This seems to put the hype about UU Rhyperior in context, eh? With support to remove Hitmontop and friends, I could see RP Aggron becoming BL/OU.
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Aggron: No longer the retarded child of Rhydon and Registeel
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^ swampert is one of the three pokemon in OU that can actually take a hit and OHKO back (before it's hit again). 3 out of 51 isn't "many"
I really don't have to say it again but Aggron is just hype. If it does make it into OU, it will probably stay there though, since fanboys now have an excuse to use it over Metagross or Rhyperior (it doesn't matter if Rhyperior is UU, it's a lot better than Aggron).
Aggron's typing means it can be revenge killed by every revenge killer out there (ScarfMence, Heatran, Weavile, Gengar and Starmie come to mind). It could get a kill, mostly because Head Miss is actually strong, but I doubt it can faint more than one Pokemon in a match.
I don't like Miss Edge to begin with, so I'm slightly biased here. Aggron could do well in UU though, I can't deny that.
Aggron's typing means it can be revenge killed by every revenge killer out there (ScarfMence, Heatran, Weavile, Gengar and Starmie come to mind). It could get a kill, mostly because Head Miss is actually strong, but I doubt it can faint more than one Pokemon in a match.
I don't like Miss Edge to begin with, so I'm slightly biased here. Aggron could do well in UU though, I can't deny that.
I've taken 2-3 pokes out with Aggron in matches. I've also been able to take out 4 in one match, which is the most as of right now (I doubt it'll be able to ever take out more than that though). Aggron isn't the best pokemon and I don't think it's going to become OU, but when you use it correctly, it's a beast. If anything, it'll become a second Rhyperior. When Colonel M started the discussion on Rhyperior, it's usage rose into OU but now it's back in UU. I believe that's what going to happen to Aggron.
I made a simple test team with Aggron and so far it has served me well enough. I've been using no speed CB Aggron and it has been doing exactly what I have been expecting it to do:
a) Switch in on "weak" Pokemon or strong Pokemon using a move that isn't one of your three weaknesses. Many walls and choiced Pokemon have issues with Aggron, especially in SandStorm weather.
b) Stop trick choicers as well as overall choicers that use the "wrong" move.
c) Maneuver into a position (I have Uturn, Yawn, Leech Seed etc support) where the opponent needs to switch. Whatever comes in is either 1) instantly OHKOed 2) hurt badly to the point of immediate danger or 3) is Swampert and even then it takes like 50% anyway so it's not trying that again.
He puts massive dents into the enemy team. You aren't going to get 6/6 kills with Aggron (I have, but that's anecdotal evidence) what you are going to do is make that sneaky Vaporeon or Rotom-A that switches in thinking it's top shit lose 100% of its health even without SR.
a) Switch in on "weak" Pokemon or strong Pokemon using a move that isn't one of your three weaknesses. Many walls and choiced Pokemon have issues with Aggron, especially in SandStorm weather.
b) Stop trick choicers as well as overall choicers that use the "wrong" move.
c) Maneuver into a position (I have Uturn, Yawn, Leech Seed etc support) where the opponent needs to switch. Whatever comes in is either 1) instantly OHKOed 2) hurt badly to the point of immediate danger or 3) is Swampert and even then it takes like 50% anyway so it's not trying that again.
He puts massive dents into the enemy team. You aren't going to get 6/6 kills with Aggron (I have, but that's anecdotal evidence) what you are going to do is make that sneaky Vaporeon or Rotom-A that switches in thinking it's top shit lose 100% of its health even without SR.
I have yet to see a single Aggron in UU. I have seen multiple Rhyperior
Anything but Earthquake Aggron can easily take, and more and more people are realizing that Scarf/BandChomp is incredibly useful for revenging Latias, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, etc. Unfortunately, while Aggron can set up on ScarfChomp(who won't be using Outrage, since Dragon Claw OHKOs the necessities, til late game), ScarfChomp revenges +2 Aggron.
Well, it isn't because Aggron doesn't want to spread paralysis, it is because the majority of his counters are ground types. This is why pokemon like Celebi and Gyarados can effectively spread paralysis, because most ground types wouldn't dare switch in. Aggron does, however, enjoy using Toxic to cripple Swampert and Hippowdon.
I'd like to contribute a tiny bit to the Rock Polish set.
1. The set does not need 252 Speed, only 248, and will outspeed everything exactly the same. 4 Extra EVs for Special Defense.
2. I've just run it over a little bit, and from what I see, people are neglecting that after a Rock Polish, Aggron outspeeds everything without boosts up to Base 130 Speed. Then, with +Speed Choice Scarfer/Any other way to ger +1 Speed on, Aggron outpaces 252Spe Base 70s. This means that you can outspeed Choice Scarf Metagross, which could've easily switched in on Aggron on any attack and Solidly countered otherwise. Then with Neutral Speed, The fastest thing you'll outpace is +1 Gyarados. Gyarados doesn't really matter anyway, considering that no matter how Bulky you make Gyarados, it will just plain die to Head Smash.
3. Rock Polish probably has the best chance of being the most viable of the sets because after the Speed boost, you're talking Bronzong, Hippowdon, and Skarmory as switch-in, then Metagross and Choice Scarfers as revenge killers in the current metagame. Aggron has so much potential, especially with the Rock Polish set. Head Smash may be the new Bullet Punch one day.
Then again, everyone might start using Vacuum Wave Infernapes, and ruin the fun.
1. The set does not need 252 Speed, only 248, and will outspeed everything exactly the same. 4 Extra EVs for Special Defense.
2. I've just run it over a little bit, and from what I see, people are neglecting that after a Rock Polish, Aggron outspeeds everything without boosts up to Base 130 Speed. Then, with +Speed Choice Scarfer/Any other way to ger +1 Speed on, Aggron outpaces 252Spe Base 70s. This means that you can outspeed Choice Scarf Metagross, which could've easily switched in on Aggron on any attack and Solidly countered otherwise. Then with Neutral Speed, The fastest thing you'll outpace is +1 Gyarados. Gyarados doesn't really matter anyway, considering that no matter how Bulky you make Gyarados, it will just plain die to Head Smash.
3. Rock Polish probably has the best chance of being the most viable of the sets because after the Speed boost, you're talking Bronzong, Hippowdon, and Skarmory as switch-in, then Metagross and Choice Scarfers as revenge killers in the current metagame. Aggron has so much potential, especially with the Rock Polish set. Head Smash may be the new Bullet Punch one day.
Then again, everyone might start using Vacuum Wave Infernapes, and ruin the fun.
Metagross is still a solid counter. Adamant LO Aggron can't OHKO with Earthquake.
Oh, I just forgot to list a Metagross, even though I know he countered him, my bad. DX
Edit: Oh, from what I recall, I remember running Calcs on the Standard Choice Scarf Gross and it wansn't a good counter becase of some reason or another, where the Bulkier Varients of Metagross worked better, maybe I was smoking something
Edit 2: I realized what I did when I ran those Calcs. Its just that CS Metagross doesn't like switching in on an attack too well, but makes a Solid Revenge Killer, edited the above post so its a wee bit more accurate >.>
Edit: Oh, from what I recall, I remember running Calcs on the Standard Choice Scarf Gross and it wansn't a good counter becase of some reason or another, where the Bulkier Varients of Metagross worked better, maybe I was smoking something
Edit 2: I realized what I did when I ran those Calcs. Its just that CS Metagross doesn't like switching in on an attack too well, but makes a Solid Revenge Killer, edited the above post so its a wee bit more accurate >.>