We're the Mesopotamians[OU RMT]

[ADEP]

The Mesopotamians
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DEEZ BELLZ(Bronzong) @ Light Clay
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/152 Atk/8 Def/96 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Explosion
- Gyro Ball
- Light Screen
- Reflect
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Putting up screens early game makes it a hell of a lot easier to set up entry hazards.
Bronzong's nice defences and immunity to earthquake make him a nice switchin to burned physical attackers from Heatran. Explosion allows me to take care of anything that really intimidates me for one reason or another, although I'm not a super giant fan of the move. Gyro ball makes it so I'm not walled by Gengar and lets me use 'Zong to set up on Tyranitar and then blast it away. His many resistances also allow me to switch him in and set up screens mid game if he hasn't blown himself up. <3

Tentacruel (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP/120 Def/136 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Knock Off
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
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Tentacruel makes a great spinner because of his stealth rock resistance and his immunity to toxic spikes, the fact that he absorbs toxic spikes due to his typing is quite awesome, too. ;3. Knock off allows me to remove leftovers from walls to so they're racking up residual damage and not recovering at the end of every turn, it also gives me something to use against Ghosts if they try to switch in to block my rapid spin. Rapid spin, obviously to remove entry hazards from the field. Surf gets STAB and let's Tentacruel counter Infernape without Thunderpunch. Tentacruel also helps me deal with Empoleon, as SubPetaya is a real bitch.

DEEZ OVARIES (Flygon) (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Outrage
- Stone Edge
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This lil' girl's typing allows me to come in on a shit load of moves and either U-turn out or wreak as much havoc as I can before something threatening comes about. U-turn is nice for scouting for her counters. Ground and Dragon STAB mean it'll be even harder for steels to stop an Outrage, although generally I feel safer U-turning to Heatran. Stone Edge allows me to better kill off dragons without subjecting myself to being locked into outrage early in the game.

Darkwing Duck (Porygon2) @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP/216 Def/40 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover
- Thunder Wave
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This guy takes care of any worry that I might have been weak to Heatran, Salamence, or Gyarados. He also revenge kills that bastard Dugtrio and toys with Magnezone by trapping them. Provides paralysis support and sports BoltBeam. When toxic spikes are down he likes to recover spam to drag out the poison. :3

OM NOM NOM NOM (Heatran) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP/16 SAtk/240 SDef
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Will-o-wisp
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Fire Blast
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Heatran provides a nice switchin to fire attacks by virtue of its ability. Will-o-wisp paired with screens makes many of the guys on my team fairly difficult to take down. With the possibility of all Entry Hazards in play Roar goes from being useful for scouting to being certain death to some teams. Fire Blast provides a useful STAB attack, I find that this Heatran prefers Fire Blast over Overheat because Fire Blast doesn't drop his attack while being almost as powerful. As I have no Seaking, I'll have to say it here: FUCK YEAH HEATRAN

They Call Me Dr. Worm (Gyarados) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 156 HP/164 Def/188 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Return
- Taunt
- Waterfall
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Bulky Dragon Dance Gyarados is probably my favorite set of his. Taunt allows me to come in on Crocune and set up, screens makes it even easier if not downright hilarious. Taunt also helps force switches--which allows me to Dragon Dance-- and generally keeps Gyara safe from status, as most statuser are slower than he. Taunt stops any pokemon from Roaring/Whirlwinding him out. In general he's a good switchin to a physical attacker trying to set up because of Intimidate and taunt. Although he does have to worry about Stealth Rock, which is why Tentacruel is here. :3

Oh. Check out their asses:

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[ADEP]

Offensive Threat List[Done, I guess]
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Latias
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Unscarfed Latias gets revenge killed by Flygon. Or he switches in on Thunderbolt.
Scarf Latias gets outpredicted(Hopefully)

Scizor
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Gyarados takes care of most sets by virtue of Intimidate and his ability to taunt the Swords Dance variants. Heatran also roflcopters at Scizor on the switch, but that's irrelevant as who the fuck would switch Scizor into Heatran? XD

Salamence
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Porygon2 laughs at Salamence and Bronzong giggles at Salamence locked in Outrage or not packing Fire Blast/Flamethrower.

