Want to stab Skarmory? Have Blissey Blues? Team Libra will do the trick

Team Libra​

At A Glance​
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One day, I thought, "Wow, Skarmory and Blissey are such dicks. I think I'll make a team to destroy them." This is that team.​


The Leader

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Taunt
- Earthquake
- Roost​

Yes, the backbone of my team. This is what I built my team off of. This is where it starts, this is where it ends. Taunt completely shuts down common leads such as Swampert, Bronzong, Metagross, and Hippodown, in addition to the ever popular SkarmBliss combination. When facing Skarmory, Taunt to disable it, then Roost off Brave Bird damage, effectively destroying it. Blissey can be Earthquaked. U-Turn is chosen to scout teams, cause problems for Azelf, and to simply get the hell out of there.






The Lightning Rod
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Electivire @ Expert Belt
Ability: Motor Drive
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower


If this was a baseball team, Electivire would be the Closer. An amazing ability in Motor Drive, coupled with a wide movepool and decent speed, Electivire is pumped and ready. This moveset covers most of the OU tier, only occasionally having problems with Dusknoir. If Gliscor wasn't enough to destroy SkarmBliss, this fella will. i opted for Earthquake instead of Cross Chop mainly because it's more accurate, and it covers nearly the same types. I will lose an OHKO to Blissey, but too many misses have really messed me up.





The Double Wall

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Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Def/252 SDef/4 HP
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Sleep Talk


After many hours of testing, I decided to forgo Vaporeon and instead opt for Suicune. This deals with my Swampert problem, and occasionally allows me to sweep after many Calm Minds. I decided to switch to a Sleep Talker, but not exactly a Rest variant. this helps absorb Sleep and i can still 2HKO Swampert if I get a Calm Mind or two in.





The Flincher

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Togekiss @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Flamethrower
- Aura Sphere
- Trick


Who knew Togepi would turn out like this? Togetic got a complete makeover, resulting in the hax machine that is known as Togekiss. Ground attacks aimed at Electivire, Tyranitar and Metagross can be redirected to this. Air Slash is still the first option, due to the massive 60% flinch rate. This WILL cause problems for non-scarfers. Flamethrower is for the common Scizor, and Aura Sphere is for those pesky Steel types who try to ruin your fun. Trick will really mess up an opponents strategy, and its a good way to lock someone into a useless move.





The Cloverfield Monster

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Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stone Edge
- Pursuit
- Crunch
- Aqua Tail/SIZE]

Even with the addition of Salamence, Metagross and Lucario, Tyranitar is still the scariest Pokemon in the game. 134 Base Atk, 110 Def and Sand Stream causes BIG problems for the opposing team. Couple that with an SDef boost from Sandstorm and you have yourself one hell of a pokemon. It's speed is an issue, but Tyranitar is powerful enough to withstand the attack and hit back a dozen times harder. Pursuit is chosen for those pussy Ghost and Psychic types, Crunch is possibly the most reliable attack in this set, Aqua Tail is for Heatran, Hippodown and Infernape, and Stone Edge is a nice STAB move. Earthquake was forgone due to Metagross and Gliscor already carrying it.





The Retaliating Wall

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Metagross @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 Spd
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Explosion
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Bullet Punch


Technically being made up of 4 Pokemon (Beldum fusions), Metagross's stats certainly show it. Immense Atk and Def stats make Metagross a very good attacking wall, and its great typing helps too. Key resistances to Steel, Ice and Rock make this Pokemon nearly impregnable. The only issue is with fast SAtk'ers, but with proper prediction, Metagross is definitely hellraising. The reason why this wasn't the lead was because I decided to scout my opponent's teams first, enabling me to set up accordingly. Stealth Rock is of course essential, Earthquake is for other Steel types, Bullet Punch deals with the frail, fast Pokemon, such as Aerodactyl and Weavile, and Explosion is when there is a Pokemon that will cause problems for the rest of the team. Most of the attacks aimed at Gliscor should be directed to Metagross.


