Wish upon a Black Star

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Hi Smogon this is my first post and I'm so proud of this *-* Unluckily I'm not good in English,but I will use a translator.So this is one of my favourite Semi-Stall Team.I present immediately.
From bw1 I loved playing stall,but immediately fell in love with one of his class the SemiStall.With this kind of team could abuse the revengekill to kill Pokemon that can block me.So I decided to redo a Semi-Stall in BW2.

I started by the lethal Keldeo.A Pokemon that could help me a lot under the rain.Oh the rain, I think it's pretty easy to who will be the next member.

The ability to Politoed help me by increasing the power of the Keldeo's Hydro Pump.Now i need a Spinner that can block Ferrothorn.After a lot of question i chose one.

It was difficult but I chose Hitmontop.Hitmontop help me with Ferrothorn,Starmie and Terrakion.I really love this Pokèmon for its trait Intimidate,it help me with a lot of Pokèmon.

Now I needed a Double Steel Core and the Hazard.I chose Skarmory for its beautiful defense and Jirachi for the beautiful recovery move Wish.Now i have all the Hazard i need.I chose a particular spread for my Jirachi,given to me by a friend.Jirachi and Skarmory also help me with Tornadus-T and Draco Spam but now i need a Bulky Grass.

Celebi was right for me.It help me with a lot of Pokèmon and Perish Song help me more X) Natural Cure give me a beautiful status absorber.Celebi is in my honest opinion one of the best bulky Grass.It help me against Landorus and Thundurus-T.

After a lot of test i changed Keldeo and Celebi with Latios and Amoonguss

Politoed (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Protect
- Scald
- Toxic
- Perish Song

This is the Standard-Defensive Toed.It help me with is Perish Song.I should considerate Refresh/Ice Beam>Toxic X) Is main role is to setup the Rain.Scald is the STAB that can burn (You don't Say) Protect help me against the Choicer and also help me with the Toxic Stall and the Perish.This Toed also help Latios because of Surf and Thunder.Politoed help me also against Volcarona and Ferrothorn.If Ferrothorn is burned I take half of a threat.In the rain is also a good Water Spammer.Perish Song help me against the Dragon Dancer.I should considerate Ice Beam.
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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 32 SAtk / 224 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Thunder
- Stealth Rock
- Wish
- Iron Head​

Jirachi help me a lot against Tornadus-T and also provide to set the Stealth.Thunder allows me to hit hard Tornadus and can also Paralize.Iron Head is the STAB that can make flinch the opponent Pokèmon.Is also good against Choice Specs Latios.Jirachi is also a good option against Reuniclus and the Outrage User.Ground Type is a problem for this Pokèmon but for this I have 2 Fliyng type.Wish help Latios and help against Tornadus-T and Latias.I like how he can troll entire team X).​

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Roost
- Spikes
- Brave Bird
- Whirlwind

Is a beast,isn't it?Drill Peck is better than Brave Bird because he doesn't have any recoil.Roost can wear out Life Orb users, such as Metagross and Gyarados, while keeping Skarmory up-to-shape for the next assault.Whirlwind is great against Pokemon such as Bulk Up Conkeldurr or merely shuffling for extra damage from the opponent landing on Spikes.Skarmory should first lay Spikes to force the opponent to make a rather painful decision when switching in and out of the battlefield.At any case I can always set 3 layer.​

Amoonguss (F) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Effect Spore
EVs: 252 HP / 28 SAtk / 228 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Clear Smog
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Spore

Thanks to Regenerator is a really good Special Wall and it help me against Thundurus-T.Giga Drain help me against Keldeo,Politoed and the Bulky Water , also recover the HP.Hidden Power Ice help me against the Dragon and Landorus.Clear Smog help me against Sword Dance Breloom,unluckily it can hit Pokèmon with Substitute.Without Thundurus my team have a lot of space to work.Amoonguss also keep out the Toxic Spikes that can cause problem to my team.​

Hitmontop (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 72 Atk / 184 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Mach Punch
- Rapid Spin
- Sucker Punch
- Close Combat

Whit the access at Foresight and Rapid Spin is a really good Spinner.It help me against Ferrothorn.Close Combact is a beautiful STAB that help me against some threat and with Foresight can Hit also the Ghost Type.Mach Punch help me against Lucario and Terrakion.This Pokèmon can sweep after the Hazard.Intimidate is a really beautiful ability.With this Pokèmon I can hit a lot of Physical Sweeper and this is pretty awesone.I should considerate Love Kick but I'll lose a lot of Base Power.​

Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Thunder
- Surf
- Trick

Latios is a pretty beautiful Pokèmon.It is a beautiful revengekiller and help me a lot with Trick.Trick rounds off the set, providing Latios pass the Scarf at Blissey or Chansey,sometime Ferrothorn or Pokèmon who hope to sponge the special move of Latios -such as Draco Meteor or Surf-. Draco Meteor is the main move that can hit the other Dragon-Type.Surf is boosted by the Rain.Surf is a beautiful move because it helps weaken Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Scizor hoping to switch in on a Draco Meteor.Thunder can hit the bulky water type such as Jellicent.It also help against Keldeo.​

Credits
I thank Felix for the banner,Drakero for the Skype support and Pokecheck and Tumblr for the Sprites and the Gif.Also thanks to Mike for his help the building.Thanks to you that read​

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To many apologies for my bad english

 

[Electrolyte]

cool team

Like many Rain teams, I think you might have some issues dealing with Sun teams. Your two special walls, Jirachi and Celebi, both hate Fire attacks already- and should you lose the weather war, it would be very hard for you to tank hits with them and your team would get ripped apart. In fact, Fire / Grass is a combination that is resisted by none on your team. To fix this, I think you should replace Celebi with LO Latias.

Latias @ Life Orb
Timid / 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Psyshock / Draco Meteor / Recover / Surf

LO Latias gives you a lot of good bulk, speed, and some power too. It keeps all of the resistances that Celebi had- such as electric, water, fighting, and ground, as well as a resistance to Fire, which will greatly help you defeat Sun teams. Latias is a great counter to many of Sun's sweepers, including Venasaur or Heatran. Psyshock helps you continue to beat down fighting types such as Breloom or Keldeo, and Draco Meteor is your main STAB, ko'ing a lot of pokemon. Surf is powerful coverage under Rain and can also hit a few sand sweepers hard as well. Recover lets you heal yourself, and can help alot against Tornadus-T who has to switch out through U-Turn to get past you. It also helps you offset your LO recoil.

sorry if this is a quick rate, but good luck!

EDIT:
I'm back, so here's a bit more:

I agree with Alexander's idea of giving Jirachi 224 SpDef evs. This helps it take hits better, which will be very important with the loss of your other wall, Celebi.

 

[Prinz]

Hello,

Nice semistall team you have here, let's start with the rate!

I have no so much to tell because your team is very solid anyway, I think that 100 EVs in Atk are quite useless in a defensive pokèmon like Jirachi, therefore I suggest you to put these EVs in Atk in SDef. Now Jirachi take less damages from Tornadus-T's Hurricane, Thundurus' Thunder and from other strong special attacks and it's fine for your team because if Jirachi dies, Tornadus-T 6-0'd you, for example. Then, your team has a big weakness to Deoxys-D offense team because Hitmontop can't rapid spin on Gengar so entry hazards will be problematics for your team, therefore I suggest you to change Sucker Punch into Foresight to rapid spin always on the ghost types and to put these EVs in Atk in SDef because without Sucker Punch Hitmontop doesn't need EVs in Atk and EVs in SDef can be useful to tank better some special attack. Now that you have Hitmontop with Foresight, Deoxys-D offense team shouldn't be a problem for your semistall. Finally, on Keldeo I suggest you to change Icy Wind into Hidden Power Ice and Hidden Power Electric into Surf. Hidden Power allows to hit harder the dragon types, and especially against Dragonite it can be useful. Surf is always an useful STAB when Keldeo doesn't need more fire power and you don't want miss Hydro Pump, against Landorus and Terrakion, for example.

That's about your team. Hope I helped, good luck!

 

[TheStriker]

Hi.

I recommend extending your descriptions or this will be locked. 3-4 lines please. Thats good enough. I see a big weakness to Jaden Smith (jk), but Toxicroak. Toxicroak is found on almost every team. Celebi's Psychic will only break the Substitute and then is OHKO by Ice Punch or Poison Jab. So I recommend switching Hitmontop to Jellicent. Your team has no weakness to SR and Spikes is never seen same with Toxic Spikes. With Jellicent, you can check many killers like Volcarona, and Lucario. Speaking of that, Jellicent is the check to lots of things in this metagame. So, this is a great switch.

