Metagame Z-Less SV National Dex Monotype

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Z-Less SV National Dex Monotype


Z moves are one of the biggest debates in the community right now and there are good arguments on both sides. We felt like the only real way to test out what a meta with Z moves banned would look like is to make it a real thing we can play, test, tier, and run tours with.


What is Z-Less National Dex Monotype?
Z-less NDM is a new format that bans the use of all Z-Crystals (and moves). This allows Pokemon that are currently banned for being able to abuse Z-moves to be unbanned. Pokemon like Dragapult, Chien-Pao, Spectrier and more. This format allows for a less restrictive meta in terms of banned Pokemon by removing a largely abusable mechanic.


General Rules, Mechanics, and Usage Tips
- All Z-Crystals are banned from being selected as Held Items
- A large group of Pokemon currently banned in NDM are allowed


Bans
Mechanics:
Terastallisation

Items:
Z-Crystals
:Booster Energy: :Damp Rock: :Focus Band: :Icy Rock: :Kings Rock: :Leppa Berry: :Quick Claw: :Razor Fang: :Smooth Rock: :Terrain Extender:

Abilities:
Moody, Shadow Tag, Power Construct

Moves:
Acupressure, Baton Pass, Last Respects, Shed Tail


Unbans
Pokemon:
:Darkrai: :Dragapult::Flutter Mane: :Gouging Fire: :Hoopa-Unbound: :Spectrier: :Zamazenta:


Council
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Threatlist and Considerations


Notable Additions

/challenge gen9nationaldexmonotype@@@+Darkrai,+Dragapult,+Flutter Mane,+Gouging Fire,+Hoopa-Unbound,+Spectrier,+Zamazenta,Z-Move Clause
 
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Right before the commencement of NDMPL IV, the council has reached the conclusion that Zygarde and Naganadel will be banned from Z-Less National Dex Monotype.

:zygarde: Zygarde
Even without z-moves, Zygarde still proves to be an overwhelming force. It's unpredictability in sets and bulk stemming from its high BST and set variety allow it to get away with too much, coming close to either winning games on its own or at the very least heavily restricting the checks available for it. And this doesn't even account for the support that it can have on ground or dragon to bolster its effectiveness.

:naganadel: Naganadel
No access to a z crystal, no problem (or in this case, it's still a problem). Naganadel once again is too strong, even for a format such as z-less ndm. While power creep may have added more that can check it offensively or defensively, it still far between few. Whether it's beating those faster offensive threats with access to speed boosting sets courtesy of beast boost, or still overwhelming defensive checks through sheer strength with nasty plot, good powered stabs and coverage (not to mention random access to hidden power which could lure would be checks, such as heatran). It may not be as close to effortlessly sweeping teams on its own, but the support on poison or dragon helps augment an already potent mon that was hard to check to begin with.

:gouging fire: Gouging Fire
Now we're already well aware of the impact Gouging Fire has had on ndmono. It was so restricting that it got banned in regular SV National Dex Monotype. That being said, with the additional pool of mons in this format, Gouging Fire appears quite tame in the meta, for now. This may change later down the line with more meta developments, but we'll see.

Vote breakdown:
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ZygardeBanBanBanBanBanBan
NaganadelBanBanBanBanBanBan
Gouging FireDo not BanDo not BanDo not BanDo not BanBanBan
The council is still looking into what mons might be questionable for this format but this seems to be a good step for now.
Enjoy ndmpl everyone.
 
After hearing your feedback and reviewing the data after NDMPL, the council has decided to implement some bans to help balance Z-less ahead of upcoming tours.

The results are in and Baxcalibur, Chien-Pao, Espathra, Kingambit, and Ursaluna-Bloodmoon have all been banned.

Vote breakdown:
style.cssSunnyboi0NekoMateeusVodoomMaroonResult:
BaxcaliburBanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainBan
Chien-PaoBanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainBan
DarkraiDo not BanDo not BanDo not BanDo Not BanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
DragapultDo not BanDo not BanDo not BanDo Not BanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
EspathraBanBanBanBanBanAbstainBan
Flutter ManeDo not BanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
Gouging FireDo not BanDo not BanDo not BanBanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
Hoopa-UnboundBanDo not BanDo not BanBanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
KingambitBanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainBan
SpectrierDo not BanDo not BanBanDo Not BanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
Ursaluna-BloodmoonBanBanBanBanBanAbstainBan
ZamazentaDo not BanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
 
style.css said:
After hearing your feedback and reviewing the data after NDMPL, the council has decided to implement some bans to help balance Z-less ahead of upcoming tours.

The results are in and Baxcalibur, Chien-Pao, Espathra, Kingambit, and Ursaluna-Bloodmoon have all been banned.

Vote breakdown:
style.cssSunnyboi0NekoMateeusVodoomMaroonResult:
BaxcaliburBanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainBan
Chien-PaoBanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainBan
DarkraiDo not BanDo not BanDo not BanDo Not BanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
DragapultDo not BanDo not BanDo not BanDo Not BanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
EspathraBanBanBanBanBanAbstainBan
Flutter ManeDo not BanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
Gouging FireDo not BanDo not BanDo not BanBanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
Hoopa-UnboundBanDo not BanDo not BanBanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
KingambitBanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainBan
SpectrierDo not BanDo not BanBanDo Not BanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
Ursaluna-BloodmoonBanBanBanBanBanAbstainBan
ZamazentaDo not BanBanBanBanDo Not BanAbstainDo Not Ban
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Hi! A bit of a minor nitpick post but currently the roomtour format for Z-Less does not have these bans put into place. Hopefully this can be fixed as soon as possible!
Going into the tour I personally feel Ghost is a bit too strong and action should probably be taken on either Flutter Mane or Dragapult (I don't think spectrier is the problem and Dragon also seems a bit contentious with Pult Gouger so)- but I could be totally wrong and ghost just isn't overbearing after all. I think we'll have a good idea after the tour.
Probably after then I'll have more to say regarding the meta but we'll see.
 
Athyestic said:
Hi! A bit of a minor nitpick post but currently the roomtour format for Z-Less does not have these bans put into place. Hopefully this can be fixed as soon as possible!
Going into the tour I personally feel Ghost is a bit too strong and action should probably be taken on either Flutter Mane or Dragapult (I don't think spectrier is the problem and Dragon also seems a bit contentious with Pult Gouger so)- but I could be totally wrong and ghost just isn't overbearing after all. I think we'll have a good idea after the tour.
Probably after then I'll have more to say regarding the meta but we'll see.
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