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NOC WikiMafia 2 Game Thread [Day 2]
- Thread starter Celever
- Start date
EoD1
thechickening (8) - Dead by Daylight, phoopes, Tommy, AirC, pulsar512b, HydrogenHydreigon, a fairy, Psy
genisu (2) - Peum, Evie
saberslasher11 (1) - StupidFlandrs48
bluedoom (1) - realiti
Psy (1) - bluedoom
StupidFlandrs48 (1) - des121
ShyPebble (1) - genisu
des121 (1) - saberslasher11
Not Voting (4) - ShyPebble, thechickening, liquidrelief, Blizihguh
thechickening (8) - Dead by Daylight, phoopes, Tommy, AirC, pulsar512b, HydrogenHydreigon, a fairy, Psy
genisu (2) - Peum, Evie
saberslasher11 (1) - StupidFlandrs48
bluedoom (1) - realiti
Psy (1) - bluedoom
StupidFlandrs48 (1) - des121
ShyPebble (1) - genisu
des121 (1) - saberslasher11
Not Voting (4) - ShyPebble, thechickening, liquidrelief, Blizihguh
thechickening received a majority of the votes and has therefore died.
Night 1 begins now and will last 24 hours
Dear thechickening,
You are Tom Nook.
Tom Nook is a capitalist. As would be expected of a capitalist, he therefore has no moral code or ethics, and is keen to exploit anyone he deems beneath him for all they’re worth. And to a megalomaniac like Tom Nook, everyone is beneath him. Let’s all thank Nintendo for teaching children about the ills of capitalism, because journalists sure don’t, and kids from ignorant families need to get this education from somewhere!
Passive 1: Redistributive Wealth]
Listen, it’s not your fault the world works this way, it’s just how it is. You got born with the wealth, so more wealth is simply your birthright, right? Sure, the proletariat might be allowed to get degrees now, but they work for you, so their knowledge is basically your knowledge.
If a player targets you with an ability you have learned the name of via Active 1: Landlord, or that you have witnessed them using via Active 2: Credit Check, you will receive a one-shot use of this ability.
[Active 1: Landlord]
There’s nothing wrong with housing being privatised, trust. Like yeah, the right to shelter is protected by the UN, but that’s the Government’s problem. If people don’t want to pay up, they can find somewhere else to live. Your properties are yours, that’s why you build em, or buy em from other people who already built em, pretty much the same thing. Makes the world go round, etc. etc..
At night you may target a player with “Buy [PLAYER1]’s House”. You will become PLAYER1’s landlord, and thus it’s only fair that you now surveille their property. Because, y’know, what if they get a pet? You charge extra for that. As a result of this surveillance, you will learn the identities of anyone who visits PLAYER1 tonight.
[Active 2: Credit Check]
Money can be used in two ways. It can be used to buy stuff, and it can also be used to sell stuff. Or, I mean, in the case of being a landlord, people aren’t really buying anything from you, they’re just forced to give you money or you’ll make them homeless. It’s more like blackmail, really. Uhhh but your role’s designed in a your first Active ability is the “buy” component and this one’s the “sell” component, so we’ll ignore that.
At night you may target a player with “Credit Check [PLAYER1]”. PLAYER1, having come to you for a mortgage, has also obviously given you permission to investigate them a little bit. As a result, you will learn the name of one of PLAYER1’s Active abilities, determined at random. Furthermore, if the ability is currently locked, you will learn its unlock condition.
You are Town. You win when all mafia are dead.
You are Tom Nook.
Tom Nook is a capitalist. As would be expected of a capitalist, he therefore has no moral code or ethics, and is keen to exploit anyone he deems beneath him for all they’re worth. And to a megalomaniac like Tom Nook, everyone is beneath him. Let’s all thank Nintendo for teaching children about the ills of capitalism, because journalists sure don’t, and kids from ignorant families need to get this education from somewhere!
Passive 1: Redistributive Wealth]
Listen, it’s not your fault the world works this way, it’s just how it is. You got born with the wealth, so more wealth is simply your birthright, right? Sure, the proletariat might be allowed to get degrees now, but they work for you, so their knowledge is basically your knowledge.
If a player targets you with an ability you have learned the name of via Active 1: Landlord, or that you have witnessed them using via Active 2: Credit Check, you will receive a one-shot use of this ability.
