What If? - Alternate Timelines (AT #6 - Electric/Dark Miasmaw: Stats + Art for AT Raja 2 Voting)

Amamama's list is pretty good. I do think it's important that Volt Switch and Sucker Punch are Defining Moves- they both really lean into enabling and abusing Stakeout.

I'd like to see Zing Zap and Supercell Slam added to the list - theyre weak/unreliable, yes, but Wild Charge is just terrible and I doubt anyone will ever run it. Having these other two gives stat submissions the freedom to go fully physical, which is a nice option to have.

Lastly I think Taunt could be a valuable option here - Stakeout encourages the opponent to stay in, and if we are in against something that isn't weak to either of our STABs, setting up may be considered a better option than switching. I assume we aren't going to have insane attacking stats due to the power of Stakeout, so Kingambit, Chuggalong, Dragonite, or Raging Bolt could potentially use us as set-up opportunities.
 
back at it again
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Dawdoll
The Sprite Pokemon
Ghost/Fairy

Based on Cupid, that one Rube Goldberg machine in Ghost Trick, and haunted dolls.
 
So it seems we are kinda all in agreement that coverage for a powerful CAP like AT Miasmaw is probably safer to ixnay and just lean into the viability of our powerful STAB combo so with that, here is the defining moves list:

Required (for Physical Spreads): Electric STAB (Zing Zap, Supercell Slam), Dark STAB (Knock Off, Sucker Punch)
Required (for Special Spreads): Electric STAB (Thunderbolt), Dark STAB (Dark Pulse)
Required (for ALL Spreads): Volt Switch

Optional: Jaw Lock and U-turn (for physical spreads), Thunderclap (for special spreads), Taunt (for all/mixed spreads)
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And now we are onto stat spread submissions! Below is AT Miasmaw's Stat Limits so try your best to reasonably stay within the limits.
Limits:

Physical Sweepiness: Limit is 140
Physical Tankiness: Limit is 100
Special Sweepiness: Limit is 140
Special Tankiness: Limit is 150

BSR: Limit is 575
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I have also made some BSR penalties for those that wanna include any of the optional moves listed above.
Jaw Lock -15 BSR
U-turn -10 BSR
Thunderclap -5 BSR
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I am gonna give this stage ~72-96 hours so have fun!
 
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kenn said:
So it seems we are kinda all in agreement that coverage for a powerful CAP like AT Miasmaw is probably safer to ixnay and just lean into the viability of our powerful STAB combo so with that, here is the defining moves list:



And now we are onto stat spread submissions! Below is ST Miasmaw's Stat Limits so try your best to reasonably stay within the limits.I have also made some BSR penalties for those that wanna include any of the optional moves listed above.I am gonna give this stage ~72-96 hours so have fun!
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Is this a copypaste from Miasmaw's BSR limits? Wasn't BSR revised after Miasmaw? Should we use the old BSR formula/spreadsheet, and if so can you post a link to the old sheet? Because I'm getting a 458 BSR from something like Glalie with base 80 stats across the board.

With the new formula we wouldn't need a "mask" over the secondary attacking stat, and BSR should be normalized to average BST of all mons.
 
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I don’t think it makes sense to use the old bsr sheet, as we are trying to build for sv.
I think we should try to approximate these limits for a new bsr sheet.

These are the numbers I get when I plug in my OG Miasmaw Spread.
85 HP 135 Atk 60 Def 115 Spa 85 Spd 89 Spe 569 BST
133.59 PS 121.52 SS 70.42 PT 93.88 ST 558.92 BSR
 
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Time to sub something to provoke others to sub something.
I haven't really done any calcs, but I do find this spread incredibly funny.
If you want to prevent this sub your own
HP 130 / Atk 150 / Def 67 / SpA 170 / SpD 108 / SPE 25 (BST 650)
PS 85.24
SS 99.32
PT 99.32
ST 148.23
BSR 571.21

Ok I'm gonna do one calc bc funny
252+ Atk Stakeout Morpeko Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Equilibra: 400-472 (98 - 115.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
 
HIC, it's IC, time for a spread. I did not intend for it to look this much like regular Miasmaw but it be.

HP 99 / Atk 112 / Def 42 / SpA 105 / SpD 137 / SPE 85 (BST 580)
PS 104.84
SS 102.64
PT 58.01
ST 148.84
BSR 546.64

Spread assumes U-Turn

Here be calcs, all equally important:
252 Atk Stakeout Morpeko Supercell Slam vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Hemogoblin: 331-390 (100 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Stakeout Morpeko U-turn vs. 32 HP / 4 Def Roaring Moon: 362-428 (100.8 - 119.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+4 252+ Atk Snaelstrom Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Morpeko: 339-399 (100 - 117.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Stakeout Morpeko Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Great Tusk: 186-220 (50.1 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Cresceidon Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Morpeko: 140-168 (41.2 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
HP 104 / Atk 135 / Def 80 / SpA 116 / SpD 95 / SPE 50 (BST 580)
PS 93.80
SS 87.52
PT 99.66
ST 115.64
BSR 527.96
High offenses make AT Miasmaw a massive physical threat, being able to deal significant damage to resisted switch-ins with Stakeout, while having special offense which provides room for mixed sets that our typing incentivises. Speed is low to punish fast U-turn pivots and provides additional value to Sucker Punch. Defenses allow us to take at at least one super-effective hit in most cases but don't enable us to stay in for a significant period.
252 SpA Stakeout Morpeko Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Great Tusk: 199-234 (53.6 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Stakeout Morpeko Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Hemogoblin: 183-216 (55.2 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Stakeout Morpeko Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Equilibra: 337-397 (82.5 - 97.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Equilibra Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 100 SpD Morpeko: 234-276 (67 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
60 Atk Dragapult U-turn vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Morpeko: 102-122 (29.2 - 34.9%) -- 9.5% chance to 3HKO
0 Atk Landorus-Therian U-turn vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Morpeko: 128-152 (36.6 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
 
Okay so it has been a hot minute (irl was busy af prepping to host Thanksgiving and whatnot) but it is time for us to vote on AT Miasmaw's stats!

HP 130 / Atk 150 / Def 67 / SpA 170 / SpD 108 / SPE 25 (BST 650) by Amamama
HP 99 / Atk 112 / Def 42 / SpA 105 / SpD 137 / SPE 85 (BST 580) by Iron Crusher
HP 104 / Atk 135 / Def 80 / SpA 116 / SpD 95 / SPE 50 (BST 580) by Scepticskep

And here are the options without any formatting:

Amamama's HP 130 / Atk 150 / Def 67 / SpA 170 / SpD 108 / SPE 25 (BST 650)
Iron Crusher's HP 99 / Atk 112 / Def 42 / SpA 105 / SpD 137 / SPE 85 (BST 580)
Scepticskep's HP 104 / Atk 135 / Def 80 / SpA 116 / SpD 95 / SPE 50 (BST 580)

Reminder that it is a single bold vote!

It is also time to vote on AT Raja 2's art! Below are the options

Scepticskep's Calcelium
Yu_IOTJ's Gheite
YamiTheYin's Dawdoll

And here is the strawpoll for that!

Voting ends in ~24 hours!
 
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