Thanks to wildfire393 and to Blue Tornado for the corrections. Edits are in Red
 
The Threat List

Abomasnow: Metagross deals with this with ease.

Aerodactyl: Once again, Metagross deals with this.

Alakazam: The Scarf variants might cause problems, but that means that it will not hit hard enough to OHKO Tyranitar. A Pursuit or a Crunch will definitely result in an OHKO.

Azelf: You will most likely encounter Azelf as a lead, and a U-Turn from Gliscor will drain up to 75% of its health. Then a BP from Metagross will finish it off.

Blissey: Haha, Gliscor completely rapes Blissey. Taunt, then continuous Earthquakes will destroy this bitch.

Bronzong: Yes, this is one area of concern. But Bronzong is hard to take down anyway, so depending on the set, just attack accordingly. Vaporeon will usually deal with this.

Celebi: A double weakness to U-Turn will not make Celebi happy to see Gliscor.

Cresselia: Once again, a weakness to U-Turn and to Crunch will be Cresselia's downfall.

Donphan: Even with Earthquake, Metagross will often wall Donphan. Vaporeon will take it out.

Dragonite: One again, Metagross will wall this, considering the only SAtk that Dragonite usually carries is Draco Meteor.

Dugtrio: Just avoid getting caught with Electivire, and you will be fine. Togekiss or Vaporeon owns it.

Dusknoir: A Crunch from Tyranitar will eliminate this ghostly wall. Otherwise just anticipate the set.

Electivire: Without Motor Boost, Gliscor will destroy it, same with Metagross.

Empoleon: Honestly, it has the ability to sweep my team once it sets up. Abuse Gliscor's Taunt and Earthquake, and you will be fine.

Flygon: the Scarf variants are always pesky, but just force it out continually, and residual damage will eventually get it.

Forretress: Basically a variant of Skarmory, Taunt shuts it down. Switch to Metagross for the expected Explosion.

Frosslass: Metagross deals with Frosslass easily.

Gallade: Gallade is often unpredictable, but your best bet is with Metagross.

Gengar: Once you get Tyranitar in, Pursuit it to hell.

Gliscor: Ice Beam or Surf from Vaporeon will OHKO Gliscor.

Gyarados: Pre DD, Electivire destroys it. Post DD, use Togekiss to flinch it to hell.

Heatran: Gliscor takes most of its attacks, and without HP Ice, its helpless to stop the incoming Earthquake.

Heracross: Even with Scarfed variants, Togekiss outruns it. Air Slash does 4X damage.

Hippowdown: Metagross has a chance to OHKO it with Earthquake, and Gliscor shuts down SR with Taunt.

Infernape: Destroyed by Gliscor and by Togekiss.

Jirachi: Can be Earthquaked, but be aware of Scarfed flinchers.

Jolteon: Get ready with Electivire, because Jolteon could be the key to your sweep. Gliscor eliminates it with ease.

Kingdra: Vaporeon will wall most of its attacks, and just stall out the Rain, and eliminate accordingly with Toxic.

Latias: Dealth with easily by Tyranitar.

Lucario: Gliscor is your best bet with this near Uber phenomenon. Taunt with the SD sets, and just Earthquake it.

Machamp: This bitch will Dynamic Punch and confuse you, so hit back with Togekiss and Air Slash the hell out of it.

Magnezone: Don't get caught with Metagross. Destroyed by Gliscor.

Mamoswine: Watch out for Ice Shard. Metagross can deal with it.

Metagross: Can be dealt with by Togekiss. It poses no real threat to this team other than Tyranitar.

Ninjask: Taunt to destroy its purpose. BP from Metagross will destroy it.

Porygon Z: I haven't encountered a lot of Porygon Z, but Togekiss can flinch it to death.

Rhyperior: Vaporeon, Metagross and Gliscor can deal with Rhyperior.

Rotom: Similar to Gengar, trap it with Tyranitar, and destroy it with Pursuit.

Salamence: Without Flamethrower, its pretty much walled by Metagross. Otherwise just Ice Beam it.

Scizor: Togekiss is your best friend when dealing with Scizor.

