest using Explosion in the last slot to do some damage when you don't need Bronzong anymore / have a threat you can't take. The Screens will provide with you some Support. Earthquake can hit Infernape / Heatran switch-ins.

Weavile @ Choice Band
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
IVs: Max
Ability: Pressure
Move 1: Ice Punch
Move 2: Ice Shard
Move 3: Night Slash / Brick Break
Move 4: Pursuit

Run Max Speed to outrun other Weavile and Scarfers. Ice Punch and Ice Shard to revenge Scarf Gengar, Scarf Garchomp, AND Yache Garchomp. Night Slash gives it a good STAB move to hit Cresselia and Mespirit hard. Brick Break can hit Tyranitar. Pursuit should be used to revenge kill runing Starmie and running Gengar.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Speed
IVs: Max
Ability: Sand Veil
Move 1: Earthquake
Move 2: Ice Fang
Move 3: Roost
Move 4: Knock Off

Support Gliscor. Counters Heracross and Lucario for you. You can run the Swords Dance version with Swords Dance over Knock Off, with enough Speed to outrun +Speed natured Lucario.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Speed / 40 Def
IVs: All Max
Ability: Natural Cure
Move 1: Surf
Move 2: Rapid Spin
Move 3: Thunderbolt
Move 4: Recover

No Magical 269 Special Attack number becuase you're not running Ice Beam to hit Garchomp and Salamence. You can try Reflect over Rapid Spin or Surf if you want some more bulk.

Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
IVs: All Max
Ability: Sand Veil
Move 1: Earthquake
Move 2: Dragon Claw
Move 3: Fire Fang / Stone Edge
Move 4: Swords Dance

Fire Fang hits Skarmory and Bronzong switch-ins hard. Stone Edge is good for cocky Zapdos who think they can switch in on an Earthquake. Jolly just because you want your Garchomp to outspeed / tie with other Garchomp.

Magnzone @ Leftovers
Nature: Modest
EVs: 92 HP / 78 def / 88 Speed / 252 SpAtk
IVs: All Max
Ability: Magnet pull
Move 1: Thunderbolt
Move 2: Hidden Power Ice
Move 3: Substitute
Move 4: Thunder Wave / Magnet Rise

Standrad Magnzone. Outspeeds Skarmory and like. Thunder Wave is if you hate speedy Pokemon like Gengar, while Magnet Rise can make sure you counter Bronzong.