Multifaction/FFA Flavorless FFA Game Over - Congrats to Da Letter El, Cancerous, and penguin344

zorbees

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I've been feeling pretty ill today (and yesterday), and while I could probably update, I'd rather wait until tomorrow. As such, Deadline is extended to Saturday, August 23rd at 10 PM EST.
 

zorbees

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Flamestrike died. He was Attribute A.

vonFiedler
and Articuno I died. They were Attribute B.

It is now Cycle 4. Cycle 4 ends on Monday, August 25th at 9 PM EST. Results going out now. EDIT: All results are out.

I probably will need another sub. Contact me or post here.
 
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zorbees

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Updating 3 hours early because I have it ready and I doubt anything will change.

Upside died. He was Attribute A.

Celever died. He was Attribute B.

Jalmont
died. He was Attribute C.

It is now Cycle 5. Cycle 5 ends Thursday, August 28th at 10 PM EST. Results going out.

 

zorbees

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All results are out.

We are nearing the end of the game, so I want to cast a public reminder that no alliance can have over 50% of the living players, and players will be kicked out of their own alliances if this happens due to deaths.
 

zorbees

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Ditto and Aura Guardian died. They were Attribute A.

It is now Cycle 6. Cycle 6 Ends Sunday, August 31st at 9 PM EST. Results are going out. EDIT All results are out.
 
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zorbees

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Slim Guldo died. He was Attribute C.

It is now Cycle 7. Cycle 7 ends Tuesday, September 2nd at 9 PM EST. Results are going out. All results are out.
 
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Hi everyone, I am now a kingmaker in this scenario. As you note, there are 7 of you alive. The big alliance was formed of 8 members, of which daletterel and Cancerous abused it and are working together with penguin344, likely. There is obviously a problem here - far too many of you are in agreement for the number of users alive. I am more than happy with manipulating this game against them, but think of it wisely - anyone who claims to be working with you is stabbing you; the numbers don't add up.
 
for example - user Zewwok was hit for damage two cycles ago. Strangely enough, the large alliance (consisting of both DLE and Cancerous) was made to do these actions

Actions:

me:
atk+1
bg aura guardian
attribute check pokeguy
hp check ditto
attack penguin

slim:
super cost down
safeguard zewwok
attack zewwok

ag:
atk+1
safeguard penguin
attack hook snaquaza
hp check snaquaza
attribute check snaquaza
attack penguin

moi:
atk+1
alliance check ditto
attack penguin

cancerous:
atk+1
action hook penguin
alliance check pokeguy
attack zewwok

This work?
I am unsure as to how much damage Zewwok took, but the attacks on penguin were blocked, rather than the attacks on Zewwok, even though Zewwok and penguin were on the same alliance (the obvious source of the mole was this occuring two continuous cycles). It is likely that they have all broken alliances with you, or if not, are trying to convince you that they are in it to win it, but it is obvious that these users were attempting to manipulate two alliances. Feel free to decide which of the three should lose :)

I would like to restate that continuing to help this alliance, even if you are team members (this speaks specifically to Zewwok, Snaquaza) is of no help. If you wish for more evidence as to there impending backstabbing of you and your collaboration, please attempt to seek me out. I am personally of the opinion that daletterel should lose, which would simply require two other users to target him at night with me, while we agree to action hook all the users in the game. This means all the damage would go through simultaneously, and while I would die, he (or any of the other members that is agreed upon to die) would lose the game. Note that this is important: no matter how many points anyone has, the best course of action for those not in the manipulative alliance is to action hook every other user. This prevents all bodyguards and attack hooking, meaning that the remaining four users not in this alliance can out damage them. At this point, I would likely die, and you are all free amongst yourself to decide out of the five remaining players who should win. Again - their collaboration is obvious, and if they are telling you they want you to win, it is clearly a lie. The proof is insurmountable.

For reference, my actions tonight will consist only of Action Hooking DLE and Attacking DLE. I implore the rest of the users outside of the alliance of penguin, DLE, and Cancerous to realize that even if they are promising to win with you, there are only 3 spots for winners, and their collaboration is obvious. I encourage Penguin and Cancerous to be Action Hooked, along with support of others in attacking Daletterel. Please contact me, because if this evidence is not enough, there are more than enough logs/PMs to support what has happened and what I say :)
 
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For more incentive, even if you are part of DLE's alliance - I can confirm with 100% certainty that I am action hooking him, and that he isn't at the max possible attack given the game scenario. The numbers don't make sense for how many are remaining (again, more than 3 users are left alive), and he will not be able to attack +1 tonight, so he is likely a weak target (at one of the better points to kill him, considering he is Attribute C)
 

Da Letter El

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Do not listen to moi, he is lying about himself to try to divert people from attacking him

Basically first he plans to set up an alliance of 8 to do his bidding while he sets up an internal alliance of 3 to do what he wants. He then decides to try to get users to protect him and only him during the nights out of personal paranoia. He THEN tries to bait another alliance into killing off his own teammate just to try to see how they react. If you honestly think this is someone to work with you have another thing coming to you.

I will literally die to a feather at this point. moi isn't someone to trust he has already broken his alliance with me and I am fairly convinced he had people attack me, although from just talking to him he denies that so I dunno. He is just incredibly salty because I attacked him when it was fairly clear he had no trust of me when I had no intentions of doing anything to stab.