[Active 1: Landlord]
There’s nothing wrong with housing being privatised, trust. Like yeah, the right to shelter is protected by the UN, but that’s the Government’s problem. If people don’t want to pay up, they can find somewhere else to live. Your properties are yours, that’s why you build em, or buy em from other people who already built em, pretty much the same thing. Makes the world go round, etc. etc..
At night you may target a player with “Buy [PLAYER1]’s House”. You will become PLAYER1’s landlord, and thus it’s only fair that you now surveille their property. Because, y’know, what if they get a pet? You charge extra for that. As a result of this surveillance, you will learn the identities of anyone who visits PLAYER1 tonight.
[Active 2: Credit Check]
Money can be used in two ways. It can be used to buy stuff, and it can also be used to sell stuff. Or, I mean, in the case of being a landlord, people aren’t really buying anything from you, they’re just forced to give you money or you’ll make them homeless. It’s more like blackmail, really. Uhhh but your role’s designed in a your first Active ability is the “buy” component and this one’s the “sell” component, so we’ll ignore that.
At night you may target a player with “Credit Check [PLAYER1]”. PLAYER1, having come to you for a mortgage, has also obviously given you permission to investigate them a little bit. As a result, you will learn the name of one of PLAYER1’s Active abilities, determined at random. Furthermore, if the ability is currently locked, you will learn its unlock condition.
You are Town. You win when all mafia are dead.
Night 1 begins now and will last 24 hours
BTW
If you're unable to target yourself, your ability should say "another" player. It is possible I missed cases where you can't self-target and I forgot to add "nother" to the end of "a".
If an ability doesn't say "another" then you should be able to self-target, but if you attempt to self-target please provide a backup target as well and I'll confirm if you're allowed to or not ASAP.
This was supposed to be in the game design notes too
If you're unable to target yourself, your ability should say "another" player. It is possible I missed cases where you can't self-target and I forgot to add "nother" to the end of "a".
If an ability doesn't say "another" then you should be able to self-target, but if you attempt to self-target please provide a backup target as well and I'll confirm if you're allowed to or not ASAP.
This was supposed to be in the game design notes too
Day 2 Start
Evie died last night
Day 2 starts now and will last uhhh 47 hours 30 mins
Evie died last night
Dear Evie,
You are Absurdism.
Epistemology is lowk my favourite school of philosophy so we love a bit of absurdism. Absurdism itself isn’t really the best brand of existentialism (though Kierkegaard is the GOAT in general) but it is, in itself, kind of an absurd theory. Everything about existence that supplies absurdism with its premises -- the innate chaos and non-sensicality of the world, the diagnosis of human behaviour being futile but not felt as such -- pre-dated absurdism far beyond the chain that most philosophers grant it. Chaotic existence is the premise that resulted in pantheonic belief systems, which is where human philosophy first began; the futility of human behaviour meanwhile is the condition that humans have almost always operated under and therefore underpins every belief system besides teleological or monotheistic ones, as they aim to skirt the issue. Absurdism’s never really been anything new, which makes its own existence as a new-age philosophy pointless despite seeming pretty rational, and I suppose that’s more evidence it’s correct than anything else.
[Passive 1: Perspective Begets Reason]
The reason Kierkegaard’s the GOAT is he understood this. The core, over-simplified, syllogism of absurdism upon which the rest of it is built is:
Premise 1: Humans are rational
Premise 2: The world isn’t rational
Conclusion: That’s absurd
But only under Kierkegaard’s understanding of rationality can absurdism be practical. It’s true that humans attempt to reason, but while most philosophers think humans are actually able to do this, the good absurdists understand that reason is itself strictly restricted. Humans can only reason with reasons they know, and knowledge is critiqued via the reason already available to humans. The circularity of this is how cognitive feedback loops arise, and that is inescapable.
As the embodiment of understanding the limits of rationality, you also screw with everyone else’s. On odd nights, if somebody targets you with an investigative ability, their ability will either be incorrect (if it is simple to do so, such as an alignment cop stating you are the opposite alignment), or fail entirely if the ability cannot easily be incorrect (such as a rolecop). This is the highest priority modifier, and so any modifier that would generally ensure, for example, correct results or that the ability cannot fail, will be ineffective against your absurdity. On even nights, this passive ability does nothing, and investigative results will operate as usual.
