It really is a lot more interesting and broader than most people give it credit for ... it has loads of possibilities, new sets of non-Uber Pokemon, etc.
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Why isn't there more attention to the Uber Metagame?
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To me the reason seems to be that it's not as accesible as OU. Most people learn OU first and don't want to go through the process of learning a new metagame. Also great IV's Ubers are harder to come by. As hard as people try, SR'd Ubers are never going to have as good IV's as bred pokes.
On that note, I would be willing to learn the uber metagame, and was concidering seeking an tutor to teach me ubers when the tutor system is up and running again.
On that note, I would be willing to learn the uber metagame, and was concidering seeking an tutor to teach me ubers when the tutor system is up and running again.
If you can't breed for them, then it's really just luck of a draw. SR is dull. Yeah, less accessible, I suppose.
UU I find the most appealing, because it has such bizarre and interesting Pokemon available. Sure, it has its standards too, but I find UU has the most versatility.
You can claim Uber is very versatile, but I think most people have a good grip on just how versatile and unpredictable Uber is: Not much, relative to the other tiers.
UU I find the most appealing, because it has such bizarre and interesting Pokemon available. Sure, it has its standards too, but I find UU has the most versatility.
You can claim Uber is very versatile, but I think most people have a good grip on just how versatile and unpredictable Uber is: Not much, relative to the other tiers.
Many people feel it's an unbalanced metagame. Noobs spamming ubers also tends to give a negative image of ubers.
And everyone knows power is inversely related to coolness most of the time in Pokemon.
And everyone knows power is inversely related to coolness most of the time in Pokemon.
*Waits for Jibaku to come in and tell you just how unpredictable Ubers are*
I have $20 on him using the exact words "Just one turn/move can change the entire battle" Give or take a bit...
I'm a lover of the Uber Metagame, twas the first I learnt and first I played in D/P. Even though Ubers mostly need to be reset'd for and not bred for, the whole affair has been made easier through WiFi and stationary synchronizing.
I'm actually finding a growing increase in Ubers, starting around the same time as the OU Stall period... Interesting, lol.
Also, whereas lower Tiers generally have larger amounts of pokemon, most rely on 2 or 3 different movesets, whilst an Uber, classified for large stat-ranges and exceedingly diverse movepools can run 5, 6 even 7 different sets. Some sets are played/countered completely differently, making up for the lack of "diversity" in pokemon choice.
I'm actually finding a growing increase in Ubers, starting around the same time as the OU Stall period... Interesting, lol.
Also, whereas lower Tiers generally have larger amounts of pokemon, most rely on 2 or 3 different movesets, whilst an Uber, classified for large stat-ranges and exceedingly diverse movepools can run 5, 6 even 7 different sets. Some sets are played/countered completely differently, making up for the lack of "diversity" in pokemon choice.
Jrrr, that battle me and him had was great.
I'm afraid that for me it's a case of simple disinterest ... I much prefer the weird and wonderful denizens that inhabit the lower end of the pokemon spectrum.
Of course this situation has not been helped by the steady stream of moronic nubs who, for whatever reason, think that I want to battle their insanely powerful superfreaks with Noctowl and Magcargo.
These idiots then, typically, have the nerve to get arsey with me when I point out that I really don't want to, and perhaps they would be better actually asking for battles with other Uber users.
Sadly this has led to the creation and perpetuation of a negative stereotype for Uber players in my mind.
That being said I have on occaison watched some of the more intelligent and skilled Uber battlers play, and found it more entertaining than watching the OU metagame.
Of course this situation has not been helped by the steady stream of moronic nubs who, for whatever reason, think that I want to battle their insanely powerful superfreaks with Noctowl and Magcargo.
These idiots then, typically, have the nerve to get arsey with me when I point out that I really don't want to, and perhaps they would be better actually asking for battles with other Uber users.
Sadly this has led to the creation and perpetuation of a negative stereotype for Uber players in my mind.
That being said I have on occaison watched some of the more intelligent and skilled Uber battlers play, and found it more entertaining than watching the OU metagame.
I don't really see how its not balanced. It's got a smaller group of pokemon that are viable, and that's because of the nature of the metagame. But its not like one single strategy or team rules over the others. Yes, its less about tricks, themes and other tactics that are useful in OU and UU, but its still very much about building a good team, making good switches and predicting your opponents moves.
Overall I would say that's a balanced game, if lacking somewhat in variety.
Overall I would say that's a balanced game, if lacking somewhat in variety.
This was going to be my sentiment. Uber's Meta effectively allows any and everything in-game, really stilting the balance and cutting off a lot of channels of what is/isn't playable.