Zapdos
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You know? This mofo is actually kind of hard to counter. :F
If Gyarados is already set up Stone Edge takes a dump all over Zappy. Heatran can come in on Heat Wave and phaze it away for later. Flygon can come in on Thunderbolt and use Draco Meteor/Outrage.

Gengar
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Flygon Revenge kills. :/

Metagross
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Heatran can try and catch it with Will-o-Wisp, or just Overheat it's ass, although Occa Berry says high. Gyarados and his intimidating stature allows him to take on any Metagross who doesn't sport Thunderpunch. Flygon can come in on Thunderpunch and pop a STAB Earthquake in Meta's ass.

Gyarados
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Porygon2 shit's on just about every Gyarados set. :3

Tyranitar
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Bronzong and Forretress with their slow ass selves and Gyro Ball are generally the go to guys when I see Tyranitar. Although the ones that run Fire Punch frighten me a little, I can just revenge kill those with Flygon.

Infernape
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Eep. I'm pretty sure due to Gyarados' bulk and Intimidate he fairs well against most Infernape, even more so with screens up.

Starmie
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With screens up Bronzong laughs at Starmie and either goes kablooy or tries to Gyro Ball it to death. Flygon revenge kills the non-scarfers, or comes in on Thunderbolt aimed at Gyarados.

Azelf
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Flygon revenge kills. Gyara fares alright with light screen up.

Rotom-A

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Am I not seeing it or do the Rotom Appliances piss on my team?

Kingdra
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Flygon can revenge kill and Bronzong resists Kingdra's Dragon STAB as well as sporting screens.
This is probably one of those pokemon that I have to be really careful about.

Jirachi
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Flygon can come in on Thunderbolt and Earthquake Jirachi to death.
Bronzong laughs at all of Jirachi's moves barring Fire Punch and Trick.





Defensive Threat List[In progress]
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Blissey
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Gyarados can't Taunt and set up on Blissey's that run Flamethrower. And Flygon switch into thunderbolt and lols.

Swampert

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Oopsies :?

Bronzong
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Heatran takes out the levitators(Which almost all are). Flygon takes out the Heatproof mofos.
Gyara could set up with taunt, but the threat of Explosion is not that appealing.

Team Construction[Done]
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Well, I didn't really want to run a sandstorm team, as I usually do.
I know I wanted to use Forretress, because I was planning on having entry hazards.

I knew that Forretress would be drawing in a shit load of fire attacks, and I wanted a phazer, so Heatran was my best choice for something like that.

I thought about using CeleTranWater, but I was never that big a fan of Celery and that seems to be a pretty popular Defensive Core. I wanted something that would take fighting and ground attacks reasonably well, while also being bulky. So as to better counter Scizor I went with Gyarados.

I wanted someone who could take electric because I had no one who took it well, and I wanted a speedy finisher who could u-turn. As often as I use sandstorm teams, I never use Flygon. So I figured I would go with him.

I fucking love Porygon2, and I wanted someone to spread around paralysis, mostly for pokemon who were immune to toxic spikes. Porygon2 also countered Salamence, Heatran, and Gyarados which are very common threats. I am being a little biased, though. ;D

I knew Dual Screen would benefit almost all of my team, I knew I needed a lead. I kind of wanted another bulky pokemon, so I went with Bronzong.

Someone suggested I run Tentacruel over Forretress and a tested it for about an hour, I found I really loved the lil' guy on my team.

Current Lineup
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Retired
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[d2m]

Gyarados has so much better coverage moves than Return. If you fear electrics or steels walling him, give him EQ. If you fear other Gyarados (which you shouldn't with P2 and Bronzong on the list) or other fliers, put Stone Edge, if you fear dragons in general (you shouldn't) then put Ice Fang.

Foretress without Explosion or equivalent is just setup bait. Sure you get 2 layers of Toxic Spikes, and Gyarados gets 2 DD's and your team is dead and gone. Not to mention Magnezone traps and kills it easily.

Despite the entry hazards, I don't think Foretress does anything for this team. There's nothing that it completely walls that's essential, you have Heatran to cover scizor and P2 and Bronzong to cover dragons, he's ONLY there for entry hazards which, to be quite frank, others can set up better. Add to all that you have no spin blocker, so all those turns you waste tossing down spikes are removed whenever Starmie, tentacruel, or whatever comes in.