Shaymin: Air Slash from Togekiss should do the trick.

Skarmory: Lol, Gliscor manhandles it.

Smeargle: It's in the same boat as Skarmory, it's destroyed by Taunt.

Snorlax: You might need to bring out Electivire for this. Otherwise Tyranitar is a viable choice.

Staraptor: Walled by Metagross, BP will hurt a lot.

Starmie Tyranitar manhandles it.

Suicune: Toxic will hamper it, but if it Rests, bring out Electivire

Swampert: Leads will get shut down by Gliscor.

Tentacruel: A Motor Drive Electivire will annihilate this, but you can try your luck with Gliscor.

Togekiss: Once you enter a speed battle with your Togekiss, it's all about luck. Thankfully, its frail, so eliminate it with BP.

Tyranitar: Electivire can Cross Chop for an OHKO.

Vaporeon: Taunt to prevent Toxic, then Toxic it yourself.

Weavile: Metagross destroys this.

Zapdos: Toxic, Stone Edge and Ice Beam will be the end of Zapdos
 
Some thoughts:

On Electivire, a Mild Nature is much less useful to you than a Lonely Nature (+Attack, -Defense). Electivire's base attack is much higher than his Special Attack, and you're investing EVs in attack to boot. This means if you take an attack-boosting nature, you get more points from it, allowing you to keep the same Attack while freeing up EVs. Currently you have an attack of 345 and a Special Attack of 248. Assuming you want max neutral speed, you could instead give Electivire a Lonely Nature, 128 Attack EVs, and 124 Special Attack EVs, for the same Attack (345), but higher Special attack (257). 9 Points may not seem like a lot, but considering all you are losing to get this is a single point of HP (that should have been in Special Attack anyways), there is no reason not to.

If you really hate SkarmBliss, check out the Mixed Attacker Togekiss from the analysis. ExtremeSpeed 2HKOs Blissey on average, while Flamethrower OHKOs standard Skarmory. I love the set for taking care of my SkarmBliss problems, because people jump at the opportunity to switch Blissey into Togekiss, which results in a huge chunk of HP lost to ExtremeSpeed. After seeing ExtremeSpeed, the opponent almost always switches in Skarmory or Tyranitar, both of which can be OHKO'd by the appropriate special attack.
 
I don't get the idea of posting a thread that shows an RMT, with the title explaining the purpose of the team, talking about that purpose with the first two pokemon, and then forgetting about that purpose. oh well...

I have a suggestion for Togekiss:

Togekiss @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
~ Air Slash
~ Aura Sphere
~ Flamethrower
~ Trick

In other words: Trick > Tri Attack. You have enough coverage in Air Slash and Aura Sphere, and the extra ability to pwn special walls with trick is worth it (especially Blissey - the purpose of this thread =p).

You can opt for Roar > Protect for Vaporeon, since a phazer is pretty important nowadays.

By the way, if you really are in the mood to destroy SkarmBliss for good, you can always go for a Tyraniboah, which is still very effective today due to the element of surprise. You can even opt for a mixed Tyranitar, he's that versatile. You already have a phisical threat in E-Vire, so CB Tar isn't a must.
 
wildfire: my mistake :P it was meant to be lonely. thanks for the heads up.

Blue Tornado: Trick is an interesting move, I can't believe i missed that. thanks
 
okay, this is a good team, but it does have its share of problems. im going to help and correct them. i'm going to start with your electivire. i dont want to replace him-hes really underrated. i have a problem with the set you use. according to x-act's stats not too long ago there is a 3:2 ratio of physical to special attacks. thus, most walls are pumping more evs into their physical defense. skarmory can actually take a thunderpunch, but not a thunderbolt. a lot of mixmence run naive so they take less from bullet punch. i'm going to suggest you change electivire to a specially based version. 36 atk/252 spa/220 spe rash should fit your needs. it ohkos skarmory, and will always 2hko blissey (even bold max/max). hits 281 speed to beat classic neutral 90s and stuff trying to beat them by a point. rash helps just that little bit against scizor and lucario. thunderbolt/cross chop/hp grass/flamethrower is a beautiful wall breaker. the best part is that you cant paralyze it! once tyranitar takes out or weakens the rotom, electivire will do a number on stall teams. i suggest expert belt as the item, due to your carrying a tyranitar, and with sr being so prevalent...

