Whaa??? No Weather???? NOW UPDATED WITH ALL CHANGES MADE SO FAR!!! COME SEE!!!

[ITSU]

Hey guys, so this is a non weather team, that i think is pretty decent, but may need some touching up. Please leave some comments, and suggestions, and even if you liked anything about my team, because it makes me feel fuzzy inside. Anyway, here is the team. READ THE WHOLE POST, I HAVE CHANGES THAT I AM CONTEMPLATING ON THE BOTTOM [EVIRE]. THANKS!

Dusclops (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 64 Def / 192 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Disable
- Will-O-Wisp
- Night Shade
Ok, so a rule that i try to have with walls is that i cant have just a physical wall, and just a special wall, i find that people would switch in opposites, and use the opportunity to set up on the switch. This set balances Defense and Special Defense, with Max HP. Pain Split for recovery, Will-O-Wisp to spread status, and Disable for ??? Shadow sneak for damage. Also, he is part of my core, being only weak to ghost, while being unaffected by normal and fighting. I am willing to switch him out, but would want something that takes fighting well for Natt.

Bob Marley (Scrafty) (M) @ Leftovers [OVER DRAGONITE]
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Hi Jump Kick
- Ice Punch
- Crunch

Ok, I'm thinking that Scrafty would be a better fit instead of Dragonite because with Dragon Dance, his 236 Max Spd becomes 354, becoming just fast enough to outspeed the enitre OU Meta, barring Scarfers +Max Speed Starmie, Dugtrio, Jolt, and ninjask, and being able to kill Lati@s and the genies with Ice Punch or Crunch, and with Moxie, his attack goes up to +2.

Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Leech Seed
- Stealth Rock
- Thunder Wave
- Power Whip

No Explanation needed for Ferrothorn. He's my other mixed wall besides Dusknoir, and the second poke in my core. I believe that he is the most used pokemon in Gen 5 OU atm, and has no reason not to be. I'm thinking of switching out thunder wave because of my Reuniclus set.

Rotom-W @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 144 Def / 104 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Trick
- Pain Split

The third pokemon in my core is Rotom Wash. With his only weakness being grass since he has levitate, he is perfect for choise scarf as well with a high Special Attack, and some defensive bulk with the EVs swapped aorund. I got this set from SexySceptilez. I have Hydro pump for Water Stab, Trick to cripple before i die, and Painsplit to recover some HP after I trick.

RollnThunder (Latias) (F) @ Leftovers [OVER REUNICLUS]
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power [Fire]

This CM set works out as a late game sweeper when Latias' threats are feinted or badly damaged. I gave it bold with some defense EVs invested so that i can take some physical hits without having to recover as much, especially in cunjunction with its Max HP EV's. I have HP Fire for Nattorei and other steels that get hit NVE against my Dragon Pulse. He works really well with Ferrothorn because in conjunction with T-Wave, he is a pretty beastly wall.

Shofu (Togekiss) (M) @ Leftovers [OVER COTTONEE]
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Protect
- Air Slash
- Wish
- Heal Bell

This Togekiss set seems to help my team out a lot more than the Togekiss i originally had, giving wish support and being able to clear my other pokemon's status with Heal Bell. I have protect so i can get heals from myself with wish, and i have air slash so i can do some damage with Togekiss. He also helps my team out a lot better than the cotton ball thingay. I'm thinking about switching back to my first moveset, to give Latias more support.

 

[NijaSkills]

I don't think Protect is doing you any good on Dusknoir. Maybe try Will-o-Wisp? Also, consider Eviolite Dusclops, which can wall better in exchange for a little attacking power (which with Shadow Sneak as the only move it affects, is not all that necessary).

 

[ITSU]

I don't think Protect is doing you any good on Dusknoir. Maybe try Will-o-Wisp? Also, consider Eviolite Dusclops, which can wall better in exchange for a little attacking power (which with Shadow Sneak as the only move it affects, is not all that necessary).

Thanks, I'll try it out. I'm also thinking of switching Togekiss for Whimsicott. Any feedback with that??? I've also never used him, so does anyone have a good set?

 

[NijaSkills]

Whimsicott @ Leftovers
4HP/252 Def/252 SpDef
+Def -SpAtk Nature (I forget the name)
Substitute
Leech Seed
Taunt
Stun Spore/U-Turn/Encore/Toxic

OR

Cottonee @ Eviolite
4HP/252 Def/252 SpDef
+Def -SpAtk Nature
Substitute
Leech Seed
Taunt
Stun Spore/Encore/Toxic

Again, like with Dusknoir, the Eviolite prevo can arguably do the job better.