Jellicent | Leftovers
Water Absorb
252 HP | 244 Def | 12 SDef
Will-O-Wisp | Shadow Ball | Recover | Toxic



Awesome Team! Good Luck. Remeber to extend your descs.​

 

[PokèManiac Livio]

Hey dude i m fine that u post it, btw you have some problems, let s rate it!

1. Sand team, with core Bandtar+SheerForceLandorus, can destroy your team, or Bandzor+RPLando, cause They can pursuit your Celebi, and sweep all your team with SpecialLandorus. So I suggest u to replace Baton Pass>Psychic on Celebi, now u can escape from Random pursuiter and eventually scout the switch on 3rd turn of Perish Song.

2. You cannot use Leftovers on Skarmory. It s your only Physical wall, and if the opponent has Magnezone+Dragons, it s so hard for you.So i d suggest to change your item on skarmory into Shed Shell instead of Leftovers, you have an easy switch in Celeby. Another thing is Evs spread of your Skarmory, my suggestion is to move 24Evs from your SDef to Speed, so you can outspeed other Skarmory and WirlWind or Set up faster.

3.Your Jirachi s Evs spread is curious and I don t understand it. My other suggestion is to run "classic" jirachi WishMaker, with 252HP/216SDef/40Spd, becouse is your only thing against Tornadus-T and since the moment you have not Protect them can help you to counter better it.

4. If the volt chain could be a big trouble, u can switch Keldeo into Gastrodon, now your is a full stall, but in my opinion it s better. Now you have a Switch on Magnezone/tone after volt switch on your Skarmory. You don t need a revengekiller, becouse a stall breaker could be destroy your team anyway.

5. You forgot 4 Evs on your Keldeo lol...

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 228 SDef / 28 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Recover
- Baton Pass
- Perish Song
- Giga Drain

Skarmory (M) @ Shed Shell
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Roost
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Brave Bird

Gastrodon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Atk / 244 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Scald
- Recover
- Earthquake
- Toxic

 

[Roundabout]

First of all, thanks to all

cool team

Like many Rain teams, I think you might have some issues dealing with Sun teams. Your two special walls, Jirachi and Celebi, both hate Fire attacks already- and should you lose the weather war, it would be very hard for you to tank hits with them and your team would get ripped apart. In fact, Fire / Grass is a combination that is resisted by none on your team. To fix this, I think you should replace Celebi with LO Latias.

Latias @ Life Orb
Timid / 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Psyshock / Draco Meteor / Recover / Surf

LO Latias gives you a lot of good bulk, speed, and some power too. It keeps all of the resistances that Celebi had- such as electric, water, fighting, and ground, as well as a resistance to Fire, which will greatly help you defeat Sun teams. Latias is a great counter to many of Sun's sweepers, including Venasaur or Heatran. Psyshock helps you continue to beat down fighting types such as Breloom or Keldeo, and Draco Meteor is your main STAB, ko'ing a lot of pokemon. Surf is powerful coverage under Rain and can also hit a few sand sweepers hard as well. Recover lets you heal yourself, and can help alot against Tornadus-T who has to switch out through U-Turn to get past you. It also helps you offset your LO recoil.

sorry if this is a quick rate, but good luck!

EDIT:
I'm back, so here's a bit more:

I agree with Alexander's idea of giving Jirachi 224 SpDef evs. This helps it take hits better, which will be very important with the loss of your other wall, Celebi.

Some time ago I tried to use Latias instead of Celebi, but it did not work.I'll try again X)

Hello,

Nice semistall team you have here, let's start with the rate!

I have no so much to tell because your team is very solid anyway, I think that 100 EVs in Atk are quite useless in a defensive pokèmon like Jirachi, therefore I suggest you to put these EVs in Atk in SDef. Now Jirachi take less damages from Tornadus-T's Hurricane, Thundurus' Thunder and from other strong special attacks and it's fine for your team because if Jirachi dies, Tornadus-T 6-0'd you, for example. Then, your team has a big weakness to Deoxys-D offense team because Hitmontop can't rapid spin on Gengar so entry hazards will be problematics for your team, therefore I suggest you to change Sucker Punch into Foresight to rapid spin always on the ghost types and to put these EVs in Atk in SDef because without Sucker Punch Hitmontop doesn't need EVs in Atk and EVs in SDef can be useful to tank better some special attack. Now that you have Hitmontop with Foresight, Deoxys-D offense team shouldn't be a problem for your semistall. Finally, on Keldeo I suggest you to change Icy Wind into Hidden Power Ice and Hidden Power Electric into Surf. Hidden Power allows to hit harder the dragon types, and especially against Dragonite it can be useful. Surf is always an useful STAB when Keldeo doesn't need more fire power and you don't want miss Hydro Pump, against Landorus and Terrakion, for example.