[Active 1: Incommensurability (Other People)]
I love this word. Commensurate effectively just means compatible, but somewhere along the line it completely replaced the word compatible in my mind (aside from tech), so now I sound like a dickhead whenever I use the word in casual conversation. But I can’t help it. Anyway, Kierkegaard’s use of commensurability was particularly prevalent within his epistemological theory and, resultantly, anthropological theory. Because epistemology and anthropology are essentially the same thing, as long as you have requisite understanding of both. Particularly it concerns human relationships and society, since most relationships in our lives can be boiled down to the commensurability of our existing reason and beliefs with the other agent. Understanding this, sadly, hasn’t been effective for me on Grindr. “Hey baby I think we’re commensurate wanna meet up?” doesn’t seem to be a good pickup line, for some reason.
At night you may target another player with “Night X -- Win The Game This Is A Broken Ability [PLAYER1]”. You will use your broken ability against PLAYER1 and win the game on sight. Unfortunately, the language game you operate under is incommensurate with PLAYER1, and resultantly your action will have no actual effect. Your target will, however, learn that you targeted them last night by receiving the following message: “Evie visited you last night.”.
[Active 2: Incommensurability (Existence)]
Uhhhh this one’s dark, but you chose absurdism so wcyd. One of the main attempts from teleological philosophy to discredit absurdism has always been that if existence is futile, why not just kill yourself. This argument is total cope from those who’ve bought into a theory of ultimate meaning and purpose, and is basically just a “no ur wrong” because they don’t want to engage at all with the theory that they might not be completely correct, and absurdism’s weaknesses (the rationalism part) cannot be challenged by teleological philosophy because they also believe in human rationalism. But since absurdism itself doesn’t really engage with the pragmatic -- you have other brands of existentialism like humanitarianism and nihilism for that -- they never really came up with a good counter-argument. So you get it as an ability.
At night you may target yourself with “Night X -- idk die I guess”. You will not kill yourself, because I’m qualified in self-harm and suicide prevention and risk management and so I’m fundamentally not going to put an ability that does that in a game. However, you will act as though you are doing that. As a result, if your target gets modified in some way (such as through a bus driver, redirector, etc.) you will kill whoever replaces yourself as the target of this ability.
You are Town. You win when all mafia are dead.
You are Absurdism.
Epistemology is lowk my favourite school of philosophy so we love a bit of absurdism. Absurdism itself isn’t really the best brand of existentialism (though Kierkegaard is the GOAT in general) but it is, in itself, kind of an absurd theory. Everything about existence that supplies absurdism with its premises -- the innate chaos and non-sensicality of the world, the diagnosis of human behaviour being futile but not felt as such -- pre-dated absurdism far beyond the chain that most philosophers grant it. Chaotic existence is the premise that resulted in pantheonic belief systems, which is where human philosophy first began; the futility of human behaviour meanwhile is the condition that humans have almost always operated under and therefore underpins every belief system besides teleological or monotheistic ones, as they aim to skirt the issue. Absurdism’s never really been anything new, which makes its own existence as a new-age philosophy pointless despite seeming pretty rational, and I suppose that’s more evidence it’s correct than anything else.
[Passive 1: Perspective Begets Reason]
The reason Kierkegaard’s the GOAT is he understood this. The core, over-simplified, syllogism of absurdism upon which the rest of it is built is:
Premise 1: Humans are rational
Premise 2: The world isn’t rational
Conclusion: That’s absurd
But only under Kierkegaard’s understanding of rationality can absurdism be practical. It’s true that humans attempt to reason, but while most philosophers think humans are actually able to do this, the good absurdists understand that reason is itself strictly restricted. Humans can only reason with reasons they know, and knowledge is critiqued via the reason already available to humans. The circularity of this is how cognitive feedback loops arise, and that is inescapable.
As the embodiment of understanding the limits of rationality, you also screw with everyone else’s. On odd nights, if somebody targets you with an investigative ability, their ability will either be incorrect (if it is simple to do so, such as an alignment cop stating you are the opposite alignment), or fail entirely if the ability cannot easily be incorrect (such as a rolecop). This is the highest priority modifier, and so any modifier that would generally ensure, for example, correct results or that the ability cannot fail, will be ineffective against your absurdity. On even nights, this passive ability does nothing, and investigative results will operate as usual.