 

[Acatia]

Imo Protect can be used to lessen then damage taken for the Disable process, but its also slightly counter intuitive since you'll probly try to heal back up by sapping at your opponent with Pain Split so it depends if you wanna increase your team support in Burn Spreading while your Ferrothorn and Togekiss were already spreading Paralysis, or putting more emphasis on smoother Disabling, which will probly result in pseudo phazing.

Also, a small question, why would you run Extremespeed on your Dragonite if you're gonna be boosting your speed with Dragon Dance. I understand your speed initially won't be super high before you start stacking DD, you will be walled to no tomorrow by any steel type which definitly is a common type to fight.

 

[ITSU]

Whimsicott @ Leftovers
4HP/252 Def/252 SpDef
+Def -SpAtk Nature (I forget the name)
Substitute
Leech Seed
Taunt
Stun Spore/U-Turn/Encore/Toxic

OR

Cottonee @ Eviolite
4HP/252 Def/252 SpDef
+Def -SpAtk Nature
Substitute
Leech Seed
Taunt
Stun Spore/Encore/Toxic

Again, like with Dusknoir, the Eviolite prevo can arguably do the job better.

I'll try this out in place of Togekiss. Thanks for the set Also!!!


Also:

Imo Protect can be used to lessen then damage taken for the Disable process, but its also slightly counter intuitive since you'll probly try to heal back up by sapping at your opponent with Pain Split so it depends if you wanna increase your team support in Burn Spreading while your Ferrothorn and Togekiss were already spreading Paralysis, or putting more emphasis on smoother Disabling, which will probly result in pseudo phazing.

Also, a small question, why would you run Extremespeed on your Dragonite if you're gonna be boosting your speed with Dragon Dance. I understand your speed initially won't be super high before you start stacking DD, you will be walled to no tomorrow by any steel type which definitly is a common type to fight.

Hmm, So i should do something like Fire Punch>Extreme Speed??? That seems like it would work. I'll try it


EDITING MY INFORMATION UP TO THIS POST, PLEASE DO NOT POST ON THE OLD TEAM!!! Changes are made in bold on the OG post.

 

[Minacciosa]

I like this team but there’s quite a few things which seem to conflict.
Most of these pokes are considered slow, which Thunderwave helps you out with but doesn’t mesh at all with Reuniclus using TR and DDNite or CS Rotom. Every team member is fairly bulky, which means you probably don’t even need Trick Room to try and sweep.
Protect doesn’t seem as useful to me either seeing as Protect+Disable is better used something fast such as Alakazam or Gengar, but it does give you some extra leftovers recovery I guess. Seems like Will-o-wisp would benefit you more overall because without it a lot of things can either set-up entry hazards, or just set up on you and sweep without fear of a burn.
A fire move needs to be on Dragonite, no question.
EV / Nature wise, Rotom probably doesn’t need that many Evs with Timid unless you’re worried about tying with other Scarf Rotom. With the Evs as you currently have them for Togekiss and Ferrothorn, their natures should be swapped to get the most utility out of them; Togekiss = Bold, Ferrothorn = Careful.

 

[ITSU]

I like this team but there’s quite a few things which seem to conflict.
Most of these pokes are considered slow, which Thunderwave helps you out with but doesn’t mesh at all with Reuniclus using TR and DDNite or CS Rotom. Every team member is fairly bulky, which means you probably don’t even need Trick Room to try and sweep.
Protect doesn’t seem as useful to me either seeing as Protect+Disable is better used something fast such as Alakazam or Gengar, but it does give you some extra leftovers recovery I guess. Seems like Will-o-wisp would benefit you more overall because without it a lot of things can either set-up entry hazards, or just set up on you and sweep without fear of a burn.
A fire move needs to be on Dragonite, no question.
EV / Nature wise, Rotom probably doesn’t need that many Evs with Timid unless you’re worried about tying with other Scarf Rotom. With the Evs as you currently have them for Togekiss and Ferrothorn, their natures should be swapped to get the most utility out of them; Togekiss = Bold, Ferrothorn = Careful.

I'm still thinking about Cottonee or Togekiss because i've become addicted to heal bell on Togekiss lawl. And i made some changes that go over some of the stuff you said. What should i try instead of DDance on nite though. Choice Band??? I use Rotom as an early game scouter, although i dont see the use of a scouter with team preview now that i think about it. Maybe i should try a bulky set on it??? Also, i did Will-O-Wisp>Protect.

