ORAS OU Will-o-bvious(1300+)

Dexcel · Nov 11, 2015

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Dexcel · Nov 11, 2015

SlaySlenderDragon XD said:
I'll try my best to rate this while keeping your "guidelines" intact.

- Mega Sableye usually has the role of being nice utility or pursuing to sweep with Calm Mind later in the match. As for the looks of the Sableye on the team I would fall much better under the role of Support/Utility over Sweeper.

Sableye @ Sablenite
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 84 SpD
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
- Recover
- Toxic / Taunt

Sableye can take hits from the likes of Gengar, Mega Metagross and a bunch of other threats while doing its role properly.

Knock Off helps to cripple opponents like an Azumarill who wants to belly drum or remove Rocky Helmet from Garchomp and Landorus

Will-o-Wisp helps deal with Physical attackers and stall out when it is needed.

Recover for getting HP back.

Toxic pressures opponents to not set up on you since Mega Sableye is bulky as hell and can recover most damage off before it starts becoming an issue.

Taunt can be nice for pokemon who try to set up on you but other than that Magic Bounce helps deal with Status and Hazards.

This spread will help support your team more.

- You never actually state what actually state what Wobbs does for your team except for it synergizes well with Sableye which it true to some degree. And also for a team that wants to support a Dragonite sweep Wobbs isn't the best choice. I would recommend something that gets hazards up or a Special Sweeper since the team lacks a presence of specially offensive pressure.

- Serperior can fit this role since it is easy to set up.

Serperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power Fire
- Substitute

Serperior breaks through bulky Water types that team does not like especially Dragonite which is who your main focus is on.

Hidden Power Fire helps to break Ferrothorn and Mega Venusaur easier as they want to stop Serperior from rampages, those two are also checks to Dragonite.

Serperior's speed tier is really good since it allows it to outspeed base 110's like Lati@s, Diancie, and Metagross

SubSerp can single handedly break stall thanks to it having good bulk and easy set up that punishes anything.

Although it doesn't support Mega Sableye as much, it definitely relieves a lot more pressure off the rest of your team.

- The Gengar set is good and I don't think any changes could be made.

- I personally think the Sitrus Berry + Belly Drum set is a bit overkill on this team. But this team is also lacking any sort of hazard on its own so I think there needs to be a way to work around this.

- Specially defensive Skarmory helps to support the team a lot more due to its bulk and movepool.

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Iron Head
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind

Skarmory helps to support Sableye taking hits from Mega Gardevoir or Serperior.

The lacked any type of hazards which is important for Dragonite's sweep at the end.

Skarmory can't be set up on.

Azumarill played as a wall breaker but since Serperior is here and does its job better something else can play Wobbs role as a Sweep stopper.

Skarmory has reliable recovery so it can properly stick around if it's needed.

Skarmory will always be able to stop a sweep as long as it is at full health.

or...

- Bisharp is an interesting pick but it can work.

Bisharp @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 52 SpD / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch

This set is also a lit bit "off meta" which is something I have you liked.

It pressures Defoggers.

It sets up Stealth Rock for the Dragonite sweep.

Has reliable STABs that help cripple a lot of threats.

Knock Off removes items making it easier to punch holes in things such off Chansey and Garchomp.

Iron Head hits fairies that threaten Mega Sableye.

Stealth Rocks is unorthodox for Bisharp which can surprise opponents at times. Punishes faster users without priority.

But i would probably go with the Skarmory.

- Excadrill is nice as a revenge killer and a way to remove hazards but it doesn't do the job good enough sometimes. I hate to break someone's moto but...

- Simply put the team is incredibly weak to Talonflame but it also needs to remove Stealth Rocks. Yeah I know it is a legendary but for the team to truly excel I feel Zapdos is needed. It also acts as a volt switcher allowing you to gain momentum. It might make you feel better about using this if I tell you at official pokemon tournaments (the ones held by the creators) actually allow Zapdos in there, it isn't a top 10 pokemon or anything.

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 176 Def / 68 SpA / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Roost
- Defog
- Heat Wave

details for the spread found here

- Props to you for making the custom set. But once again the team struggles a lot with things that other wise not let Dragonite sweep such as Stall, Hazards on your side and breaking focus sashes on the opponent's side. I have tried to make all the changes support Dragonite in the end.

I like the team and I hope you have a nice day.

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First and foremost, where do I find these icons?!?!

Second, Serperior for Wobbuffet seems like a nice idea, I am going to give this a go.

Thanks for the Dragonite and Gengar Compliments.

Regarding the Sableye set change.
I get your point, and I do agree BUT, that set works amazingly well with Wobbuffet since I can get 2 kills with wobbuffet after Sableye support like 75% of the time. also Wobbuffet deals with most Talonflame variants that aren't Banded.

I'm going to try some of these changes and edit this post after that.
Thanks for the AMAZING comment and please, let me know where can I find these icons.

Dexcel · Nov 11, 2015

SlaySlenderDragon XD said:
I'm glad I helped, and if you do ultimately switching Wobbs out I definitely recommend it.
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/ I went here for the icons, just look up the pokemon you are looking for, right click, click copy image URL, then paste it into the image thing and wallabing wallaboom.

Did some testing.
Serperior does give me amazing offensive pressure (and it actually synergizes greatly with Azu and Dnite) but it takes my only counter to T-flame which was Wobbu..
Might try taking out Exca/Gengar for a T-flame counter since Dnite+azu+Serp give me enough offensive coverage.

Thanks again man! really great tips...i'll look into them again

Sablenite · Nov 11, 2015

I hate to break it to you, but either WoW or SD Talonflame breaks your team, esp. the Bulk Up and Wisp set. Zapdos would be a great answer to this, or you could run Toxic on Sableye. In mobile atm, will finish later.

Dexcel · Nov 12, 2015

Sablenite said:
I hate to break it to you, but either WoW or SD Talonflame breaks your team, esp. the Bulk Up and Wisp set. Zapdos would be a great answer to this, or you could run Toxic on Sableye. In mobile atm, will finish later.

So who's the best member to change for a Zapdos...?
cause excadrill is too valueable also is azumaril....
I could take out wubbo..altho, like I said, it usually gives me 1-2 KOs...

Trying up a Rotom-W defensive set instead of Wobbu.

@ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252HP/252Def+/4SpAtk
Ability: Levitate
-Hydro Pump
-Toxic
-Volt Switch
-Pain Split.

To take on Talonflame mainly and also physical threats.

Also Changed Excadrill Into Serperior...Gonnna do an Update.

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