Yanmega0909's first RMT

Yanmega0909

Introduction​
Hi Smogon, as you can see I am quite new to the forums, and would just like to put my team out there before I start playing fifth generation. My team is very basic and unoriginal but I have some wins with it. My team probably has many holes, and I would love for anyone with any pokemon knowledge to rate my team, and give me help with building a better one.​
The Team​
At a Glance​


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Heatren​

I have always liked Heatren for many reasons: His unique typing, and respectable defense, and special defense can make him less fragile than other like him. His ability to make him immune to fire attacks (flash fire), and his base 130 Sp. Attack paired with great moves. I mainly chose Heatren because is less expected than other leads. It can usually set up stealth rock, take out the opposing pokemon, then live to deal some more damage until it faints leaving the opposing team seriously crippled.

Jirachi
In my opinion Jirachi is the very best pokemon in D/P. It has 100 stats all around which makes it sturdy, yet able to deal out serious pain. It can hit just about anything, and flinch hax can really help. Jirachi is on my team because I wanted a mixed sweeper that can switch in to many threats and effectively kill them.

Scizor
Scizor is another very good pokemon, and I had to have it on my team. I mostly use it to take out weakened pokemon with bullet punch, and also OHKO some poke with Superpower. I also use Scizor to switch in to unknown pokemon, then U-Turn out to switch out to a pokemon to deal with it.

Suicune
Suicune is one of the most annoying pokemon in the game, it can calm mind up so it can wipe anything out, then rest/sleeptalk until it wipes out the whole team, or the other team rage quits. I like to switch Suicune in right after Jirachi tricks its Choice Scarf onto the Poke, so it either switches out and give Suicune a calm mind, or try to damage Suicune ineffectively letting Suicune set up to wipe the whole team.

Dragonite
Since I already had a mixed sweeper (Jirachi) and special sweeper (Suicune) and a physical sweeper (Scizor) I decided to add the last sweeper Dragonite. I believe that he is the best new dragon in OU. Since I love Outrage, and Dragonite has access to Dragon Dance he was my first choice.

Torterra
Ah Torterra, the only somewhat odd pokemon on my team. I think that many people underestimate Torterra, but this Torterra can last a very long time with the right set-up, and have constant healing. I picked Torterra to complete my Fire/Water/Grass core, but later just used it because people are quite surprised to see it, and usually lose a turn trying to figure out how to take it down.

Example of pokemon Analysis​


Pokemon​
Item Nature​
EV’s(Hp, Atk, Def, SpA, SpD, Spe)​
What I have to say

Changes are in Bold

In Depth​


Heatren​
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Heatren @ Life orb(from focus sash
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252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4Hp(from 4 SpDef)
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Modest(from timid)
-Explosion
-HP Grass
-Overheat
-Stealth Rock

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Your basic lead Heatren except instead of Fire Blast I have Overheat, and I have Explosion and HP Grass instead of Earth Power. I usually set up stealth rock first, except with Azelf or Ninjask when I Overheat. Most of the time I can Stealth Rock, Overheat, and Explode to kill two pokemon.​


Jirachi​
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Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
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4hp 252Atk 252 Spe​
Jolly
-Iron Head
-Fire Punch
-Thunder Punch
-Trick​
Instead of Ice punch on this Jirachi I put thunder punch, because I barely see a Dragon poke, and when I do I can usually Thunder Punch it. The only problem I run into is when I run into a Flygon, but then I can Trick and switch to leave it crippled.​


Scizor
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Scizor @ Choice Band
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248hp 252 Atk 8 Spe​
Adamant
-U-Turn
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower
-Pursuit​
Normal Scizor, I would like to change Pursuit to something else because I rarely get to use it. Like I said before I get U-turn all over the place and bullet punch the weakened foes. Once they think that can’t do anything else I Superpower them for serious damage before dying.​