vaporeon needs an ev makeover (pun intended)! max/max is bad for vaporeon. 188 hp/252 def/68 speed should work. easily outspeeds all scizor and skarmory, and can put a nice dent in both with surf, and stops skarm from roost stalling you. defense is maxed to take hits from gyarados and the like better, and the rest is thrown into hp to help boost both of your defenses. he can take one mixmence draco meteor with sr, and ohko back, or wish and protect to regain health, and allow you to survive the following outrage. your moveset is weird. no protect? without protect, any move that is a 3hko will beat you. wish/protect/surf/ice beam should do the trick for you. now moves need to do ~65-70% consistently for them to knock out vaporeon, as you can just wish and protect stall as your 62% healing is more than whatever attack they're dishing out (2 turns of leftovers + wish). you should forgo hp electric, as metagross can take one +1 eq and ohko back with his explosion...

...but that doesnt mean his ev spread couldnt use tweaking. it's actually not bad. 252 hp/244 def/12 speed is just a tad better. you arent losing any defense (maybe 1%), but in return you can beat tyranitar that run 80 speed. for his moveset, it's fine. consider meteor mash over bullet punch. both are fine options, but mm is a good stab to have, having 100 bp and all. bullet punch can help against those faster, frail foes, but often the extra power of meteor mash is missed versus those bulky sweepers. overall this is a good team, and i hope i helped.
 
I agree with alot of what bad ass said. I just have a problem with Gliscor and Tyranitar's Ev spreads. With Max attack you still cannot OHKO Lead metagross, and Gliscor is better served to be a bulky pokemon anyways. The spread i suggest is 204 HP/88 Atk/216 Spd. You still get to 2HKO max HP Metagross with Earthquake, as well as still outspeeding Jolly Lucario (you don't need to outspeed anything else with Gliscor anyway), while also giving it the bulk it needs to be an effective Lucario and Heracross counter.

Tyranitar doesn't need the defense because you have both Metagross, Vaporeon, and now Gliscor. What needs to be done is to maximize the effects of Sandstorm, which raises all rock types Special Defense by 1.5x. There are several Ev spreads for Choice Band Tyranitar, so I'll just list them all. For this you should Maximize HP, making the spread 252 HP/252 Atk/6 SDef, but if you are worried about Skarmory, you can always place 80 of those Hp evs into Speed, making Tyranitar fast enough to outspeed 4 Speed EV Skarmory, allowing Tyranitar to Stone Edge for a 2HKO before it can Roost. If you want a more specially bulky Tyranitar to capitalize on Sandstorm, you can use a 252 HP/40 Atk/216 SDef EV spread with a Careful Nature. This allows Tyranitar to survive Timid Life Orb Gengar's Focus Blast, and more effectively counter threats such as Latias and Zapdos. However, this spread fails to 2HKO Hippowdon or Gliscor with Aqua Tail.

If you want to make this team a little bit more offensive, a Dragon Dancing Gyarados from here would work nicely over Vaporeon, although you'll lose the wish support, and will have to rely more on Electivire to take care of Bulky waters.

I hope I helped, and Good Luck d(^_^)b
 
I have to agree with aero here, you have a serious Swampert problem.

Gliscor does not shut out Swampert lead in any way at all. They just won't use SR while you taunt them and you'll die. Vaporeon is the only thing that can switch into him somewhat safely, and it won't be doing a whole lot to Swampy. Your Electivire and Metagross will do very little damage to him and are threatened with serious damage, and your tyranitar will be walled. Your only real way of dealing with him is getting a toxic on him with Vaporeon or flich haxing him to death (which unfortunately is kind of realistic, but still not something you actually want to rely on). A Swampert with wish support would give this team far too many problems, and thats not something you want to have considering how common they are right now.

