"What's with all these physical dudes?" - A Gen5 OU Team

For lack of a better name, I'm just gonna quote my friend Roscoe on this one. Anyways, hi guys, this is Bowl Cut. I have a team here that needs rates, it has a few minor weaknesses after tweaking it for about a month, but I still want some good rates to make this team a lot better because, you know, we're playing competitively, why else? I have reached to about 1200 CRE on the PO server and have reached a little over 1100 CRE on the Smogon server. Why am I not higher? Hax makes pisses me off to an extent, but you know, we're playing competitively, so I am obviously going to lose some battles. I have had a lot of helpful suggestions from friends to make this team good, or at least in my opinion, considering my low standards, and it is certainly been doing very well to me in my recent battles. This team is... kind of odd I guess, as it has 4 physical Pokes, but they still seem to do a good job nonetheless. Without further ado, here is Team "What's with all these physi--" yeah, that's a long title:

Team at a Glance

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Team Building Process

Will be up soon.

First off we have physical dude #1, Gliscor!

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Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Taunt
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang

Being one of my favorite sweepers in the current metagame, and my favorite Pokemon overall at the moment, Gliscor is "the man with the plan" when facing stall teams (when Skarmory is dead, obviously). I taunt whatever my opponent has out (unless it's something that I expect has Ice Beam, in that case I would switch)/decides to switch in to, and then Swords Dance, attack, or switch out depending on the situation. Taunt may seem odd on a Poison Heal Gliscor, but trust me, it is annoying to deal with phazers (sad that it doesn't deal with Dragon Tail though), plus it helps when facing stall teams, even though I might replace it with Protect because of the ammount of Pokemon in my team that can single-handedly beat stall. This also serves as a good Excadrill/Conkeldurr/Terrakion switch in (unless it's Swords Dancing Terrakion, Gliscor doesn't like taking +2 STAB Stone Edges from a Donphan on steroids).

Up next we have physical dude #2, Blaziken!

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Blaziken (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Speed Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Hi Jump Kick
- Flare Blitz
- Stone Edge

After about 2 pages of sexually related Blaziken pictures, I have found a neat looking Blaziken portrait or whatever. This is your standard Swords Dance Blaziken in Gen5. After one Swords Dance, it is going to take a huge dump on any team that doesn't have a Slowbro, or Reuniclus, or anything that has a good physical defense stat that resists at least one of Blaziken's STAB moves. I like to lead with Blaziken when I see that my opponent's team is VERY weak to it and proceed to wreck teams unless Hi Jump Kick hax kicks in (unintentional pun) and then Blaziken will be forced to die a painful and tragic death. Still, to this day, Blaziken gets killed by pretty much any boosted priority move that it doesn't resist, or any strong move that it doesn't resist in general, so it is not as easy as you think it is to pull off a sweep with the Blazin Kickin Chicken. Despite its flaws, it is a great sweeper and an effective stallbreaker, after one Swords Dance.

Opponent sent out Reuniclus!
Bowl Cut sent out Blaziken!

Bowl Cut called Blaziken back!
Bowl Cut sent out Scizor!

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(Hot damn, it's a huge image, but... damn, it's HOT)

Scizor (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Roost

Specially defensive Scizor is my main Reuniclus check, and it also handles Terrakion very nicely. The moveset is self explanatory, Swords Dance for that extra boost if I ever need it, Bullet Punch is there mainly for Terrakion obviously, but it works well in killing Reuniclus off when Trick Room is up and I am about to die. Bug Bite is mainly for Reuniclus, but it does a good enough check to Slowbro in case I have to switch it in to one. Finally, Roost is there for the obligatory recovery and it lengthens Scizor's life significantly.

Finally, physical dude #4 is up next. It is none other than Ferrothorn!

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Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip

Not exactly "none other", but you know, it's my RMT, damnit. Ferrothorn is the main supporter in the team as it helps out by setting up the necessary hazards against the opponent, and at the same time bait other Ferrothorn to come in and resist the incoming Leech Seed, except it's not even there, or that or bait something that I can safely switch into one of the four sweepers in my team and just wreck havoc early game, while not being the best idea, it is certainly a lot more effective than it was back in Gen4. Ferrothorn doesn't really do much besides setting up hazards and spamming it's dual STAB which is resisted only by Fire and Steel types (I'm probably missing one), but like I said, it is meant to be a supporter. I have both Spikes and Stealth Rocks primarily to limit the times that the opponent can switch around, even though I am considering Leech Seed because otherwise Ferrothorn won't have any way to recover itself bar Leftovers.

