You are helpless but to click this Thread (OU RMT)

[november1093]

Hola peoples. :naughty: I don't do this RMT very often because I'm so lazy that I don't like making new teams. I had a couple ideas a week ago, though. I thought I would make it. Its just OK, though, so I decided to take it here. Of couse why would it be here if it was a good team. I hate it when people take teams here that win like 90% of the time and they say they want it to be better. I lose half my battles.... so yea here it is:

Team building:
My favorite pokemon would have to be Flygon so, naturally, I wanted to have a team with a Flygon in it. Obviously I would be using the dreaded Choice Band set. However, I later found the Scarf set more useful

Flygon has a deadly STAB combo (Earthquake and Outrage). Together they are resisted by only a fair few handful of pokemon. They have one drawback, though. If the opponent switches into the appropriate pokemon I'm screwed. Umbreon can solve this with it's unique ability to mean look baton pass. Thus, Umbreon earned itself a place on my team.

Now I needed resistances. What better than a steel type? I thought long and hard. I considered Metagross, Bronzong, Heatran, Jirachi, Skarmory, and magnezone. I didn't consider Scizor because I hate him. He can die in his sea of commoness. I decided to go with Bronzong because of his super typing and immunity to earthquake.

Now I wanted a Toxic Spiker lead to better compliment my lovely little Umbreon. Out of all the good Toxic spikers (Forretress, Roserade, and Tentacruel) I finally decided on Roserade because of its ability to almost always get two layers of Toxic spikes up.

Now I'm going to want a Special Attacker to go with my Physical Attacker Flygon. Something that still compliments the team but dishes out heavy attacks. I had the option of: Gengar, Azelf, Heatran, Starmie, and Zapdos. I guess I chose Gengar because he can block Rapid Spin and he has a way to take out Blissey.

This is where I need a counter to some big threats. As soon as I said the word counter to myself I thought-Porygon2 It's counter central. With that, my team was finished.

Then I decided to switch Umbreon for Vaporeon and Porygon2 for Zapdos for reason explained in the comments

SO HERE THEY ARE
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Roserade @ Focus Sash
Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
EV's: 252 Spe/252 Sp.Atk/4 HP
-Toxic Spikes
-Leaf Storm
-HP Fire
-Sleep Powder​

Which brings us to the lead of my team-Roserade. I want to go in depth but really whats the point with this guy. We all know how it works. I did all the explaining I could up in the team building section. Roserade's sole purpose in life is to set up Toxic Spikes. Areodactyl srews this thing over, though. So I would normally just switch to Bronzong and see what happens. This thing is useless after Toxic Spikes goes up so I opted Leaf Storm over Grass Knot as most people do. So yea this thing works with Umbreon mostly. I prefer Toxic Spikes over SR and Spikes because its just more useful in my opinion. Its a bummer that poison types can absorb it but who uses those?​

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Nature: Sassy
Ability: Heatproof
EV's: 252 HP/204 Sp.Def/48 Def
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Hypnosis
-Reflect​

Here we have a general wall. Just an average Bronzong with a twist here and there. I gave him a bit more special bulk with the sacrafice of some offence. I don't really need SR so I skipped that and put on Hypnosis. Reflect is to further Bronzong's utility. Also I went for heatproof over Levatate because no player would dare ever use EQ on this thing and fire moves are becoming just as common (what with that stuppid little scizor running everywhere). Gyro Ball and Earthquake are just standard moves, nothing special really. I keep him alive with Vaporeon's Wish acting as a recovery move. So yea that pretty much sums this guy up.​

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Pressure
EV's: 248 HP/228 Def/32 Spe
-Thunderbolt
-Heatwave
-HP Ice
-Roost​

Haunter finally convinced me I need a Zapdos at Porygon2's expence(which he was right, I so do)... I put HP ice to retain the Porygon2 mentality, though. Now I'm not as scizor weak since I resist like every move Scizor has except pursuit which doesn't really bother Zapdos anyway. Still as countery as Porygon2 just harder to find IV's for. The move Heatwave is obviously for Scizor, and the other moves are to better replicate Porygon2 as stated before. This thing counters Dragons, Gyara, and other Steel types, too. Swampert is a worry, though. Fortunately, most Swamperts are leads and are OHKOed by Roserade.

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Water Absorb
EV's: 188 HP/252 Def/68 Spe
-Wish
-Protect
-Surf
-HP Electric​

I use to have Umbreon here. Now its this thing. I saw this coming, though. I used an Umbreon a long time ago, and someone said I needed to get a Vaporeon desperately. I did just that and my wins went from 66% to like 30%. Fortunately this is not the case in this situation. This thing is as amazing as ever and does prove a bit more useful from time to time. It's not a major improvement but its there. So yea Vaporeon continues to be a great counter to Mixape (even though Flygon did that already), and just about every other water type not named Lanturn. I say that because of HP electric of course. It is also great against pretty much all fire types.