That's about your team. Hope I helped, good luck!

Hello Alexander I'll try to use the team with your advice.I'm agree with Hidden Power ice>Electric and I'm also agree to use Surf instead of Icy Wind.I'm trying to be a little this spread of Jirachi and I feel good, I'll use it for sure.I'll also try Foresight instead of Sucker Punch(and also the new spread).

Hey dude i m fine that u post it, btw you have some problems, let s rate it!

1. Sand team, with core Bandtar+SheerForceLandorus, can destroy your team, or Bandzor+RPLando, cause They can pursuit your Celebi, and sweep all your team with SpecialLandorus. So I suggest u to replace Baton Pass>Psychic on Celebi, now u can escape from Random pursuiter and eventually scout the switch on 3rd turn of Perish Song.

2. You cannot use Leftovers on Skarmory. It s your only Physical wall, and if the opponent has Magnezone+Dragons, it s so hard for you.So i d suggest to change your item on skarmory into Shed Shell instead of Leftovers, you have an easy switch in Celeby. Another thing is Evs spread of your Skarmory, my suggestion is to move 24Evs from your SDef to Speed, so you can outspeed other Skarmory and WirlWind or Set up faster.

3.Your Jirachi s Evs spread is curious and I don t understand it. My other suggestion is to run "classic" jirachi WishMaker, with 252HP/216SDef/40Spd, becouse is your only thing against Tornadus-T and since the moment you have not Protect them can help you to counter better it.

4. If the volt chain could be a big trouble, u can switch Keldeo into Gastrodon, now your is a full stall, but in my opinion it s better. Now you have a Switch on Magnezone/tone after volt switch on your Skarmory. You don t need a revengekiller, becouse a stall breaker could be destroy your team anyway.

5. You forgot 4 Evs on your Keldeo lol...

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 228 SDef / 28 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Recover
- Baton Pass
- Perish Song
- Giga Drain

Skarmory (M) @ Shed Shell
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Roost
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Brave Bird

Gastrodon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Atk / 244 Def
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Scald
- Recover
- Earthquake
- Toxic

I'll try gastrodon and all your suggestion,thanks.Sorry for the 4 Evs X)

 

[Mike Fenix]

Hi Gio, this team is very solid but i think that there are something to change:

1)I agree with Alexander to give the 100 atk's Evs of Jirachi to the difsp, then:

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Iron Head
- Body Slam
- Wish
- Stealth Rock

2)As regards Hitmontop i suggest you put Foresight>Mach Punch to have the security to spin also against the ghost type (such as Gengar and Jellicent)

3)I think that Drill peck>Brave Bird,you lose power but avoid the recoil

4)Hidden Power Ice>Psichic to Celeby to kill Landorus and Thundurus, a Toxicroack thinks Skarmory

Sorry fom my bad english but this is my first rate XD

 

[Roundabout]

Hi mike,I'm just using your set of Jirachi.I use Mach Punch a lot so i don't think to change.I'll try drill peck.Instead of Psychic now i have baton pass

 

[M o t h]

Hi Fradi, nice team you have here!

I suggest you to replace Thunder > Body Slam on Jirachi. It's true that you can't hit Thundurus but with Thunder you can hit hard water types, Skarmory and SubDisableGengar. So I suggest you Sassy > Careful.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Iron Head
- Thunder
- Wish
- Stealth Rock

I agree with Alexander. The strong point of Hitmontop is that it has Foresight to rapid spin always.

The Volt-Turn chain is a problem for you but if you put Gastrodon > Keldeo, NPThundurus destroys you.

You can try Amoonguss > Celeby and Latias > Keldeo. Amoonguss is better because it can sleep an opponent, so you play 6 vs 5 and it has Clear Smog with which cancels all opponent's boosts. So, is an excellent counter of Breloom, Keldeo and Thundurus and it remove TSpikes from your field. I suggest you Defensive Latias with Roar because of Special Landorus, CMrachi and Gyarados.