Suicune
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Suicune @ Leftovers
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252Hp 252 Def 4SpD
Timid (from Bold)
-Hydro Pump (from Surf
-Calm Mind
-HP Electric (from Rest)
-Ice Beam (from Sleep Talk)
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Another normal poke, as long as I get a good setup I can get a +6 +6 Suicune with full health killing poke left and right. I rarely run out of PP (if people actually do) and the only thing that really can get me is roarers and confusion, paralysis, or frozen (never have been frozen)​


Dragonite

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@ Lum Berry​
252 Hp 252 Atk 4Spe
Adamant
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Roost​
I can last pretty long with Dragonite and can outrage for 4-6 turns as long as another poke doesn’t status me before I start Outraging. Most of the time I can only get one-two Dragon Dances in before I start Outraging. If I survive, I Roost then start Outraging again. Most of the time I don’t survive because I tend to switch Dragonite in before all the threats are eliminated.​


Torterra

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@Leftovers​
212 Hp 252Def 44Spe​
Impish
-Wood Hammer
-Leech Seed
-Synthesis
-Earthquake​
A pretty normal Torterra tank, except I put synthesis on it instead of Stealth Rock/Protect. This is because I don’t really rely on Stealth Rock, and Heatren mostly always sets it up. Protect is most of the time useless for me, because I can easily predict what the other poke is going to use, and I use synthesis over leech seed most of the time.


Please RMT and Post if there are any problems with my RMT
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Hey I got your message! Before I begin, the way you format your RMT is a bit strange, so you might consider changing that. Team raters don't need to see the IV's- by the looks of it, they're all 31 except for Torterra's special attack and Suicune's attack, neither of which matter. For EVs, you don't need to put 0's where there is nothing, just tell us where the stats are. You also don't need to post the ability, since all of these Pokemon either have one ability or only use one of them anyway (nobody uses Swarm CB Scizor, I promise). The "customary" formatting usually resembles something like this:

Heatran @ Focus Sash
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 SpDef
Timid
-Stealth Rock
-Overheat
-Hidden Power (Grass)
-Explosion

Try running something like that for your sets. Anyways, onto the actual rate. Torterra, to me, seems like an odd choice, but I can definitely see his merits on a team with no electric immunities, so I won't try and change him. I'll mostly just nitpick some minour set choices you've made.

On Heatran, you're running a focus sash. Heatran, as you've noted, is pretty bulky most of the time, even without investment in his defenses. A focus sash usually works best on frail Pokemon looking for another turn, like Aerodactyl or Azelf. Add this to the fact that you're, at the present moment, very weak to Lead Machamp, and I think you might consider changing around the set. Lead Machamp, right now, bowls through your whole team, except perhaps Jirachi you maybe can flinch it to death. Try running this Heatran instead:

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@ Life Orb
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Modest
-Stealth Rock
-Overheat
-Hidden Power (Electric) / (Grass)
-Explosion

Some minour differences here. With a Modest nature, Life Orb, and Overheat, Heatran usually OHKOs Machamp before he can do anything. Even with LO recoil, Heatran usually finds time to SR thanks to his bulk. The hidden power can be changed based on who you think is threatening. Swampert is a pretty rare lead nowadays, and even when he is run, he's pretty terrified of Heatran with HP Grass, which has become the new norm. This allows you to run Hidden Power Electric if you choose, which hits Gyarados and all other bulky waters harder or the same. However, if you still fear Swampert, by all means, use HP Grass.

Crocune, to me, seems a bit missplaced on a team like this. Suicune usually works best on defensive teams with some toxic spikes support, and on a highly offensive team such as this, I'm not sure if Crocune can keep the momentum up. You might try running Offensive Suicune instead:

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@ Leftovers
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid
-Calm Mind
-Hydro Pump
-Hidden Power (Electric)
-Ice Beam

Sweeping Suicune is excellent nowadays- water/ice/eletric is resisted by Lanturn and Shedinja (that's it) and Suicune is bulky and hard to take down, even with no investment. Often times, offensive teams have to take some drastic measures to keep this Pokemon in check, creating opportunity and momentum for you. You also earn a reliable counter to Gyarados and Dragonite, two things that presently are annoying for your team to face.

That's all the advice I have, I hope this helps.
 