Now that we got all the physical dudes out of the way, let's get to the special-ed dudes.

umad bro? I SLOW SON.

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Slowbro (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regeneration
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Slack Off
- Surf
- Flamethrower
- Thunder Wave

Notice the HUGE Blaziken weakness in my team. I obviously need something to stop it. I found a certain Pokemon fishing by Lake Noonecares and little did I know it, it started to evolve when a Shelder bit its tail! Slowbro is one of the best things to switch into a Blaziken as it resists both of it's STABs and hits it with a Super Effective move. Something else that this Pokemon has that caught me off guard was Flamethrower. I did not know that this thing could use it as a child and only learned recently (and by recently I mean back in my D/P days). Flamethrower is there for an obvious reason: to murder Ferrothorn. I know it does a little over half after one Flamethrower, but considering most things in my team can easily switch into a Ferrothorn and kill it, I think I am good to go. Slack Off and Thunder Wave are there for self recovery and team support. I can cripple whatever decides to switch into Slowbro, because I know my opponent isn't dumb enough to leave a Blaziken in and hope for a crit. All in all, this is a pretty cool Pokemon, especially with Regenerator/Regeneration.

For the lack of a better picture that isn't the size of the one I got for Scizor's, I got a standard Thundurus picture because I couldn't find anything cool looking that wasn't over 600x400 for example.

So yeah, last dude in the team is Thundurus!

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Thundurus (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Mischievous Heart
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast

This is another great sweeper this generation, and it handles one of Blaziken's most feared switch ins, Slowbro. It also takes the Lati siblings out, too. I usually sent this thing into Ferrothorns or something that I know can't hurt me at all, and I set up a Nasty Plot on the switch or just attack depending on what I think my opponent will do. Thunderbolt is a strong STAB move that, after a Nasty Plot, does like 40% to a Blissey, which is fascinating to say the least. Hidden Power Ice is obviously for the Ground or Dragon types that are immune or resist Thunderbolt. Focus Blast is there mainly for Ferrothorn. This is also probably the best BoltBeamer in the game at the moment, or maybe a tie between Thundurus and Starmie, because they can both be hard to handle and are both really fast. Sad that Thundurus is checked by Starmie.​

Conclusion: I am probably very weak to a few of the common threats in today's metagame, so I would like all the positive rates as possible to make this a really good team. In the end, I consider this a solid team already, but like I said, I want rates. :)

With all this being said, I'm out.
 
Hi Dan,

this is a very solid team and I've seen you perform well with it. I'll leave a large, more detailed rate to LK since he knows alot more about fifth gen than me, but with my limited BW knowledge I see that you're in danger of being swept by Dragon Dance Scrafty. It can set up on Gliscor, who won't want to Taunt it for fear of Ice Punch, or (more likely) on Ferrothorn, who can't really do that much damage to it. A quick fix is to run Thunder Wave over Nasty Plot on Thundurus - it doesn't really get room to set up NPs and with a Life Orb you really don't need any extra power, as often you'll just find yourself ripping through teams without requiring the help of a boost. With Mischievous Heart giving your non-attacking moves priority, you will always get the Thunder Wave off no matter how many boosts it gets (although it shouldn't get more than one - it'll come in on Ferrothorn, so you switch to Thundurus expecting the fighting move / a boost and then either attack with Focus Blast if it Bulks Up / uses a fighting move or Thunder Wave if it Dragon Dances).

One last fix: I'd run ThunderPunch over Stone Edge on Blaziken, a Taunt+Will-O-Wisp Jellicent gives you some trouble and you can just wreck it with a boosted T-Punch on the switchin, greatly benefitting the rest of your team. Stone Edge is nice and all for the likes of Lati@s and Salamence, but you have them covered well enough with the rest of your team.

Very good team, good luck.
 
Hi Dan,

this is a very solid team and I've seen you perform well with it. I'll leave a large, more detailed rate to LK since he knows alot more about fifth gen than me, but with my limited BW knowledge I see that you're in danger of being swept by Dragon Dance Scrafty. It can set up on Gliscor, who won't want to Taunt it for fear of Ice Punch, or (more likely) on Ferrothorn, who can't really do that much damage to it. A quick fix is to run Thunder Wave over Nasty Plot on Thundurus - it doesn't really get room to set up NPs and with a Life Orb you really don't need any extra power, as often you'll just find yourself ripping through teams without requiring the help of a boost. With Mischievous Heart giving your non-attacking moves priority, you will always get the Thunder Wave off no matter how many boosts it gets (although it shouldn't get more than one - it'll come in on Ferrothorn, so you switch to Thundurus expecting the fighting move / a boost and then either attack with Focus Blast if it Bulks Up / uses a fighting move or Thunder Wave if it Dragon Dances).

