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I still use forretress rarely, I think Hack might as well, it is viable not sure if B rank is right for it either tho.
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Gen 6 The XY Ubers Viability Ranking Thread [Read Post #1000]
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Could you explain why it's better is what I'm asking.
Because with Whimsicott, it has enough defense to set up Substitute and then leech seed with leftovers. That makes it a very strategic tank that even darmanitan and MixApe have a tough time dealing with.
Yeah those things are obviously amazing in Ubers.
Though 1 great thing about Whimsicott is that it walls Zekrom.
Disaster Area
formerly Piexplode
Both of its typings give useful immunities, it is very disruptive and not set up bait for geo xern, provides good stallbreaking, can encore dragons, etc.
Whimsi has Prankster and better typing, so I'm assuming this is why SubSeed Skymin is not seen much anymore? In fact, it's been a while since I've seen Skymin, how common is it now, and is it really viable anymore this Gen?
Edit: Well, obviously it's viable with such great Speed and Special Attack, I guess what I was really asking is whether or not it's sets are outclassed, resulting in usage drop.
Edit: Well, obviously it's viable with such great Speed and Special Attack, I guess what I was really asking is whether or not it's sets are outclassed, resulting in usage drop.
Forgive me if I sound stupid, but I think Arceus in general should be placed in S-rank as it pretty much fits the definition right on and then all of it's varying forms should stay where they are
Also, why is giratina ranked so low? It was pretty much the end all check to E-killer. Is it because of the introduction of Xern and Eve?
(BTW I find it hilarious that Zard is at C+ considering how it was literally a joke last gen.)
Also, why is giratina ranked so low? It was pretty much the end all check to E-killer. Is it because of the introduction of Xern and Eve?
(BTW I find it hilarious that Zard is at C+ considering how it was literally a joke last gen.)
Giratina gives too many free turns in this generation as many teams carry a fairy. Although it still checks extremekiller it's not optimal to run it on a team.
Pokemon: Milotic
Suggested Ranking: C-
Role: Special Sponge, Geoxern Check
Milotic has low physical defense, which can be very painful. Also, it hates dealing with substitutes. To make up for this however, It can check GeoXern, and most CMers thanks to haze. Despite the low Def, it has High SDef, allowing it to narrowly avoid being 2HKO'dby non-geo geoxern thunder. Also, thanks to this bulk, it can survive a thunder unless hazards are up, and haze the boosts. However, milotic will be at such low HP after that after the haze, Xern can just attack again to finish off Milo.
Suggested Ranking: C-
Role: Special Sponge, Geoxern Check
Milotic has low physical defense, which can be very painful. Also, it hates dealing with substitutes. To make up for this however, It can check GeoXern, and most CMers thanks to haze. Despite the low Def, it has High SDef, allowing it to narrowly avoid being 2HKO'dby non-geo geoxern thunder. Also, thanks to this bulk, it can survive a thunder unless hazards are up, and haze the boosts. However, milotic will be at such low HP after that after the haze, Xern can just attack again to finish off Milo.
It isn't even a Geoxern Check because it a.) can't switch in and b.) can't do shit in return. Miltoic is such a small niche I don't think it is worth it to rank.
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Milotic: 328-386 (83.2 - 97.9%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Def not a Xern check.
>implying I didn't notice that
It works. Barely. You switch it into the geo. Also, Minority, you might want to factor in leftovers, so Milo is at around 94% HP after SR.
While I'm at it, if xerneas is NOT of the geomancy variant, then Milotic can actually sponge a few hits and toxic back.
But other Xerneas checks are just plain better... and actually can take a hit (Moonblast does nearly as much as Thunder anyway, no hope)
Well, non-elec or grass arceus will have major troubles, as haze prevents them from setting up. While I'm at it, it also stops baton pass cold, and can sponge most special hits from the likes of palkia, although it has a harder time if thunder gets involved.
Base 95/79/125 defences is pretty decent enough to sponge most special attacks aimed at Milotic unless they're SE or Psystrike. Also, Milotic can use scald, which can induce headaches in the opp.
obviously, this isn't something you can just slap onto most teams.
*Ok, I know I said C- before, but how about D instead?*
I wouldn't rank Milotic. Nobody is using it, not even Sweep
Actually, lets not rank this. waaay too niche and outclassed. *what was I getting myself into?*
Yveltal deserves to be S. It's the most versatile mon ever, you can play it all out, mixed, physically or specially oriented wall, scarfed...even banded and specsed version (banded sucker punch is a clean OHKO on Scarfogre for example lol) are hella fun to play, it's got a great typing and i doesn't need a lot of support to be good, maybe defog but nothing more, and every bulky arceus (which is on pretty much every team) has it.
a S- rank would be nice, Yveltal is way too good to be at the same place of mons like Blaziken imo.
a S- rank would be nice, Yveltal is way too good to be at the same place of mons like Blaziken imo.
252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 316-373 (92.3 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
That's not a clean OHKO, but it is scarily impressive. Just clearing that up.
Arceus-Ghost is so powerful its disgusting I hate facing it probs should be S. Yveltal I dunno, there's really no point making an S- rank just for it. If its more powerful than other stuff in A+ maybe the other stuff doesn't deserve A+ :?
wow, blaziken at A+? can someone say which set it uses and show me replays of it wrecking? i never had much trouble facing it, and it's higher than arceus-ghost, zekrom, and etc...
Arceus is taking your Arceus-slot in a team, offensive teams uses Electric/Ekillerceus and defensive teams uses Water/Grass/Rock/Ground/Ghost/(the defensive version)Poison/Steel...So it's not that easy fitting SDGhostceus in your team imo.
It's not at threatening as Ekiller and Yveltal wall him easily.
Btw Aegislash is a pretty good toxic support and a nice check to Xerneas/Fairyceus/Sylveon/Lugia/Mewtwo and one of the only mons to not being trapper by Gengar., with Head smash it is also a pretty good lure to Ho-oh, B- is a little bit too low in my opinion.
You musn t build a team around Arceus. Arceus often fills the wholes of ur teams. Just add SD Ghostceus to a HO Team
I disagree with arceus ghost for s. It is still massively threatened by far as many do have shadow ball. More importantly, it is very check able with ygod, darkceus, hooh, and random bulky shit with toxic like spdef Kia. Still a threat, and I am fine with a+. But to compare it to ogre, gar, xern, and mewteo is overreaching. Also, how do people feel about blaziken to s, it literally has no counters and threatens every playstyle, the best Switchin, lando t, loses if it switches in on an ad or a flare blitz in the sun
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