Yeah i think its good what about you?

J O Y A L

OK yes i realize this doesnt follow the no Evasion Clause, and that is fine do to the fact that i only made this team to just fight one person and that is a no Rules, Except Ubers, Battle


Weavile - Pressure - Leftovers
Adamant
252 Atk / 132 Hp / 124Sp
Swords Dance
Punishment
Swagger
Toxic

My all around sweep through your team guy? Well we will find out! Well this guy is to send out first, with his speed he is almost guaranteed to go first. With swagger, then swordsdance then Punishment, This guy will be hard to take down.

Frosslass – Snow Cloak - Focus Sash
Timid
252 Sp Atk / 128 Spd / 128 Hp
Double Team
Thunder Bolt
Destiny Bond
Confuse Ray - Thunderwave

This guy is pretty much in hear to be an annoyer / get rid of anypoke that completly ravages my team. (haha man do i like the word ravage)

Cloyster – Shell Armour - Leftovers
Timid
252 SpD / 252 Hp / 6 Def
Rapid Spin
Toxic Spikes
Explosion
Ice Beam - Spikes

This is my second in! If she gets past my Weavile I will have this guy come in and set up some spikes for the rest of the battle. And then Hopefully take out another poke on his way out.

Abomasnow – Snow Warning - Leftovers
Adamant
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Leech Seed
Swords Dance
Wood Hammer
Substitute

Overall I guess that this is the Heart and soul of my team, Considering that this is the only way I can actually set up Hail. PLus on top of that this guy is a major annoyer - I am a sucker for subseeders. And I figured add in the swords dance and the stab to make wood hammer do some massive damage!

Mamoswine – Snow Cloak - LeftOvers
Adamant
124 HP / 252 Atk / 64 Def / 68 SpD
Earthquake
Curse
Ice Shard
Stone Edge

This guy is my Physical Sweeper / wall of sorts. With this guys Hp he can take a hit. Plus the fact that he has monstous attack. So add curse to that mix add you have one dangerous attacker. So he is slow (dont we all have our low points?) But add the hit first ice shard and the stabbed EQ and we have a very dangerous Swine on our hands!

Glaceon – Snow Cloak - Leftovers
Timid
252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Blizzard
Roar - Wish
Shadow Ball
Double Team

Finally My Special sweeper. The one hundred percent accurate blizzard combined with her special attack make this one very dangerous Dog thing? Combined that with roar and you have some one that can will poison everyone, But add the wish in there to make her last longer. Shadow ball adds a variety to her attacks considering they sure are limited!
 
Well, you're whole team doesn't have to revolve around hail. Try throwing in a flash fire poke like rapidash somewhere in there.

The weavile set you have also relies a little too much on luck. *well, ok, double team is too, but...* If the opponent breaks through confusion after you swagger them, it'll be tough to hit them back.

And Abomasnow will need some set-up to get subseed going. After you get leech seed done, I'm not sure if you'll be able to swords dance. I suggest choosing one or the other: sweeping or subseed.
 
well Yeah, Of course fire puts in a challenge lol.. But that is why i have cloyster, because of the water ice combo, it makes fire attacks nuetral, and then explode out for the kill or close to it, then if its not, its a one hit kill from something faster like weavile or froslass
 
J O Y A L said:
well Yeah, Of course fire puts in a challenge lol.. But that is why i have cloyster, because of the water ice combo, it makes fire attacks nuetral, and then explode out for the kill or close to it, then if its not, its a one hit kill from something faster like weavile or froslass
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Well, if you're facing anything with physical fire attacks, like Flare Blitz, Cloyster will be fine. However, when facing special attacks, Cloyster will be blown away, regardless of EVs invested.

However, why are Cloyster and Glaceon timid? That boosts speed, lowers attack. Glaceon doesn't need speed, it's a roarer, and Cloyster doesn't have any speed EVs anyway. For cloyster anyway, relaxed would probably be the nature of choice.
 
Ok, ur right over all weavile is flawed, but i have gotten the combo to work, and when it does, its a swagger then one it ko, pretty much guarenteed. But the flash fire poke i am really considering to add. I like the idea alot, and kinda sad i didnt think of that, Im just at a stall on which pokemon i want to sacrafice for it. I was thinking froslass, but im afraid getting rid of the destiny bond will make taking down a physical wall impossible?
 
