If there is a mon that is broken due to a particular set, we ban that mon entirely. Period. Even though physical Skymin may not be broken in the doubles metagame, we banned Skymin because its other sets are broken/ban worthy. This has been an essential part of Smogon's banning philosophy since forever, so nonsense like this shouldn't be discussed.While I don't really expect anyone to agree with it at this point, I would just like to establish why I feel still allowing Jirachi without Follow Me is important. Contrary to popular belief, I think Jirachi would STILL be a solid mon without Follow Me. It still gets other support options in things like Helping Hand, Icy Wind/Thunder Wave/Trick Room, Screens, and even Skill Swap. I also has offensive options which due to the extreme nature of Follow Me aren't even being used right now. Scarf sets could potentially be a thing with U-turn, it actually gets Moonblast and Play Rough through events to hit Dark-types, and it also has the elemental punches. The fact it can go special-side for attacking would distinguish it a lot from Mega Metagross imo. Don't get me wrong, people are right to say it won't be nearly as good as before, but I think having a mon that is fairly unique remain in the meta albeit without its "broken" attribute is reasonable, and I wouldn't consider Jirachi without Follow Me to be trash at all.
If jirachi didnt have follow me, it would be cresselia with a chance to flinch. A momentum hole with occasional help through hax or speed control. Still a niche, but not a viable one.While I don't really expect anyone to agree with it at this point, I would just like to establish why I feel still allowing Jirachi without Follow Me is important. Contrary to popular belief, I think Jirachi would STILL be a solid mon without Follow Me. It still gets other support options in things like Helping Hand, Icy Wind/Thunder Wave/Trick Room, Screens, and even Skill Swap. I also has offensive options which due to the extreme nature of Follow Me aren't even being used right now. Scarf sets could potentially be a thing with U-turn, it actually gets Moonblast and Play Rough through events to hit Dark-types, and it also has the elemental punches. The fact it can go special-side for attacking would distinguish it a lot from Mega Metagross imo. Don't get me wrong, people are right to say it won't be nearly as good as before, but I think having a mon that is fairly unique remain in the meta albeit without its "broken" attribute is reasonable, and I wouldn't consider Jirachi without Follow Me to be trash at all.
yes its 60%hey i just want to get it in writing what the threshold percentage of ban/no ban is because last time it changed literally at the last minute and it was quite disgraceful.
(should be 60% ban)
Ban Swagger and #FreeMence!!!ban swagger holyf uck
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Congrats on wasting time getting reqs, Writing a post, and voting, for people to now know for sure that you have the metagame insight of a gate post.I will be voting NO
reasons:
I like using jirachi sometimes
I will be voting NO
reasons:
I like using jirachi sometimes
I have never felt like its too much to handle, no matter what its next to
banning this mon would really negatively affect doubles ou
to redirection is like cool part of doubles as compared to singles. Jirachi is already kind of bad at handling redirection because of its bad typing especially being weak to common spread moves like Heatwave and Earthquake. But the other follow me users who you can put safety goggles on are so much worse that it makes jirachi seem better than it really is.
so removing jirachi really only leaves you with amoonguss as a viable redirect and consequently makes amoonguss more viable with jirachi gone. I am predicting now that if jirachi is banned the same people who voted band will be asking for amoonguss suspect
also I dont feel like flinches are an issue considering that it tends to not run much speed. so most of my mons like heatran and lando are not worried about that flinch
Are these for real lol? There should be a de facto policy (only because being unwritten allows us to catch users that do this) where people dumb enough to actually admit their sole reason for vote decision is based on "i liek to use dis mon lawl" have their "contributions" ignored. You can seriously just be like "voting no ban" and at least appear to have justified reasoning, this is ridiculous.My vote is NO Ban
Literally, only reason I have is because i like to use it xD. Since I´m no expert on the meta, cant really put a decent reason, so yeah xd
ayy lmao lets unban Arceus while we're at it I hear Rockceus does a good job against Talonflame and is countered by JirachiFREE SKYMIN o// AND VOTE NO JIRACHI BAN o//