During the dynamic punch thread, I gained a bit of insight into possible solutions into improving our metagame whilst looking for potential solutions for the machoke situation that had currently arisen in PU.
Whilst it is deemed that Machoke, by the majority of the PU community is not a broken pokemon on its own, it was being considered for suspect because it uses confusion to break through its checks and counters through the form of dynamic punch + no guard, meaning it never misses, hence has always a 100% chance to confuse the target which leads me onto the thought that the confusion chance was broken, rather than the option of a 100 damage 100% accurate stab that never missed, as it would simply use cross chop instead.
From the dpunch thread, I gathered that Dpunch on its own is not broken, however the combination of dpunch of no guard on selected good pokemon is uncompetitive, which leads me to similar scenarios with similar bans in place. Chatter and swagger come to mind, which lead me to believe it is simply the thought of a move that 100% inflicts confusion, leaves the game into a 50/50 situation, which in result takes the competitive edge away from the game with certain moves. So i propose as a consequence we suspect 100% confusion chance, or better yet ban them as they aid nothing but a coin flip to our competitive battling experience. As a result, this would mean that moves such as Confuse ray and the combination of no guard + dynamic punch would be illegal as it would provide a healthier experience for games in terms of competitive pokemon is concerned.
It is in ways a "complex ban", however we're not banning the move of dpunch, nor are we banning the balanced pokemon which is machoke in pu, it is the mechanic of 100% confusion chance with its main stab which causes the impression it is unhealthy, hence in this account, i think it is appropriate this should be considered for discussion.
This does not mean I am proposing that we ban moves such as water pulse or outrage which have either a 10% confusion chance or a self inflicted confusion chance, I am simply suggesting that moves such as confuse ray, swagger, dynamic punch + no guard, chatter are all uncompetitive, and the only reason why this hasn't been considered for a ban any sooner is because the pokemon which moves these are distributed to are either not very good in their respective tier until it has become a problem in PU.
Whilst it is deemed that Machoke, by the majority of the PU community is not a broken pokemon on its own, it was being considered for suspect because it uses confusion to break through its checks and counters through the form of dynamic punch + no guard, meaning it never misses, hence has always a 100% chance to confuse the target which leads me onto the thought that the confusion chance was broken, rather than the option of a 100 damage 100% accurate stab that never missed, as it would simply use cross chop instead.
From the dpunch thread, I gathered that Dpunch on its own is not broken, however the combination of dpunch of no guard on selected good pokemon is uncompetitive, which leads me to similar scenarios with similar bans in place. Chatter and swagger come to mind, which lead me to believe it is simply the thought of a move that 100% inflicts confusion, leaves the game into a 50/50 situation, which in result takes the competitive edge away from the game with certain moves. So i propose as a consequence we suspect 100% confusion chance, or better yet ban them as they aid nothing but a coin flip to our competitive battling experience. As a result, this would mean that moves such as Confuse ray and the combination of no guard + dynamic punch would be illegal as it would provide a healthier experience for games in terms of competitive pokemon is concerned.
It is in ways a "complex ban", however we're not banning the move of dpunch, nor are we banning the balanced pokemon which is machoke in pu, it is the mechanic of 100% confusion chance with its main stab which causes the impression it is unhealthy, hence in this account, i think it is appropriate this should be considered for discussion.
This does not mean I am proposing that we ban moves such as water pulse or outrage which have either a 10% confusion chance or a self inflicted confusion chance, I am simply suggesting that moves such as confuse ray, swagger, dynamic punch + no guard, chatter are all uncompetitive, and the only reason why this hasn't been considered for a ban any sooner is because the pokemon which moves these are distributed to are either not very good in their respective tier until it has become a problem in PU.