I'm not sure if this has been said before, but I'd say Magic Mirror Espeon and Eccentric Ditto would make a great combo. Lead with Eccentric Ditto and you find out the opposing lead's moves. If they look lead-like enough, switch to Espeon and Magic Mirror does the rest.
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Espeon
- Thread starter Move_Zero
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I've been using Modest Scarf Espeon which served me well, especially against the likes of Shanderaa who try to come in and get 2HKO'd..
Tyranitar does remain an issue.
On the defensive set, I'd highly suggest using Psycho Shock, though. If the speed is targetted at base 108s. You'll want Shock to hit the fighting/grass type on its weaker physical defense, because it seems to be the most popular of the bunch these days, aside from my little pwny, who you want to hit on the physical side anyway because of the possible calm minds it usually sets up.
It does get issues with Roobushin like this, but lets be honest, since most of those are max SpD, you won't be surviving an encounter without max SpA.
Tyranitar does remain an issue.
On the defensive set, I'd highly suggest using Psycho Shock, though. If the speed is targetted at base 108s. You'll want Shock to hit the fighting/grass type on its weaker physical defense, because it seems to be the most popular of the bunch these days, aside from my little pwny, who you want to hit on the physical side anyway because of the possible calm minds it usually sets up.
It does get issues with Roobushin like this, but lets be honest, since most of those are max SpD, you won't be surviving an encounter without max SpA.
^I've found Terakion to be much more common than Virizion (and it takes slightly more from Psychic due to higher BP of the move), and, like you said, Psychic helps against Roobushin. Either one is viable, it depends on what your team needs help with more. I find that Cobalon and Virizion are much less offensively threatening than the other two.
I saw on the dream world release thread that apparently females have been showing up more frequently (an update or something?) which hopefully means they'll be access to female Espeon's with Magic Mirror in the future if Eevee becomes available through something other than the Japanese event. In the meantime a male one is still promising even though it does suffer from a somewhat hindered move set.
BurningMan
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I would always use pscho shock on this set as Terakion is almost always played with Sand Support and Birjion is now much more common (may change with the new Rain nerf). Roobushin isn't that much of an issue because i think it would be an 2HKO anyways even with the Def boost (can't do calcs because Psycho shock is glitched on my calculator :/). Infernape shouldn't be that much of an issue as i doubt it would survive anything you throw at it and can't KO back outside of CB Flare Blitz and Breloom sits in the same boat . Tentacruel is pretty common on Rain Teams and is hit much harder with Psycho Shock.
Other bigger Issues are that you hit Physical Tanks like Gliscor, Hippo on their stronger defense though you gain an edge against Blissey (but i don't know if you could threaten to 2HKO).
Espeon absolutely wrecks in Ubers. Leads like Deoxys are 100% shut down by it, Darkrai can be crippled with his own signature move (Espy has to be careful of Dark Pulses, but...), and it can carry Grass Knot to deal with Groudon and Kyogre and friends, plus stuff like HP Fire for Nattorei/Ferrothorn. Obviously it's fragile and not meant to take hits, but it's fantastic for screwing with stall teams.
BurningMan
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Well i did this and you fail to 2HKO if he has a boost (checked for 124 HP Roob, as he usually runs some SDef investment, and 0 SpA Espeon). You also will never 2HKo Blissey after lefties wich is sad.
aren't most of the dream world pokemon male to prevent that though?
and just how effective is Magic Mirror over Synchronize?
and just how effective is Magic Mirror over Synchronize?
Really freaking effective.
so would someone kindly explain what does this ability does in detail since i usually have to go digging for new ability details, serebii never has much to say about them.
Basically, if the opponent uses any entry hazards, status moves, Leech Seed, Taunt, pretty much anything that isn't an attacking or defensive move, it gets reflected back at them.
Not possible. Also, I think you may have posted in the wrong thread.
Having both used Espeon / Xatu and faced many, many teams with Espeon on the PO server I have some observations that I'd like to share.
First off, Espeon usage drastically decreases as you go up the player rankings list. At the moment I'm in the top 50 (so high 1300s, low 1400s) on the PO server and, to be brutally honest, very few of the high ranked players use Espeon. I'm not sure how to explain it, unfortunately, but I think that it has to do with Espeon, as a pure Psychic type, just not fitting into the sorts of teams you'd see in the upper levels. Your basic sand offense doesn't need it, rain offense doesn't need it, sand defense has better options, other weather types might consider it but they're not really viable (sun is barely viable but often Xatu works better due to the ground immunity). Stall can use it but it doesn't need it and direct offense is out of style thanks to the large amount of revenge killers and Ditto.