I'm also thinking about a more support-like togekiss. Probably a move set like Air Slash, Heal Bell, Wish, Protect

 

[Minacciosa]

Most of the changes work and this team is looking pretty good.
With evoliteDusclops replacing Dusknoir, Shadow Sneak is probably better replaced with Night Shade / Seismic Toss given Dusclops low attack.
I’m not crazy about CB Dragonite because outside of Extremespeed, Salamence outclasses it - whose ability will actually be useful whereas Dragonite will be forced out or taking damage, and without Roost you essentially have no ability. Either of those dragons get Heal Bell if you need some sort of cleric, but Heal Bell is illegal with Multiscale.
Support Togekiss is good (Air Slash / Heal Bell / Roost / Encore) works somewhat as a mix between Cottonee and Togekiss except Cottonee has priority encore, whereas Togekiss can actually damage something outside of leech seed. Either works, just depends on which is more threatening, another ice weakness or another ice & fire weakness? In any case, Encore is recommended over Stun Spore on Cottonee.

 

[ITSU]

Most of the changes work and this team is looking pretty good.
With evoliteDusclops replacing Dusknoir, Shadow Sneak is probably better replaced with Night Shade / Seismic Toss given Dusclops low attack.
I’m not crazy about CB Dragonite because outside of Extremespeed, Salamence outclasses it - whose ability will actually be useful whereas Dragonite will be forced out or taking damage, and without Roost you essentially have no ability. Either of those dragons get Heal Bell if you need some sort of cleric, but Heal Bell is illegal with Multiscale.
Support Togekiss is good (Air Slash / Heal Bell / Roost / Encore) works somewhat as a mix between Cottonee and Togekiss except Cottonee has priority encore, whereas Togekiss can actually damage something outside of leech seed. Either works, just depends on which is more threatening, another ice weakness or another ice & fire weakness? In any case, Encore is recommended over Stun Spore on Cottonee.

Yeah, so i should do Mence>Nite??? And idk what set would help it. I also think that i will use the togekiss set that i put above, but should i run natural cure, or serene grace? I'm thinking Serene Grace because i get heal bell anyway. I'm on smogon PO now if you wanna talk more on there.

EDIT: Maybe MixMence?

 

[Minacciosa]

Maybe Nite because, as you said, it can take on Lati@s at full health, something that Mence can’t.
Togekiss’ only abilities are Serene Grace or Super Luck, you must be thinking of Blissey.

 

[mudkipmaster]

Just a nitpick...
Dusclops is weak to ghost and dark, not just ghost.

 

[Night-san]

Ohey that's my Ferrothorn pic. xD Glad someone got some use out of it~!

 

[ITSU]

@Minacciosa: I'm actually thinking of trying a scarf Mence atm, because it can outspeed specs Lati@s. Seems nice for a late game sweeper. Also, i'm thinking about what you said about TR reuniclus. I dont know what set i would replace it with, but i feel like i have to replace it with something due to thunder wave with Ferrothorn and Togekiss.

@MudkipMaster: Whatever, i'll change it, but they are both NVE against Nattorei.

@Night-San: Your welcome, but try not to ghost or you'll get hit by the mods.

 

[ITSU]

Sorry for the double post, but i added some pokes that i think would work well in place of some other pokes. Those are the pokes that i am testing as of right now, and so far, they are working really good. I just need to get some pics, and delete the old pokes.

 

[Evire]

ITSU, you should definitely put CM latios in over Reuniclius.
I recommend this set:

Latios @Leftovers
Timid
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 Hp

Surf
Dragon Pulse
Recover
Calm Mind

This set outspeeds max speed Garchomp, and Heatran. Surf for Fire types obviously and the likes of excadrill, and with one Calm Mind up it can OHKO Scizor and dragon pulse OHKO's almost every dragon except Latias. It can change the outcome of a battle in an instant, I know this from personal use. :) Evire.

 

[ITSU]

Hm, I could use this set, but i was looking for a bulkier variant, so i chose latias instead. My set for him is in the OG post, and my reasoning. I have HP Fire> Surf to take out Nattorei and other steels that wall DPulse.

 

[BurtonEarny]

use whimsicott. Use encore

Whimsicott @ Leftovers (this way your not dependent on leech seed)
Careful; 252 Hp/ 252 Sp Def/ 4 Def
Encore
Charm/ Stun Spore (depends on what you want to cripple on the opposing mon, but I generally go for charm since I go max sp def)
Leech Seed
U- Turn
-This whimsicott set really likes to come in on bulky waters and lure in heavy hitters like garchomp to then be charmed and seeded. U- turn is a great scouting tool that can really help generate a ton of momentum for you.

 

[ITSU]

use whimsicott. Use encore

I've tried out both Whimsicott and Cottonee, but i liked cottonee better. Even out of those though, i liked the togekiss set that i posted up the best, because it offers my team great support, such as wishes, and Heal Bell. It also serves as a wall, and can flinch para'd pokes.


Also, in general, i think that my rotom set should be bulkier than it is atm. I just cant really find anything. I also replaced Thunderbolt with trick to cripple something before i die.