Gengar @ Expert Belt
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 252 Spe/100 Atk/156 Sp.Atk
-Focus Punch
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire​

Yup I bet when you heard me talking in the team building section about gengar being able to take on Blissey, you thought I meant Explosion. Nope. I'm going for a less common set. One that can actually keep Gengar alive for longer than 7 seconds. Now he can take on Scizor, Blissey, Statusers, and the like. Other than that there isn't a whole lot to say about this guy. Sorry the description is so short...​

DUN DUN DUN DADALA-DUN DUN DUN
PRESENTING FLYYYGGGGGOOOOOOONNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!​

Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Lonely
Ability: Levatate
EV's: 172 Atk/80Sp.Atk/252 Spe
-Earthquake
-Outrage
-U-turn
-Fire Blast​

The star of my team. Not exactly the biggest power house out there, but still a very potent threat. Of course when you think about it, my team doesn't exactly get an A+ for power. Once again this thing is Standard. Straight from the stratagy pokedex right here at Smogon. You can go there to have a good explanation of the set. So yea that's my team. I switch Choice Band for a Choice Scarf here as many people Suggested, and I tried that out (did this last night at like 2), and its work out great! Actually I don't really have a big problem with Mixape, Lucario, or Scizor now, which is a BIG improvement. Now I can revenge kill things without having to rely on Gengar as much which is good because He dies mid-game. I try to keep him alive but come on-he's a gengar. Anyway back to topic, yea Flygon is awsome now. Almost always a MVP.​

Final Note
Thank you for taking the time to RMT. I know it was hard to read this thing but we got through it together. It wasn't exactly easy making this thing either. So... yea.​

Things I don't want to hear from you people​

1. Get rid of flygon-Reason-kind of ruins the point of the team and rapes it before my eyes​

2. Use this set:
Scizor @ Choice Band
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
Ability: Technician
EV's: 252 Spe/252 Atk/4 HP --Reason-He sucks
-U-turn
-Pursuit
-Superpower
-Bullet Punch​

Once Again, Thank You!!!!!!!​

 

[Huntofthelion]

Alright well since you don't want Scizor, I would suggest putting a scarf on your Flygon, otherwise, DDtar is going to walk through you easily late game. You also have a slight issue against MixApe, so I would suggest changing Umbreon to a Vaporeon. I don't see trap-passing really aiding any of your team, as no one sets anything up other than Gengar, who should have plenty of chances. Other than that, nice team.

Good Luck!

 

[haunter]

Hi,

as Huntofthelion said, Vaporeon would be a fine replacement for Umbreon, you have nothing which can really benefit form the trap-passing, and Umbreon looks like a dead weight on this team (if you ask me, I'd say that it's a dead weight on almost every team in OU). Try the standard support Vaporeon if you want a wish passer:

Vaporeon@leftovers
nature: bold
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Spe
-surf
-protect
-wish
-roar / hidden power [eletric]

Vaporeon adds a good Infernape counter - just beware of SD Ape - and roar prevents things like cro-Cune from setting up on you. Hidden power electric is for taunt-Gyarados instead, especially if you decide to follow my next advice.

Looking at your team I soon noticed two problems: SD Lucario, although it can be revenge killed by Gengar, but most notably Scizor. You're extremely weak to Scizor, both the CB and the SD variant. The former can hit everything hard with u-turn and then finish your team off with bullet punch, while the latter can literally tear your team apart after a single SD with a combination of bullet punch and x-scissor. I'd suggest to get rid of P-2 for a defensive Zapdos:

Zapdos@leftovers
nature: bold
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
-thunderbolt
-roost
-heat wave
-hidden power [grass]

Zapdos counters Scizor while also giving you a good switch into Lucario (just beware of stone edge variants).

Finally, since removing P-2 your team woud become slightly weak to scarf-Heatran (though Vaporeon is a good counter for it), I'd suggest to scarf your Flygon to earn a good way to revenge kill it and many other threats.

Good luck with your team!

 

[MrIndigo]

If you go Scarfed on your Flygon, replace the nature with Naughty and run Fire Blast over Fire Punch.

 

[ThePatriot]

once porygon-2 is gone tauntrados walks all over you, and scarf the flygon, other than that good team and good luck :)

 

[november1093]

KK my team has been updated! Tell me what u think of the results
I think I fixed these problems:
1. Heatran (Vaporeon)
2. Mixape (Vaporeon)
3. Alternate counter to Gyara (Vaporeon)
4. Lucario (Scarfing Flygon)
5. DDTar (Scarfing Flygon)
JUST ADDED SIX
6. Scizor (Zapdos)

 

[haunter]

You're still extremely weak to Scizor, especially the SD variant. Did you consider my suggestion of adding Zapdos?

Also note that scarf-Flygon is not a counter for Lucario considering that a +2 ES can ohko it. Though I'd be less worried about Lucario since Gengar can revenge kill it with hp fire, while it can't obviously revenge kill Scizor.