[Active 1: Incommensurability (Other People)]
I love this word. Commensurate effectively just means compatible, but somewhere along the line it completely replaced the word compatible in my mind (aside from tech), so now I sound like a dickhead whenever I use the word in casual conversation. But I can’t help it. Anyway, Kierkegaard’s use of commensurability was particularly prevalent within his epistemological theory and, resultantly, anthropological theory. Because epistemology and anthropology are essentially the same thing, as long as you have requisite understanding of both. Particularly it concerns human relationships and society, since most relationships in our lives can be boiled down to the commensurability of our existing reason and beliefs with the other agent. Understanding this, sadly, hasn’t been effective for me on Grindr. “Hey baby I think we’re commensurate wanna meet up?” doesn’t seem to be a good pickup line, for some reason.
At night you may target another player with “Night X -- Win The Game This Is A Broken Ability [PLAYER1]”. You will use your broken ability against PLAYER1 and win the game on sight. Unfortunately, the language game you operate under is incommensurate with PLAYER1, and resultantly your action will have no actual effect. Your target will, however, learn that you targeted them last night by receiving the following message: “Evie visited you last night.”.
[Active 2: Incommensurability (Existence)]
Uhhhh this one’s dark, but you chose absurdism so wcyd. One of the main attempts from teleological philosophy to discredit absurdism has always been that if existence is futile, why not just kill yourself. This argument is total cope from those who’ve bought into a theory of ultimate meaning and purpose, and is basically just a “no ur wrong” because they don’t want to engage at all with the theory that they might not be completely correct, and absurdism’s weaknesses (the rationalism part) cannot be challenged by teleological philosophy because they also believe in human rationalism. But since absurdism itself doesn’t really engage with the pragmatic -- you have other brands of existentialism like humanitarianism and nihilism for that -- they never really came up with a good counter-argument. So you get it as an ability.
At night you may target yourself with “Night X -- idk die I guess”. You will not kill yourself, because I’m qualified in self-harm and suicide prevention and risk management and so I’m fundamentally not going to put an ability that does that in a game. However, you will act as though you are doing that. As a result, if your target gets modified in some way (such as through a bus driver, redirector, etc.) you will kill whoever replaces yourself as the target of this ability.
You are Town. You win when all mafia are dead.
Day 2 starts now and will last uhhh 47 hours 30 mins
Oh I guess ping everyone
BTW if you were expecting to receive results and didn't receive any PM me
pulsar512b a fairy Tommy StupidFlandrs48 ShyPebble Dead by Daylight AirC des121 phoopes genisu liquidrelief Blizihguh bluedoom Psypsypsypsypsythe saberslasher11 Peum realiti HydrogenHydreigon
BTW if you were expecting to receive results and didn't receive any PM me
pulsar512b a fairy Tommy StupidFlandrs48 ShyPebble Dead by Daylight AirC des121 phoopes genisu liquidrelief Blizihguh bluedoom Psypsypsypsypsythe saberslasher11 Peum realiti HydrogenHydreigon
Why?
I don't have much experience with millers in NOC, but isn't it a bad play to NK them as scum?
i think it was a safe kill, and nobody cced the claim so they were the most towny person we had(technically)
prove it :)
##VOTE: genisu
responding to flandrs, psy, and anybody else who thought i was being sketchy: I already thought of voting bluedoom earlier in the thread (and basically agree with tommy's read on him) + EoD1 was basically what I predicted would happen
Anywayyyyyyyyy I am either going to vote somewhere on the chickening wagon today, or vote for saber/genisu, and I would be suspicious of anyone that goes somewhere else. Another one of those blatantly rancid EoD pushes makes our job a little easier on D2.
You're like the third-towniest person on the PL for that now tbhresponding to flandrs, psy, and anybody else who thought i was being sketchy: I already thought of voting bluedoom earlier in the thread (and basically agree with tommy's read on him) + EoD1 was basically what I predicted would happen
this is over half the game, i dont see how this pool would have a much higher chance of hitting scum than voting ppl off the wagon given chickening was a consensus vote and saber/genius are posting fine in my eyes. seems very level 1