I'd suggest Tentacruel for Rapid Spin and Toxic Spikes support, but if you wanted to stick with spikes, giving a Roserade LO and Sleep Powder/Spikes/Leaf Storm/Sludge Bomb still will wreck some OU stuff, in addition to providing sleep support, but you lose the rapid spin from Tentacruel.

 

[Ciaran]

Gyarados has so much better coverage moves than Return. If you fear electrics or steels walling him, give him EQ. If you fear other Gyarados (which you shouldn't with P2 and Bronzong on the list) or other fliers, put Stone Edge, if you fear dragons in general (you shouldn't) then put Ice Fang.

Foretress without Explosion or equivalent is just setup bait. Sure you get 2 layers of Toxic Spikes, and Gyarados gets 2 DD's and your team is dead and gone. Not to mention Magnezone traps and kills it easily.

Despite the entry hazards, I don't think Foretress does anything for this team. There's nothing that it completely walls that's essential, you have Heatran to cover scizor and P2 and Bronzong to cover dragons, he's ONLY there for entry hazards which, to be quite frank, others can set up better. Add to all that you have no spin blocker, so all those turns you waste tossing down spikes are removed whenever Starmie, tentacruel, or whatever comes in.

I'd suggest Tentacruel for Rapid Spin and Toxic Spikes support, but if you wanted to stick with spikes, giving a Roserade LO and Sleep Powder/Spikes/Leaf Storm/Sludge Bomb still will wreck some OU stuff, in addition to providing sleep support, but you lose the rapid spin from Tentacruel.

The Forretress stuff makes enough sense...
As for Gyarados you basically said "Gyarados has better coverage moves. Here are ones you don't need." Well, then why not use Return which has more base power against neutral opponents than EQ, SE, or Ice Fang, more accuracy than Stone Edge, and which, in combination with Waterfall, is only resisted by Empoleon, Shedinja, and Dialga. Well, he has SR, so Shedinja is in no way a problem. And he has Scarf Flygon which outspeeds Empoleon even after an Agility and OHKOs with Earthquake. But I suppose he would have a Dialga problem if it wasn't confined to UBERs...

 

[Styx]

what hes saying is if you have you gyara out.. DDance once they pull out a gyara YOULL lose your attack bonus Hit it with return for Not Very Effective then get stone edged in the face... Also if they pull out salamence and you let him get even 1ddance its pretty much gg there to besides the fact that if your Scarf flygon is still up you have equake coverage but i deffintly agree with d2m.. You need equake for Electrics and Stonedge/Icefang on your gyara just simply for TYPE Coverage instead of return.. One of the most critical parts of pokemon is to hit you oppenent for super.

but still its up to You..xD Hope it helped i cant type anymore..my finger is F**ked,slammed it in a car door...But maybe ill edit tommorow with a better rate

 

[d2m]

The Forretress stuff makes enough sense...
As for Gyarados you basically said "Gyarados has better coverage moves. Here are ones you don't need." Well, then why not use Return which has more base power against neutral opponents than EQ, SE, or Ice Fang, more accuracy than Stone Edge, and which, in combination with Waterfall, is only resisted by Empoleon, Shedinja, and Dialga. Well, he has SR, so Shedinja is in no way a problem. And he has Scarf Flygon which outspeeds Empoleon even after an Agility and OHKOs with Earthquake. But I suppose he would have a Dialga problem if it wasn't confined to UBERs...

Earthquake was the one I was suggesting, if you didn't get the hint. It offers best coverage for Taunt sets. It hits Metagross and other steels harder than Waterfall, lets you nail fast electrics like Jolteon and Scarf Magnezone on the switch, and all around kicks ass.

 

[Ciaran]

Earthquake was the one I was suggesting, if you didn't get the hint. It offers best coverage for Taunt sets. It hits Metagross and other steels harder than Waterfall, lets you nail fast electrics like Jolteon and Scarf Magnezone on the switch, and all around kicks ass.

He runs Flygon and Heatran. Flygon having STAB EQ, which will do more damage to Metagross than Gyara's, especially with no Attack investment, and Heatran having STAB Special Fire attacks, which hit Super Effective and on Metagros's weaker Defense. And he still outspeeds while resisting Explosion, a big worry when facing Metagross.