EDIT: Looking for a bulkier Scrafty set as well.

 

[RadikuHL]

I like it but I give it a 9/10 because it seems a bit stallish.

 

[avatias0]

Looks pretty good all in all ^^
I'll go through them one by one..

Dusclops:
Pretty innovative set (especially with disable). However, it is incredibly weak to any normals with a substitute (smeargle, porygon etc), and with the lack of a fighting type this could be troublesome (Reuniclus is weak to the commonly carried shadow ball on the p-gons).

Dragonite:
Pretty solid set, although some of that speed might not be necessary if you plan on doing two dances, and may sever better in HP or Defense to help you set up.
Additionally a bulky nature may serve you better.

Ferrothorn:
What can I say, standard, proven set. Ghost/water/dragon/flying types on team to take SE hits. Kudos for ThunderWave though, one of my favourite statuses (even if for lack of gyroball..).

Rotom-W:
Possibly one of the biggest pains for my team (having no ground type), just make sure you pick your battles wisely (for the love of god, check if they have a Dugtrio (or any ground for that matter) before you spam volt switches!). Trick+Pain Split is an interesting combo but I am skeptical rotom has the bulk to pull it off.

Reuniclus:
THE biggest pain for my team (and everyone else's), just use him and you'll probably win. But then, it gives you approximately the same pleasure as hacking. Have fun ripping apart even the most prepared team.

Cottonee:
I seriously don't see the benefit of using this over Whimsicott. Both of them have equally terrible bulk, so I think a KO will happen regardless of the item. Leftovers also provides needed recovery for repeated sub+protect spams to take out something troublesome.

Pros:

• Dragonite, Reuniclus, Ferrothorn
• Relatively good type coverage
• Good Ferrothorn support

Cons:

• Cottonee
• Lack of fighting type; very normal weak. Porygon-Z could sweep almost all of your team.
• Lack of rock type. Caution: Volcaronas about!
• Lack of ground type. Weak to your own Rotom-W, as well as the many ground weak 'mons around.

Probably a little harsh, and I probably missed a few things ^^ but something to think about, at least.

I'll give it an 8.5/10

 

[ITSU]

I basically changed my entire team up, switching them out with other pokes and such, but still, it was a good rate.

Also, since i dont want this to be a "useless" bump, i have some questions about my team for you guys.

1. For scrafty, i'm having trouble with DDance vs. Bulk up Any support with this would help.

2. I'm also thinking of switching the Togekiss set back to what it originally was, switching out protect and wish with roost and thunder wave, so that my Latias could sweep easier, due to its low speed.

 

[ITSU]

Bump

 

[AB2]

Hello ITSU, this team is going to have trouble with Trick Room Reuniclus. It can easily force out a lot of your mons and set up Trick Room, messing with your offense and taking out a few team members every time it sets up. You need to watch out for NP Thundurus as well. It gets a free Nasty Plot on Togekiss and can rip through your team with ease. Nothing on this team enjoys +2 Thunderbolts and Focus Blasts, and your fastest mon can't deal enough damage to Thundurus to make it a viable check. First of all, I'd try running a Specially Defensive wish Jirachi over your Togekiss. Not only can Jirachi take down threats such as Latios and Reuniclus pretty easily, it provides great wish support for this team, which Togekiss was doing before. Jirachi also checks special threats better than Togekiss, meaning that pokemon such as Rotom-W won't annoy you as much.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Careful 252 HP | 216 SpD | 40 Spe Serene Grace
Wish | Body Slam | Iron Head | Fire Punch

Also, I'd consider running a revenge killer in order to take out Nasty Plot Thundurus, which can be a huge threat to this team. A choice Scarf Garchomp would work very well in the place of Rotom-W as it allows you to clean up pokemon that can give you some trouble such as Thundurus, Latios, and unboosted dragons. Also, Garchomp gives you an extra electric immune, which is always really nice to have around.

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Jolly 4 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spe Sand Veil
Outrage | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Fire Fang

Overall this is a cool team, gl.

 

[ITSU]

Thanks for the rate buddy!

Actually, i was thinking of replacing my Dusclops, since he doesnt really do anything for my team. I was thinking about switching the Rotom-W set to more of a bulkier set. Also, if i put in SDef Rachi, should i switch Ferro's set to Defensive>SDefensive???

So i'm definately going to do ScarfChomp>Dusclops tho, and switch the set of Rotom-W. I'll run the Rachi as well and try out Natt as a physical wall.'


This is what i switched the above sets to, and i decided that it works out better with your pokes in:

Virgin (Ferrothorn) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Leech Seed
- Stealth Rock
- Thunder Wave
- Power Whip



Kleptomaniac (Rotom-W) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split

and then i switched out Dusclops for ScarfChomp.