Amoonguss (F) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 28 SAtk / 228 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Spore
- Stun Spore
- Clear Smog
- Giga Drain

 

[Roundabout]

Thanks Moth,I'll try Amoonguss and latias I'll also try Jirachi

 

[chimpact]

Hey there,

Tentacruel can provide some problems to your team. Being able to freely spin away any hazards you set up with little resistance, can take hits very well under the rain with rain dish, and it can annoy your team with scald burns and toxic spikes. I suggest you give your Jirachi Thunder > Body Slam. Although the careful nature conflicts with using Thunder, Thunder has enough power in itself to warrant usage and it offers much better coverage than body slam. By adding Thunder, you can remove the Attack EVs and put them in special defense.

Additionally, with no spin blocker I think you should remove Stealth Rock from Jirachi as well and give it Protect to help it take on Lati@s and other special attackers much better. Giving Stealth Rock to Skarmory would help as it will have a lot more opportunities to set them up than Jirachi would.

 

[PokèManiac Livio]

Hi Fradi, nice team you have here!

I suggest you to replace Thunder > Body Slam on Jirachi. It's true that you can't hit Thundurus but with Thunder you can hit hard water types, Skarmory and SubDisableGengar. So I suggest you Sassy > Careful.
I agree with Alexander. The strong point of Hitmontop is that it has Foresight to rapid spin always.

The Volt-Turn chain is a problem for you but if you put Gastrodon > Keldeo, NPThundurus destroys you.

You can try Amoonguss > Celeby and Latias > Keldeo. Amoonguss is better because it can sleep an opponent, so you play 6 vs 5 and it has Clear Smog with which cancels all opponent's boosts. So, is an excellent counter of Breloom, Keldeo and Thundurus and it remove TSpikes from your field. I suggest you Defensive Latias with Roar because of Special Landorus, CMrachi and Gyarados.

Sorry but i do not agree. In my opinion Latias could be trapped by Tyranitar, and Lando can really destroy your team. You do not need play 6 versus 5, that s because the team can stop all the majors threat, and Breloom is not this big trouble from the moment you have Skarmory and Celebi that can check it.

 

[P H A N T O M]

Ehy Fradi :) nice to see you! First,you need to do a safe rapid spin so i Suggest you Foresight>Mach Punch/Sucker Punch on Hitmontop. After this I think you need a better wall over Celebi. You can make scream the opponent with Amonguss,it can enter on Latios,Landorus and other stuff than switch out in another pokemon. But now you have a particulary problem with Psico pokemon in general because Skarmory fall down against the 90 percent of the psico pokemon. You can put over Keldeo that there isn't the revengkiller you need. I think you must put Latios>Keldeo because,it can hit more pokemon like scarf terrakion or scarf keldeo that can be most quickly that your keldeo and can destroy your team,it can hit hard Tentacruel too that is a big treath for your team,it can check Rotom too. Gl with the team :)

So the changes you should do for me are:

Foresight>Mach Punch/Sucker Punch
SdefAmonguss>Celebi
ScarfTios>Keldeo

 

[M o t h]

One of the main problem of stall teams is SubCMrachi. If you put ScarfLatios (without Roar) Jirachi destroys your team.

 

[PokèManiac Livio]

._________________________________________. How subcmRachi can hit SpDef celebi that can pseudohaze it with p song and recover? tell me please. The team have already good sinergy and good building phase, there are few problems that can beat it.

 

[Tizio]

Hi, Fradipagio
Nice team, but imho hitmontop it's not a really good spinner in bw2, and you don't need intimidate for terrakion when you have the core skarm-bi
So i suggest to you to try Starmie>Hitmontop
Starmie with Thunder don't have a problem vs jelli and he is a great status absorber.

 

[iCs]

Hi Fradi :)

Nice Team. A problem of your team are Pursuiter Random. At first look i will suggest to change Giga Drain for Baton Pass but you bpass Perish Song and it isn't cool. You can try with U-turn, ok... you can't escape of pursuit but you prevent the switch in.
Hitmontop is a bad Rapid Spinner, you can try Forretress with Volt Switch.
Landorus isn't a problem but you can try Chansey on Keldeo. Another suggest: use EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd Jirachi.

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Chansey @ Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef
IVs: 0Atk
Calm Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Stealth Rock (Protect > S.R. on jirachi)
- Toxic / Heal Bell

Forretress @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 76 SDef
IVs: 0Spd / 2 Spd
Relaxed Nature
- Volt Switch
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball / Hidden Power [ICE]

HIH (hope i helped)

 

[Roundabout]

I update the team with the new pkmn and the new set