Thanks very much for the ratings, im going to change the format around.
I see how the suicune doesn't fit, i just used him because i loved it soo much.
 
This team seems pretty good, but it seems that LO Shaymin and MixApe can together turn your team into cream cheese. I would recommend a set like this one to replace your CroCune; it stops Shaymin in it's tracks:

Snorlax@Lefties
Careful Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 156 HP, 100 SpD
-Curse
-Return
-Fire Punch
-Rest

I found that this set can't be 2KOed by Special-based MixApe's Close Combat, so you can stall it out with Rest. Also, it laughs in the face of anything Shaymin says.
 
Hey there, congrats on your first RMT, and I hope I can patch up some of the weaknesses on this team.

Threats
  • Offensive Suicune
  • Dragon Dance Dragonite/Mixed Dragonite
  • Offensive Electric- types (LO/Specs Jolteon, LO Zapdos)
  • Stall

Like other offensively minded teams, this one has a weakness to Offensive Suicune, who can set-up easily on Scizor's Bullet Punch, Jirachi's Fire Punch, and your own Suicune; Your best bet is tricking with Jirachi. Dragon Dance Dragonite can set up on Scizor's Superpower/U-turn, and terrorize the team with repeated Outrage/Earthquake/Fire Punch; Your best option being Scizor's Bullet Punch, unless it has Roost. Offensive Electric- types with HP Ice, such as Jolteon, LO Zapdos, LO Rotom-W can sweep this team relatively easily with powerful Thunderbolt/HP Ice. This team also has a hard time breaking through Stall's defenses

Solutions:

First and foremost, that Suicune does not fit in this team; The team is meant to be an offensive team, and Rest-Talk Suicune slows down the offensive pace of the team, while being set-up bait for Taunt Gyarados. I recommend you replace it with a 252 Satk/252 Spe offensive Suicune.


  • Leech Seed Shaymin for Offensive Suicune, and Stall

I think Torterra should be replaced with Shaymin; Torterra is pretty slow, and not bulky enough to face offensive water types of the tier, unlike Shaymin. Shaymin handles Offensive Suicune and Stall really well, between Leech Seed+Seed Flare. Rotom-A becomes much less of a worry, being nothing but a great way to sap health off via Leech Seed. Shaymin also provides a great support tool for the members that lack recovery, with Leech Seed (i.e. Scizor, Dragonite).



  • Ice Punch over Thunder Punch on Jirachi, for DD/Mix Dragonite, and Flygon

Jirachi has a serious four move-slot syndrome, as if it takes Thunder Punch and Fire Punch, it won't be able to handle Dragons. As I said, convert Suicune into the offensive variant, which takes on Gyarados really well with HP Electric, and sponging its Waterfall. Ice Punch allows you to be a great revenge killer to Mixed Dragonite and DD Dragonite, as well as Flygon, who would otherwise bother the team.


  • Change Dragonite into Mixed for Stall

This solves your Stall issue, as Shaymin alone is not good enough. Mixed Dragonite is well known for putting loads of pressure on Stall between Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Super Power, while keeping aloft with Roost. Mixed Dragonite and Scizor pair up excellently together, Dragonite punching holes in the foes team with Draco Meteor, and Scizor cleaning up with Bullet Punch.


  • Change Heatran to Chesto Rest Heatran for LO Zapdos

With Machamp leads dying in usage due to all the leads focusing to destroy it, I think its safe to say that you can use other Heatran variants in the lead spot like this one. LO Zapdos is a huge threat to this team, only Jirachi being able to outspeed it and doing damage with Ice Punch (but taking bucketloads from Thunderbolt/Heat Wave). With the Special Defense investment and Rest, you have a very sturdy check to Offensive Electric types, while providing Stealth Rock at the start of the match.