Jolteon doesn't cause this team trouble at all except for Gyarados, so it's a non-issue. It's dealt with by Tran, Flygon, Bronzong's Explosion, or whatever he'll replace Forretress with.

Scarf Magnezone is Scarfed, first and foremost, meaning it can be easily worked around. Not to mention, assuming he takes your advice on replacing Forretress, the only things Magnezone can trap are Bronzong and Heatran. Heatran beats it easily, and Bronzong explodes early one.

Your examples are non-issues. Gyarados is a sweeper. Super Effective coverage is less of a concern than Neutral coverage for him, as he's a softener/finisher of weakened opposing Pokes. Being able to take on specific threats he doesn't have any trouble with anyway is unnecessary.

If he wants to keep Forretress he can still alleviate the issue by running Shed Shell over Lefties on Forry.

 

[ADEP]

Sorry I wasn't on, I kind of passed out on the floor. D:
I suppose I do see what you mean about forretress, let me think about what I want to use over him and maybe test a few things. Any other ideas on a replacement would be appreciated.
Testing: Tentacruel
Pondering: Roserade

but still its up to You..xD Hope it helped i cant type anymore..my finger is F**ked,slammed it in a car door...But maybe ill edit tommorow with a better rate

Hope you feel better. =)

 

[august]

Hello.

To be honest, right now your team seems to be sitting inbetween stall and offense, leaning towards balance. Balance is a fine playstyle but I am more concerned about not being able to beat stall or hyper offense, 2 relatively common playstyles on the ladder. If you want to give stall a hard time I'd recommend running Mixed Salamence over your Scarf Flygon set. Mence brings a second Intimidater to the table in a last situation pinch as well. Hyper Offense is often too frail to switch into Mence and Porygon2 can wall the common Mence and Gyarados hyper offense often carries. Most importantly Salamence gives you another switch into fighting types since you want Gyarados to sweep late game. You can easily blows holes through teams early with a powerful Draco Meteor and take out common Gyarados counters like Porygon2 or Rotom appliance.

Salamence (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 80 Def/176 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Brick Break
- Roost

Salamence is also a perfectly reasonable check against Lucario with the Defense investment, taking around 50% from Extreme Speed.

Another thing you might want to give a shot is Substitute on Heatran. Many defensive pokemon will not be able to break Heatran's Sub and Roar can easily take advantage of this, thanks to Stealth Rock, Spikes, and Toxic Spikes damage quickly racking up. I'd much rather have Heatran outrunning the fastest spread of all Scizor as well, the 232 Spe Swords Dance set. I have used Special Defensive SubTran in the past, albeit i had Toxic over Roar since my team did not have the luxury of Toxic Spikes. Here is the set that I used, with Roar replacing Toxic.

Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP/140 Spd/116 SDef
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Fire Blast
- Substitute
- Roar

Perhaps the best thing about Roar is the fact that SubTran is commonly viewed as setup fodder against Gyarados and Salamence since they can easily Dragon Dance on you, and with Roar you can phaze them out and get 25% SR damage each turn. Since Tran is no longer able to use SR, I'd suggest Bronzong use it over either Gyro Ball or Explosion.

Last off, I really think you should at least consider running Payback on Forretress. With Payback Forry you can hit the most common spin blockers (Defensive Rotom appliance) for a 3HKO with Stealth Rock down, and you can also hit Starmie, the most common Rapid Spinner, for a decent amount of damage as it switches in with hopes to Rapid Spin against you. The only coverage you really lose is against Mamoswine and Tyranitar, both of which you say you have covered with Bronzong.

Good luck!

 

[ADEP]

I'm hesitant about running Mixmence over my Flygon as that would remove a very useful revenge killer, but I'll test it out and see how I like it. Also gives me a way to take care of Rotom-A's. :3
I'll test Subtran when I get to testing Mixmence. Which will probably be after I watch "Watchmen".
Also, I'm really liking Tentacruel ove Forry, so I'll update the team soon.

 

[ADEP]

Well, updated. I was discussing my team with some friends and a few of them pointed out that they didn't feel that Gyara was a good finisher for my team. One of them suggested Tyranitar, and I believe he would fit with the rest of my team-- but it would make me want to get rid of Flygon.
I don't know if I would want to go with Mixmence in that slot or not because of the team overhaul.
Suggestions, thoughts, and memes welcome.