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Eviolite
- Thread starter Garganator
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Either way, when I run any of those (especially Duosion) they continue to wall and stall untill the enemy gets a critical hit. Then I'm either KO'd or dropped too low and they finish me off before I can recover.
Eviolite users also make better Trick Roomers, as they are usully much slower than their evolved forms. Ferroseed can actually compare to Ferrothorn. His defenses are still lower than it's evolution (I think....) but he gets access to a more powerful Gyro Ball.
@above
Duosion has higher defenses after Eviolite's 1.5 boost. Reuniclus doesn't have that high defenses either, just moderate defenses with high HP.
Klang fails at everything except for Thunder Wave support because of its pathetic move pool....
And I haven't tried Shelmet yet.
Seed is Base 50 Attack versus Thorn's Base 92. Thorn's still hits harder.
Ok, i'm going do propose something crazy now:
Pignite @ Eviolite
252 hp/252 SpD/ 6 def
Sassy
-Curse
-Flare Blitz/Hammer Arm
Rest
-Sleep Talk
Use this on sun. 2 of 3 typings fire is weak to (and one of the reasons defensive fire pokes are... weird) are gone; water and rock (thanks to sun and fighting typing respectively).
With this spread Pignite has 384/219/342 defenses (the physical side is going to be boosted, of course). Decent enough, i guess.
Flare Blitz is really powerful under sun, but losing life while attacking is... counterprodutive. Hammer Arm is there, but beware to not get walled.
I THINK GAMEFREAK GAVE CURSE JUST FOR PIGNITE, SINCE IT CAN'T LEARN BULK UP LIKE EMBOAR
Pignite @ Eviolite
252 hp/252 SpD/ 6 def
Sassy
-Curse
-Flare Blitz/Hammer Arm
Rest
-Sleep Talk
Use this on sun. 2 of 3 typings fire is weak to (and one of the reasons defensive fire pokes are... weird) are gone; water and rock (thanks to sun and fighting typing respectively).
With this spread Pignite has 384/219/342 defenses (the physical side is going to be boosted, of course). Decent enough, i guess.
Flare Blitz is really powerful under sun, but losing life while attacking is... counterprodutive. Hammer Arm is there, but beware to not get walled.
I THINK GAMEFREAK GAVE CURSE JUST FOR PIGNITE, SINCE IT CAN'T LEARN BULK UP LIKE EMBOAR
Just thought I'd mention it because I saw someone use it in VGC on Pokemon Online and I couldn't think of any other reason of why they would.
http://91.121.73.228/VGC 2011/597.html
breh
強いだね
I actually suggested a similar set for emboar a while back.
Optimal set, to me, would seem to be Flare Blitz/Will-o-Wisp/Curse/filler (rest, most likely). Getting rid of Heatran is not difficult, especially with team preview. If you're high enough on the ladder, you won't see chandelure :P EDIT: yes, it's pretty terrible without Shadow Tag... terrible defensive typing and meh speed doesn't cancel out with overkill SpA.
Essentially just Will-o-wisp whatever your opponent sends in first turn you have it out. as long as their counter isn't Lati@s or Reuniclus, you're fine.
Chandelure is suddenly bad now?
Chandelure has always been bad
It's rather useful with Scarf. It's pretty much exactly like Heatran, but with a slightly worse defensive typing. How does that make it terrible?
Why use it at all when you can use Heatran?
What do they do different, other than Heatran being weaker?
Scarf is shit on Chandelure, it's simple.
Just capitalize on it's huge power to sweep and you're good to go (sweep with Chandelure = Butterfly Dance passing or Flame Charge set, which can be potent with Sun or/and Flash Fire boost. No, you won't sweep with Calm Mind). Since it's immune to the most common priority attacks over there, unlike Heatran.
Otherwise you're playing with a worse Heatran.
Just capitalize on it's huge power to sweep and you're good to go (sweep with Chandelure = Butterfly Dance passing or Flame Charge set, which can be potent with Sun or/and Flash Fire boost. No, you won't sweep with Calm Mind). Since it's immune to the most common priority attacks over there, unlike Heatran.
Otherwise you're playing with a worse Heatran.
Flame Charge is a terrible move, it'll never activate when you need it to (If the chance is 50% like I believe it is). Timid Scarf gives you 426 Speed and 389 SpA, when used alongside a simple moveset of Overheat/Shadow Ball/HP-Ice/Energy Ball, it becomes a pretty good "sweeper" (if you'd call it that, I'd maybe call it more of a late-game cleaner but things don't have to be worn-down too much) or revenge-killer.
Chandelure and Heatran might as well be the exact same Pokémon, I cannot honestly spot one notable difference other than Heatran learning SR.
Um, Flame Charge's boost in Speed is a 100% chance side effect. Chandelure isn't as good outside DW tier because Shadow tag is its main hype. Tran is sturdier and has less weaknesses, particularly with the invaluable Balloon. But isn't this an Eviolite discussion...?
You know, one where Gurdurr, Seadra, Tangela, Duosion, P2, Gligar, Dusclops, Chanseyand Pignite are good.
You know, one where Gurdurr, Seadra, Tangela, Duosion, P2, Gligar, Dusclops, Chanseyand Pignite are good.
Yeah, I know that now. Also, speaking of Gurdurr, I've seen it used very well with Eviolite; it seems bulkier than Conkeldurr (I'm not sure if it's statistically bulkier though) and still does good damage.
Has anyone tried Surskit with an Eviolite? Its unique typing of Bug/Water grants really useful resistances of Ground, Water, and Fighting and Dream World grants Surskit Rain Dish which gives him leftovers recovery along with boosted defences. On a rain team with Drizzle of course. He can even possibly baton pass agility boosts to something more deadly like Azumarill.
While this does sound pretty interesting I really see no reason to use it. With 40/32/52 base defenses and pitiful attacking stats, I dont really see any use for it. Taunt would really screw him over, not to mention SR weakness and no recovery move. And hes also super slow at 65 speed.
I guess he could be interesting with struggle bug to lower SpAtk and force switches?
Hooray, but just saying, Eviolite Pignite should be used with Thick Fat. IIRC he was one of the best checks to Darmanitan.
This is most likely true, I just thought his interesting type combo was something to note as also being one of the few Eviolite users to actually get leftovers recovery. Another thing to note is that Surskit actually resists all forms of common priority in Mach Punch, Aqua Jet, Bullet Punch and Ice Shard.
^ Sucker Punch, but I guess that doesn't matter since it isn't likely attacking
Yeah, but it doesn't exist yet.