The Sets:

Suicune@ Leftovers
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid
-Calm Mind
-Hydro Pump
-Hidden Power (Electric)
-Ice Beam

Shaymin@ Leftovers
252 HP / 80 Satk / 176 Spe
Timid
-Seed Flare
-Leech Seed
-Earth Power
-Protect

Dragonite@ Life Orb
116 Atk / 200 SAtk / 192 Spe
Rash
-Draco Meteor
-Superpower
-Fire Blast
-Roost

Heatran@ Chesto Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP/200 Spd/56 SDef
Calm
- Flamethrower
- Stealth Rock
- Rest
- Earth Power

GL
 
Thank you very much, i am now sure to change Suicune to offensive. Mixed Dragonite is a good idea also. Ill have to try out Shaymin, and Heatren though. Thank you all for the help.

I have a question though.On the shaymin the eves add up to 504, cant you add more eves, is there a reason to this?
 
I'm really going to miss 4th Gen :(

Anyway, the suggestions made prior to my rate have really helped to mold this team into a more solid combination. Torterra really seems to be the only weak link left on this team; although it is unusual, good players aren't going to end up losing to it. It also compounds this team's weaknesses to LO Starmie and Offensive Suicune, which are already pretty problematic. Another Leech Seed user such as the Shaymin set recommended by TLK would be a good replacement. Another option for the position would be Roserade; it has the advantage of being able to absorb Toxic Spikes that are problematic for Suicune.

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Roserade (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 122 Def / 136 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder[/box]
This Roserade set is a bit unusual, but I feel that it would be a great fit over Torterra. Roserade's high level of special bulk allows it to switch in comfortably on many opponents and set up Leech Seed to provide recovery for your team. Sleep Powder is what sets Roserade apart from most other Leech Seed users; if used correctly, you can put switch-ins such as Infernape or Heatran to sleep, causing your opponent to lose valuable momentum and team members. Grass Knot is the best choice of STAB in OU, hitting many targets for heavy damage. HP Fire is useful if you use Ice Punch on Jirachi, as Roserade will be able to take down Steels while Jirachi revenge kills Dragonite.

Good luck!
 
Hi,

Your using my favorite Dragon of all time and it's set too!! I think you should focus more on supporting Dragonite in order to sweep.

This solves your Stall issue, as Shaymin alone is not good enough. Mixed Dragonite is well known for putting loads of pressure on Stall between Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Super Power, while keeping aloft with Roost. Mixed Dragonite and Scizor pair up excellently together, Dragonite punching holes in the foes team with Draco Meteor, and Scizor cleaning up with Bullet Punch.
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Yep, I strongly agree here, it's really effective, I like it. I also like the idea of weakening the team for Scizor but I think Scizor should weaken the team for Dragonite. I think you should keep Dragon Dance-Roost, not because it's my favorite set but it's really effective and it's team member's really help Dragonite to sweep. Jirachi eliminates Dragonite's counters while Heatran pwns steel types that would otherwise stop Dragonite's Outrage.

That's all!! I'll think of other shit and rate again.. Good Luck!!
 
Hey Yanmega0909, I received your PM.

This is a pretty solid team, and you seem to have all of your bases covered. You have received a bunch of other rates so I would not except to much from me. Anyway, as others have pointed out, Torterra is the Pokemon that is holding your team back. Torterra is not a horrible Pokemon in OU and Pride has used a similar set to you and my friend Hawk Eye had tested Rock Polish Torterra. However, I really don't think it is the Pokemon for this team. In my opinion, I think you should follow both the Shaymin set and Heatran set The LegendKiller posted, although I believe you do not need that much Spe on Heatran. While it is nice to get the jump on stuff like the rare Max Spe Scizor and friends, I think you will need all the SpDef possible in order to sponge consecutive Thunderbolts from Zapdos and Specs Rotom.

However I would not believe leading with that Heatran is the best option. In my opinion you should shift your Jirachi to the lead position as it handles problematic leads to your team [such as Roserade, and to a lesser extent Machamp], much more comfortably than Heatran. You also want Heatran as high health as possible, as a low health Heatran cannot counter Zapdos and Rotom, however a 13% Jirachi can still revenge Gengar, for example. If you were to do that, I would suggest a set of Iron Head / U-turn / Fire Punch / Trick or Ice Punch. U-turn is really needed so you can U-turn out of things like Infernape lead, who you do have a slight problem with, and break its Sash etc...

Good team and good luck!
 
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