Other than the decrease in usage, I'd also like to point out that any Espeon I _do_ see has absolutely no synergy with the team. Like, at all. And I understand that it's very hard to fit a pure Psychic type on a team nowadays but like it's as if people just add in Espeon because they need a 6th Pokemon and just decided "hey I think my team is weak to sr, better use espeon!"
And, on a final note, usually I end up setting my entry hazard(s) anyway so it's really just a matter of outwitting the Espeon until it dies or, and this is more likely, just plowing through it since Psychic is not a good attacking type and Espeon is going to rely on using a few obvious / low power moves.
tl;dr I don't think this Pokemon actually accomplishes much, but that may be because of how it's being used
First off, Espeon usage drastically decreases as you go up the player rankings list. At the moment I'm in the top 50 (so high 1300s, low 1400s) on the PO server and, to be brutally honest, very few of the high ranked players use Espeon. I'm not sure how to explain it, unfortunately, but I think that it has to do with Espeon, as a pure Psychic type, just not fitting into the sorts of teams you'd see in the upper levels. Your basic sand offense doesn't need it, rain offense doesn't need it, sand defense has better options, other weather types might consider it but they're not really viable (sun is barely viable but often Xatu works better due to the ground immunity). Stall can use it but it doesn't need it and direct offense is out of style thanks to the large amount of revenge killers and Ditto.
Other than the decrease in usage, I'd also like to point out that any Espeon I _do_ see has absolutely no synergy with the team. Like, at all. And I understand that it's very hard to fit a pure Psychic type on a team nowadays but like it's as if people just add in Espeon because they need a 6th Pokemon and just decided "hey I think my team is weak to sr, better use espeon!"
And, on a final note, usually I end up setting my entry hazard(s) anyway so it's really just a matter of outwitting the Espeon until it dies or, and this is more likely, just plowing through it since Psychic is not a good attacking type and Espeon is going to rely on using a few obvious / low power moves.
tl;dr I don't think this Pokemon actually accomplishes much, but that may be because of how it's being used
I pretty much have to agree with everything you say, though admittedly I am not that high on the ladder so cannot comment on usage. Whenever facing an Espeon with my most common team (Sun) I simply Volt Change out of it from Forry into something like Mebukijika who can easily OHKO it or force it out while grabbing a SD. It really isn't hard to eliminate Espy given its frailty, and something with more life which can spin hazards away is often more valuable (Tentacruel, Starmie, etc). I think it's most valuable on BP teams given it can reflect phazing and taunts, along with possibly problematic status, but for ridding yourself of hazards it's often better to use a MH poke in conjunction with a spinner as they are far more reliable and not as prediction reliant given that several spinners can easily take on the common blockers.
Am I the only one who thinks Xatu will end up surpassing Espeon in usage?
glorious xatu
glorious xatu
Magic mirror is currently illegal with baton pass, basically making it pretty much not viable on baton pass teams. Baton pass is an eevee only level up move while DW eevee isn't out and all DW espeon are male, not allowing you to breed for one with the correct ability.
Ah of course, I always forget that (cries about lack of SD passing Chlorophyll Leafeon). In that case Espy is even more devalued until it does get BP, since it's not the most reliable hazard preventer and is entirely prediction reliant.
It was fantastic before team preview. Switching into SR or Spikes leads was so much fun. That isn't really viable anymore though. Espeon is best against stall teams. Many common annoyers can't touch it and this allows you to either set up with CM or dual screens for your team. Against almost all other teams though, it's typing and offensive stats don't support it's abilitiy. You really want to play it like a bulky set up user, but it isn't bulky by any definition. If Umbreon had gotten this ability on the other hand... holy crap.
Espeon does get Baton Pass. Since DW Eevee is released all you have to do is level it up enough so that it learns Baton Pass and then evolve it. EGG MOVES are illegal on all forms of DW Eeveelutions (like Wish). Which means no Assist Power on Espeon :(.
EDIt: It says DW Eevee is released in the released DW pokemon thread btw.