One thing I noticed while looking down your threatlist is that you don't often take into account switching into certain threats, you just evaluate it as if your pokemon were out against theirs. For example, you talk about gyara not being a problem pre DD, but after it gets a DD, you are only relying on togekiss to save your whole team. Your only defense against Kingdra is toxic, but if Kingdra gets a sub up, prepare to lose a lot of pokemon.

I hope some of this helps you with designing your team.
 
Suicine needs a change of ev's.

Change it to 252hp/252Def/4spe

Calm mind is boosting your SpD anyway, so you're better off dumping those ev's in HP.

The moveset isn't too hot either. You can use the standard Crocune Rest/Sleep Talk/Calm mind/Surf, but by your current set i'm assuming you want a more offensive Suicine.

The LO Suicine in the analysis is effective and can easily deal with Swampert without resorting to HP Grass.
 
The Threat List

Alakazam: The Scarf variants might cause problems, but that means that it will not hit hard enough to OHKO Tyranitar. A Pursuit or a Crunch will definitely result in an OHKO.

WATCH OUT, THIS THING CAN PACK FOCUS BLAST.

Blissey: Haha, Gliscor completely rapes Blissey. Taunt, then continuous Earthquakes will destroy this bitch.

I HAVE FOUND MANY BLISS WITH ICE BEAM, METAGROSS CAN WALL THE TOXIC VARIANT BUT T-WAVE AND ICE BEAM MAY CAUSE PROBLEMS TO BOTH (GLISCOR AND METAGROSS), SUICUNE IT'S THE SAFIEST CHOICE.

Dusknoir: A Crunch from Tyranitar will eliminate this ghostly wall. Otherwise just anticipate the set.

BEWAR: TYRANITAR WON'T ENJOY BEING BURNED AS YOU DON'T HAVE A CLERIC.

Electivire: Without Motor Boost, Gliscor will destroy it, same with Metagross.

WATCH OUT FROM ICE PUNCH, TIMID VIRES.

Gengar: Once you get Tyranitar in, Pursuit it to hell.

SAME AS ALAKAZAM

Kingdra: Vaporeon will wall most of its attacks, and just stall out the Rain, and eliminate accordingly with Toxic.

DD VARIANTS MAY DO HARM, IF THEY SET UP 2 OR 3 DDS NOT EVEN SUICUNE COULD TAKE MUCH HITS (As most suicunes are 252 HP/Def w/rest, those can take DD kingdra without much problems)

Machamp: This bitch will Dynamic Punch and confuse you, so hit back with Togekiss and Air Slash the hell out of it.

YOU CAN'T REALLY RELY ON TOGEKISS IF MACHAMP GETS YOU ON A SWITCH, BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE A LOT HP AND HE WILL SWITCH OUT TO BLISS OR ANOTHR SPC WALL








TTar needs some SpcDef EVs so 100% survives life orb Gengar Focus blast, however, alakazam got more spc atk and that means EQs will hurt a lot more

Life orb starmie could own you in late game.
 
According to my calculations, Alakazam cannot OHKO Tyranitar with Focus Blast whether it is Timid or Modest, excluding Choice Specs varieties. Even 2HKO's will be rare, since there is only a 49% chance that Focus Blast will hit twice. I tested this myself, with Alakazam getting 252 SAtk evs. it is the same with Gengar, barring Choice Specs.

Also, with Suicune, I meant to put 252 SDef evs. It's meant to be a pseudo-offensive set.
 
If you tested by yourself then there's no problem.

I used NB calculator and increased TTar spc def by 1 (Sandstorm), but if you tested everything's ok.
 
I could be wrong, but I guess I'd leave it to chance then. Besides switching into Gengar or Alakazam would mean to revenge kill, and if I'm sure they're holding a choice item, then I would switch into something other Focus Blast. I woulod probably switch in Suicune, as Thunderbolt rarely OHKO's me and usually doesn't 2HKO me.

Edit: I tested with a Careful nature, as that's what I run nowadays.
 
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