Thats true, Swellow needs team support to function as i have seen, and there are plenty of good spinners, we have two of the hitmons, claydol, and sandslash. All four of which are decent in the tier. and all of which laugh in rocks and steels faces.Swellow would be good, but due to the lack of good spinners in the tier, the fact that he needs Guts to do any damage, and the fact that Rock is the new Steel really prevent him from doing all that much in this tier. He's just too easily stalled.
Personally, I've found Steelix to be pretty great in this tier, as the only Pokemon other than Klingklang that hard stops Honchkrow no matter what. Speed schmeed, his physical bulk is still insane with no investment and he can set rocks, shuffle, and do fairly good damage. Also Mantine is the only Pokemon that even shows his face that resists both his STABs (although he isn't doing much to Tangrowth.)
I still wouldn't use Mirror Coat. I see what your going for. But Taunt would destroy this thing(I know Mirror Coat goes though Taunt) It would get Toxic'd and Taunted to the ground.Mantyke? Just drafted up this set in teambuilder.
Mantyke (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Mirror Coat
- Scald
Impressive bulk at 293HP (odd for sr damage), 314Def, and 427SpDef (amazing in a specially oriented metagame). Resttalk for health and status recovery. Scald burns things, so you can stall them out physically, and Mirror Coat hits special attackers. It fits like a puzzle piece because the things that scald wont touch will usually be special attackers (immune to water) or fire types (weak to scald), and so you can handle a lot of things with it.
This4) Ban the 'Broken' Rain Dance and Sunny Day Abusers only
Say, for example, Rain Dance teams are really broken--then are they broken without, say, Kabutops and Omastar? Would banning Ludicolo on top do the job? I realize that it's really hard to exactly measure what makes a Rain Dance team so hard to face because usually all of those go hand in hand on a same team. A lot of people psychologically is unable to tell the difference between two things when they always see them together. We see Kabu and Ludi on the same team all the time. Do we think that type of team is gay because of Kabutops, or Ludicolo, or both? Similar process could go for Sun Abusers. Is Sawsbuck too strong or is Charizard centralizing the game into Fire Blast spam and 4x fire resists? Then why not ban just the broken ones and leave the rest available for RU play?
I can't believe I didn't think about this. :(4) Ban the 'Broken' Rain Dance and Sunny Day Abusers only
Say, for example, Rain Dance teams are really broken--then are they broken without, say, Kabutops and Omastar? Would banning Ludicolo on top do the job? I realize that it's really hard to exactly measure what makes a Rain Dance team so hard to face because usually all of those go hand in hand on a same team. A lot of people psychologically is unable to tell the difference between two things when they always see them together. We see Kabu and Ludi on the same team all the time. Do we think that type of team is gay because of Kabutops, or Ludicolo, or both? Similar process could go for Sun Abusers. Is Sawsbuck too strong or is Charizard centralizing the game into Fire Blast spam and 4x fire resists? Then why not ban just the broken ones and leave the rest available for RU play?
You could argue that the fact that you get a power boost and then double up on the same wall is what makes them broken. Even then, you have to admit, if your options are limited to Floatzel, Luvdisc, etc. and leave only 2-3 good Swift Swimmers in Ludicolo and Gorebyss, then rain wouldn't be too broken anymore. Also, remember when Froslass + Moltres was tearing up DPP UU? They had to ban one of them and they decided that Froslass, the supporter, is what makes Moltres broken. Similarly, we could decide that one of the swift swimmers is the real suspect that allows the other, non-crucial swift swimmers just clean up after the broken one wrecks havoc.
Not to mention tiering updates don't happen very often (and the last one was very recent) so regardless of what happens then we're stuck with it for quite a while. The same is true in regards to sableyeSomething I'd like to remind you: Even if Alakazam is "predicted" to rise to OU (or at least UU) by the next tier update, you shouldn't ignore it when the time for "suspect discussion" comes: not only is there a slim chance it may not even leave RU, but you should ban what's broken, not let the tiering formulas do the hard work for you.
Specially because, if the community finds it to be broken in RU but doesn't vote on it because of the tier update, it may leave and then come back a few months from now. Yay?
Ninjask isn't that bad; the lack of taunt and MB espeon means even if he gets in for free he's easy to force out. Plus, his extreme frailty means all priority hard rapes him, and 4x weak to stealth rock means he can't mess up much.After playing for a few hours i feel that ninjask is the only thing that feels really broken, if it gets in for free it's almost always game.
I haven't had any trouble with either rain or sun teams, but that might be because i've mostly been running weather on my own, either sun or hail.
Thundurus is gone, and Rain got more common. While it is a different tier, the point still stands that banning Kabu/Ludi/Star/Charizard/whatever won't make it completely useless (Floatzel tiem!)I think banning pokemon which can abuse weather is just dumb, because when you ban pokemon which are good under weather, you basicly "ban" weather by making it useless.
Rather ban weather effects all togheter or nerf the rocks, both sounds good
Good sir, I saw the Spanish Inquisition coming. I expected this from the beginning of RU (not kidding, I was actually waiting for people to realize that Scarf BB and super-fast priority that will outspeed all other priority users bar Entei is awesome).THE SCARFKROW INQUISITION! (Nobody expects it!)
Archeops, Aggron, Bouffalant, Crawdaunt, Crustle, Durant, Feraligatr,It's almost to the point where Scarfcrow and Entei are the only capable physical sweepers left in the tier :(