One last fix: I'd run ThunderPunch over Stone Edge on Blaziken, a Taunt+Will-O-Wisp Jellicent gives you some trouble and you can just wreck it with a boosted T-Punch on the switchin, greatly benefitting the rest of your team. Stone Edge is nice and all for the likes of Lati@s and Salamence, but you have them covered well enough with the rest of your team.

Very good team, good luck.

I appreciate the rate, Kevin.

I was gonna go like "OMG SHED SKIN DURRRRR" and then I realised "Oh, right, Scrafty also gets Moxie", so yes. I will definitely consider Thunder Wave over Nasty Plot. I guess ThunderPunch is a viable option, and since you are a good friend of mine as well as a great battler, I will try that out and see if it works out in my favor.

Thanks.

EDIT: Blaziken can't have Speed Boost and ThunderPunch :(
 
Coincidence, I'm using the same movesets on a Gliscor and Scizor in my main gen5 team atm. Do you find the speed EVs help Gliscor much? I run it without much speed and nearly max defence, and it does a much better job of dealing with physical threats like Terrakion, Excadrill etc. If you're main aim is to sweep against stall with it, the speed EVs don't seem like they'd help much.

I'm new to rating entirely, but on thinking about it for a couple of mins it seems your team would have trouble dealing with a Blaziken set similar to the one you're using, especially if it manages a Swords Dance, say when you're switching Scizor out. All your team would be outsped and KOed by the right move except maybe your Rotom/Gliscor (haven't done the calcs, but they feel like they'd be KOed by High Jump Kick and Flare Blitz respectively). I'd be tempted to suggest a Slowbro over your Rotom Washer:


Slowbro (Leftovers): 252 HP, 252 def, Bold Nature.
Ability: Regeneration

Surf
Flamethrower
Slack off
Status move (probably thunder wave)

This guy reliably switches into Blaziken, spreads status around, and just generally never dies. In keeping with your Rotom's theme, it also lures in Ferrethorn then 2HKOs it with Flamethrower.

Anyway, nice team, good luck with it.
 
Coincidence, I'm using the same movesets on a Gliscor and Scizor in my main gen5 team atm. Do you find the speed EVs help Gliscor much? I run it without much speed and nearly max defence, and it does a much better job of dealing with physical threats like Terrakion, Excadrill etc. If you're main aim is to sweep against stall with it, the speed EVs don't seem like they'd help much.

I'm new to rating entirely, but on thinking about it for a couple of mins it seems your team would have trouble dealing with a Blaziken set similar to the one you're using, especially if it manages a Swords Dance, say when you're switching Scizor out. All your team would be outsped and KOed by the right move except maybe your Rotom/Gliscor (haven't done the calcs, but they feel like they'd be KOed by High Jump Kick and Flare Blitz respectively). I'd be tempted to suggest a Slowbro over your Rotom Washer:


Slowbro (Leftovers): 252 HP, 252 def, Bold Nature.
Ability: Regeneration

Surf
Flamethrower
Slack off
Status move (probably thunder wave)

This guy reliably switches into Blaziken, spreads status around, and just generally never dies. In keeping with your Rotom's theme, it also lures in Ferrethorn then 2HKOs it with Flamethrower.

Anyway, nice team, good luck with it.

My team IS very Blaziken weak so substituting Slowbro over Rotom-W is definitely a solid move and will be taken to consideration. I'll try running defense EVs on Gliscor and see how that works out. Also Gliscor isn't KO'd by a +2 Flare Blitz iirc, however I won't be taking the risk of something uncommon to pop up in front of me like Air Balloon Blaziken or something.

Since you're new to rating, I assume this is probably your first rate, and I can tell you that you are pretty good at it for a first.

Regardless, thanks for the rate. :)
 
Hi, I hope you remember me, I think if Natoorei is down specs/LO or even any latios might give your team some trouble along with offensive rotom wash [with HP fire of course. True scizor can take on latios but not 2HKO it [36.8-43.7%] and it can just take you out with HP fire and it can easily be predicted to come in. Rotom helps here but rotom can't do much to latios. I Think putting Thunder Wave on thundurus will help a lot in dealing with latios. You also lack a spin blocker but since you have great counters to spinners you should be good. Cloyster might also give you trouble but not much.
 
I've been laddering for a while on the PO server and went down to 1100ish CRE, which kind of sucked, but then I tried a new spread on Gliscor and a Slowbro over Rotom Wash and both changes worked nicely. Expect updates soon enough.
 
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