It's not unheard of for a Beedrill, for example, to go into an OU battle and actually do something. UU/NU (and a good number of OU) Pokemon are mostly all outclassed by most Ubers. Why use Aerodactyl when you have a Deoxys that's faster and does more damage? Why use Ludicolo when Lugia is better in almost every respect as a tank and wall?
Obviously, as many people have also said, there is the problem of catching an Uber that in other Metas you could breed for. It's not unheard of to have a quad or greater flawless or with a given HP Pokemon in OU. A quad+ flawless Kyogre requires statistically tens of thousands of soft resets. Even a double flawless, ignoring nature, requires a good number of resets.
If someone were to run a "Uber" ladder on a server on Shoddy, its popularity would explode. Same with uu.
It's just, as someone already mentioned, OU is more accessible, and therefore more popular.
But, like I said, if someone (say you) were to start up a server and then hold a "Uber" ladder, trust me, you would see the popularity of that metagame explode.
It's just, as someone already mentioned, OU is more accessible, and therefore more popular.
But, like I said, if someone (say you) were to start up a server and then hold a "Uber" ladder, trust me, you would see the popularity of that metagame explode.
You've never played Ubers at all have you ._.
I think your examples are pretty interesting. While I don't have nearly as much experience with DP Ubers as I do with RSE, I know that Ludicolo used to be used as a sweeper in conjunction with Kyogre. Now that he has Grass Knot in addition to Surf and Ice Beam, I would imagine he's even more dangerous this generation.
I used Aerodactyl in Advance because he was faster than everything in Ubers not named Mewtwo and Deoxy, and as opposed to Mewtwo and Deoxys, his STAB didn't suck. This generation he gets Crunch and Life Orb, as well as Stone Edge giving him a stronger STAB. I don't see why he can't still be used, provided the user keeps a lookout for Deoxys.
In fact, there's a huge fallacy that because pokemon in Ubers are stronger, only strong pokemon can compete. In fact, it's just the contrary; thanks to weather changers like Kyogre and Groudon, and stat passers like Mew, even pokemon not normally seen in OU have a fighting chance.
Well, I never played Ubers since, well, I didn't really like most of the Ubers with the exception of Mew and Latias. Yeah, I know it's a weird ass reason. The main reason, though, is probably because I have no idea how the metagame is supposed to work so I don't know how to build a team for one. If I could learn the metagame, I'd gladly participate in it.
My friends and i like to play ubers more than anything else (not really sure what the other stuff means). I'll post my team i use so you guys can see.
Kyogre level 100 / Rayquaza level 100 / Goundeon level 100 / Shiny mewtwo level 100 / Cacturne Level 100 / Palkia Level 100
Kyogre level 100 / Rayquaza level 100 / Goundeon level 100 / Shiny mewtwo level 100 / Cacturne Level 100 / Palkia Level 100
Umm yea thats not a team, a team consists of moves, nature, evs.
Waiting for the flame parade
*gets nachos*
I played Ubers a little bit, and really my biggest problems are the ones that were just mentioned here:
- Lack of availability. SR is ass to begin with.
- Very, VERY unbalanced. Deoxys-A, Swords Dance + Extremespeed Arceus, Mewtwo, Darkrai... the list goes on and on. Sure you can use Pokemon to counter them like Giratina and Lugia, but how long will that last?
- A bit overhyped by noobs. I am not kidding. One thing I hate about my friend is that he likes to use Dialga / Rayquaza / Groudon / three other random Pokemon against OU, sometimes UU Pokemon nevertheless. Legendaries are acceptable I'll admit, but Ubers it can piss me off.
OU is a bit more balanced. Not to the degree that you can counter everything, but somewhat close. UU is pretty fun to play with, and I don't know if NU is even... touched.
Best Uber Moveset that I liked (Phuquoph actually showed it to me on my Ubers topic) was Thunder Wave + Swords Dance Groudon. It rocked my socks off.
- Lack of availability. SR is ass to begin with.
- Very, VERY unbalanced. Deoxys-A, Swords Dance + Extremespeed Arceus, Mewtwo, Darkrai... the list goes on and on. Sure you can use Pokemon to counter them like Giratina and Lugia, but how long will that last?
- A bit overhyped by noobs. I am not kidding. One thing I hate about my friend is that he likes to use Dialga / Rayquaza / Groudon / three other random Pokemon against OU, sometimes UU Pokemon nevertheless. Legendaries are acceptable I'll admit, but Ubers it can piss me off.
OU is a bit more balanced. Not to the degree that you can counter everything, but somewhat close. UU is pretty fun to play with, and I don't know if NU is even... touched.
Best Uber Moveset that I liked (Phuquoph actually showed it to me on my Ubers topic) was Thunder Wave + Swords Dance Groudon. It rocked my socks off.
