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So, you're going to waste a teamslot on a defensive Floatzel so that you can outspeed Slurpuff. That's pretty absurd.
why would anyone run scarf floatzel anyway to begin with...
anyway, you can just run 40 evs to speed creep scarf deoxys if you're really that paranoid. works, either way.
anyway, you can just run 40 evs to speed creep scarf deoxys if you're really that paranoid. works, either way.
Yes, you are using Defensive Choice Scarf Floatzel (and a rain setter) to counter 1 pokemon. You are right.
New mon coming in in Diancie. For relevant info check here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/diancie.3500961/
STABmons handily solves the issue of Diancie's incredibly shallow movepool, granting it Play Rough and Power Gem so it is no longer forced to go mixed with its meh offenses. It also picks up mostly reliable recovery in Moonlight to back up its solid bulk, and is another viable Geomancer.
Diancie's biggest contribution to STABmons however will be Diamond Storm, a 100BP, 95% accurate physical Rock move with a whopping 50% chance to raise Defense (assumed) 1 stage, kind of a reverse Sacred Fire. This finally gives physical Rock-types a mostly reliable STAB, while its secondary effect will be greatly appreciated by more defensive Rock-types (try breaking AV Tyranitar now)
STABmons handily solves the issue of Diancie's incredibly shallow movepool, granting it Play Rough and Power Gem so it is no longer forced to go mixed with its meh offenses. It also picks up mostly reliable recovery in Moonlight to back up its solid bulk, and is another viable Geomancer.
Diancie's biggest contribution to STABmons however will be Diamond Storm, a 100BP, 95% accurate physical Rock move with a whopping 50% chance to raise Defense (assumed) 1 stage, kind of a reverse Sacred Fire. This finally gives physical Rock-types a mostly reliable STAB, while its secondary effect will be greatly appreciated by more defensive Rock-types (try breaking AV Tyranitar now)
Problem is it still doesn't get any recovery :(
Moonlight is quite good. I mean, Recover is better but Moonlight is acceptable.
I completely forgot moonlight is fairy now anyways diancie with recovery get hyped!
Prankster Spore is cool but Whimsicott is literally helpless in the face of Espeon, arguably the best Pokemon in the metagame, who murders everything with just Shell Smash and STAB Stored Power.
Don't forget about everyone's favorite nuisance, SS Sylveon with Pixilate Boomburst and Earth Plate Judgment. Oh, and it ALSO gets Stored Power.
Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
Imo sabeleye's the better prankster sleeper because of the powder nerf although dark void has a shaky accuracy at least it still hits grass types and overcoat mons.
I know I'm quoting myself, but wait a minute...
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I think Ursaring will still see a lot of play.
For watermons I think Magikarps Revenge would be the go to move (lol)
That rumored steam attack seems absurd in power. (I'm still mad that Moonblast is 95 when most other things got nerf'd to 90, and The punches could be buffed to 80 imo.)
For watermons I think Magikarps Revenge would be the go to move (lol)
That rumored steam attack seems absurd in power. (I'm still mad that Moonblast is 95 when most other things got nerf'd to 90, and The punches could be buffed to 80 imo.)
Back on Diamond Storm, it is compatible with Sheer Force, which Rampardos appreciates for a 130 BP STAB without ridiculous recoil. Sheer Force made Rampardos a surprisingly capable mixed wallbreaker in lower tiers last gen due to it seriously needing no Attack investment, allowing it to go all in on its wide Sheer Force boosted special movepool.
so you would run max speed max special attack minus special def? or max hp, max special atk.
Fix this set up for me please:
Rampardos @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Brave Nature
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake / Diamond Storm
- Flamethrower
- Stealth Rock
Set this up for me please.
Fix this set up for me please:
Rampardos @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Brave Nature
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake / Diamond Storm
- Flamethrower
- Stealth Rock
Set this up for me please.
There is no reason to run Rock Slide if you have Diamond Storm. I also don't think Rampardos has the stats to set up rocks. I think it works best if you give it +Sp. Atk nature and max SAtk EVs, it only has base 65 Sp. Atk and with max EVs it reaches 251, so I would switch Flamethrower with Fire Blast or Fire Punch. I'm not sure for a fourth move, but you could use something like Ice Beam or T-bolt.
I don't think Rampardos getting Diamond Storm changes its viability in any significant way. Rampardos is NU. Having a more accurate, less powerful STAB which doesn't give it recoil isn't going to help it much.
If we're to discuss Diamond Storm on anything, it should be Tyranitar. A more accurate Stone Edge which has a chance of increasing its Defense sounds incredible.
If we're to discuss Diamond Storm on anything, it should be Tyranitar. A more accurate Stone Edge which has a chance of increasing its Defense sounds incredible.
Defensive Fire-types are pretty rare. All I can think of is Heatran and Arcanine, and the latter is only because of Intimidate. I guess Volcarona can somewhat be considered defensive. Fire-types generally just aren't suited for defense.
Actually, Sylveon usually runs this set:
Sylveon @ Earth Plate
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 4 Atk, 252 SpAtk, 252 Spe
Naive/Hasty Nature
- Shell Smash
- Boomburst
- Judgment (Earth Plate turns Judgment into a Ground-type move.)
- Extreme Speed
So yeah, Heatran won't be a very good answer. Maybe specially defensive Skarm or Bronzong?
Edit: Calcs
+2 252 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Skarmory: 237-280 (70.9 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 171-201 (50.5 - 59.4%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. -1 0 HP / 0- Def Sylveon: 698-824 (210.8 - 248.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
So Bronzong is Sylveon's best counter. Even so, Sylveon usually 2HKOs it. I think you're best off running things like Scizor to check Sylveon.
+2 4 Atk Pixilate Sylveon Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 79-93 (22.9 - 27%) -- 53.5% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. -1 0 HP / 0- Def Sylveon: 768-906 (232 - 273.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Almost any Bullet Punch will straight up OHKO it after a Smash, as will CB Talonflame's Brave Bird. Talonflame will be slightly dented, however.
+2 4 Atk Pixilate Sylveon Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 105-123 (35.2 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. -1 0 HP / 0- Def Sylveon: 510-600 (154 - 181.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Priority is Sylveon's best answer. Or at least its best check...
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Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
Those are checks. They don't like taking Judgments from Flame Plate variants. Heatran's also a check for those variants, but gets destroyed by Earth Plate variants without a balloon up. Yeah...
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