Yeah not so sure why it has the timid nature, i think i honestly just wasnt really thinking about it. as for the glaceon being timid, he is a special sweeper/ roarer, and the speed will help keep him from being hit while roaring....
 
Hmmm soo i am thinking first of all considering i have never used a spiker, i might mess it up, that switching cloyster for the flash fire poke. what do you think about htat?
 
J O Y A L said:
Yeah not so sure why it has the timid nature, i think i honestly just wasnt really thinking about it. as for the glaceon being timid, he is a special sweeper/ roarer, and the speed will help keep him from being hit while roaring....
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Roaring has a negative priority, which essentially means it almost always goes last anyway. And if you want glaceon to outspeed things, give it some speed EVs, no point in a +speed nature if you don't invest in EVs. As for which poke to replace for a flash fire poke, I'm leaning towards Weavile. It seems to serve a purpose independant of the team as a whole and is sorta risky anyway, so it's the least needed, imo.

(btw, there's an edit button)
 
Lol thanks Yeah new to these forums today...


And i dont know i guess the reason i am soo hesitant to take out weavile is because really thats who i based my team around lol. But overall you are right it serves its own purpose, and would be misplaced in any team.

I do know one thing it is only good if it starts the battle, if you go into a fight that weavile gets wrecked bad.

As for the roar thing you are right, it is second, just what nature would you suggest? Modest maybe???
 
can anyone say weavile weak?
5 guys who are weak to fighting, and the only immune is weak to night slash.
if it gets in one SD, everything is OHKOed bar cloyster, who will take 72% minimum from a jolly swords dance version. one very scary though would be a weavile lead with lum berry, who SDs, you swagger, lum cures confusion, and youre looking at a full health +4 weavile, who then waltzes through the team like a hot knife through another overused cliche.

two things could solve this problem. one is to give weavile more speed instead of hp, since his crap for defenses negate his barely decent hp. might want to put 8 or 12 more speed than recommended in the smogon analysis to outrun weavilre who run just 1 point more.
other thing to do would be add forretress over cloyster since they basically do the same thing, only forretress resists or neutrals weaviles move instead being weak, plus stab gyro ball on him is murder.

also, consider scarving glaceon, because with his low speed, hes not going to be outrunning a lot. a good glaceon set ive use
Glaceon@Choice Scarf
Timid
4HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Blizzard
Shadow Ball
HP fighting
sleep talk/wish

blizzard for stab, SB and HP fighting for unparalled cover, and the sleep talk so he can be sleep absorber, although he will have to switch out after the first use lest sleep talk fail.
in general, weather teams arent monotype, so you dont need all your guys to be ice type, id recommend just two or three, and then the rest cover the weaknesses of ice. heatran is a good choice, resisting rock and absorbing fire, although the growing fighting weakness is
not fun.
 
OK i appreciate the advise, I am going to use forretress i agree for what i am using him for, the ice part is meaning less. AS for someone starting with weavile, i am glad you pointed something out, but the truth is i would try and swagger them i would automatically go for the punishment do to the fact that he will have the plus from his swords dance, making the reason i swagger useless. And as for the heatran I am gonna consider him instead of froslass do to the fact that hit helps even out my team, and gets rid of my complete fire weakness. But i am gonna have to look into him more inorder to say for sure. But thank you very much

oh and as for scarfing glaceon, i dont know i really dont want to one. because that negates the roar effect, but also I dont have a scarf anyway, and dont have the time to get one....
 
kusaninja said:
heatran is a good choice, resisting rock and absorbing fire, although the growing fighting weakness is
not fun.
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Just for the record, Heatran does not resist Rock (Fire is weak to Rock which get's evened out by his Steel typing). However, consider Tentacruel over Cloyster as this Jellyfish resists 3 out of 4 types that the Ice type is weak against
 
Wow, I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned, ScarfHeatran, Infernape, pretty much anything with a decent fire, fighting, or rock attack paired with decen coverage just RAPE you. You can't really make an effective fully Ice Hail team. It's such a poor defensive type you really need to fill up those common weaknesses with non-Ice types.
 
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