Talk to me if you want to work together because I am now completely alone but have a ton of information.
 
rofl of course I'm salty. You stabbed me, who was willing to work with you with 100% certainty, for users who have already stabbed you :) I'll show you guys all my night actions, of course, these may all be faked, but let's see how selfish I am.

here are logs/pms as proof, which I'll provide for everyone's convenience. They are editable, which DLE will obviously claim, but there are quite a few so I mean I would have to be really dedicated. Also rofl at him pointing out the team of 3 things when he does it himself. (hint: just angry atm)

Here was the PM I received from zorbees last night. Seems like I'm the one that got fucked

You took 17 damage and are now at 3 HP.
Da Letter El and Cancerous broke the alliance of Team askaninjask and others. As you are the last remaining member, the alliance no longer exists.
Da Letter El broke the alliance of Snacks on Snaqs. As you are the last remaining member, the alliance no longer exists.
You were Action Hooked and all of your actions failed.
You were Attack Hooked and your attack was blocked.
here are previous actions I have committed that go against the claim I am a paranoid, self concerned player in this game. Note - I wanted DLE to win badly!

Super cost down.
Do the merger DLE is proposing (on phone, C/P is hard, sorry, just be thankful I'm sebding in actions)
Attack penguin
Atk +1 (10)
BG dle (8)
HP and Attribute check Ditto (2)
Attack Flamestrike
me being surprised/annoyed when I thought dle had BG'd me instead of aura_guardian

[22:35:59] moi: o
[22:36:01] moi: you bg'd me
[22:36:08] moi: ?
[22:36:14] daletterel: i think thats what i sent
[22:36:16] daletterel: lemme check
[22:36:17] moi: damn
[22:36:34] daletterel: why did you take damage
[22:36:51] moi: nah
[22:36:56] moi: i just thought we said
[22:36:58] moi: to risk me getting hit
[22:37:05] daletterel: oh no i bged ag
[22:37:15] daletterel: he was sged
Past cycle, I went on facebook to be sure! SURE! That I could contact him. I sent him an email to see if I could get him to send in actions because I thought he idled. I had full trust of him, and invited him to a private sheet that only Walrein had ever previously had access to, which he will of course deny. For someone who has trust issues, he are the entirety of the logs planning tonight with Slim/DLE, which are far too combersome to be faked. Tell me if at any point I seem selfishly interested/not fully intending to help him win.

Slim logs
[18:00:34] moi: hey
[18:00:37] moi: you here?
[18:01:15] SlimGuldo: hi
[18:01:27] moi: zorbees said
[18:01:31] moi: he wasn't going to extend the deadline
[18:01:43] moi: for FFA
[18:01:44] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:01:50] moi: so I wanted to talk with you as quickly as possible
[18:01:56] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:02:01] moi: I know you're GMT so I feel bad keeping you up :S
[18:02:01] SlimGuldo: have you spoken to dle at all?
[18:02:05] moi: the first day
[18:02:05] SlimGuldo: nah it's fine
[18:02:23] SlimGuldo: yeah i haven't seen him since then either
[18:02:26] moi: I'm going to try and catch you up to speed as quickly as possible
[18:02:31] moi: did he tell you we think Cancerous is fucking us
[18:02:40] SlimGuldo: yeah
[18:03:25] moi: okay
[18:03:34] moi: so we're gonna post a set of fake actions
[18:03:36] moi: in the group pm
[18:03:40] moi: to try and direct them the wrong way
[18:03:45] moi: and kick cancerous out
[18:03:59] SlimGuldo: that sounds good
[18:04:03] moi: I think DLE said he was gonna super cost down
[18:04:25] SlimGuldo: you did it two cycle ago right?
[18:04:27] SlimGuldo: cycles*
[18:04:28] moi: yeah
[18:04:33] SlimGuldo: he probably will then
[18:04:35] moi: I just wanna reread
[18:04:39] moi: what him and I were talking about
[18:04:45] moi: I have to email him quickly
[18:04:50] moi: zorbees said I could send in his actions if we get
[18:04:52] moi: confirmation from him
[18:05:04] moi: and zorbees also said that a lot of people were away
[18:05:12] moi: so I'm trying to just rush this so we can get the best hand from this
[18:05:13] moi: as possible
[18:05:16] moi: if a lot of people are idling
[18:05:16] SlimGuldo: why is he not extending if so many are away
[18:05:20] SlimGuldo: he's extended so many times already
[18:05:21] moi: because he's pissed
[18:05:25] moi: at that last fact
[18:05:32] SlimGuldo: eh i guess
[18:05:33] moi: idk if he's blankly threatening me
[18:05:34] moi: or not
[18:05:35] moi: ?
[18:05:37] moi: he might be bluffing
[18:05:42] SlimGuldo: not worth calling the bluff
[18:05:46] moi: but either way, I'd rather not risk doing that, yeah
[18:06:23] SlimGuldo: did you discuss who we're actually targeting?
[18:06:28] moi: I can't remember
[18:06:30] moi: gimme a sec
[18:06:32] moi: quickly emailing him
[18:06:33] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:06:38] moi: then checking the logs
[18:09:08] moi: okay
[18:09:12] moi: what we came up with
[18:09:16] moi: was finishing the kill on Zewwok
[18:09:41] moi: I mentioned this because Zewwok got hit last night for sure
[18:09:52] moi: so if he wasn't bg'd
[18:09:57] moi: that means that they don't really want him to live
[18:10:22] SlimGuldo: yeah i hit zewwok last night
[18:10:29] moi: yeah
[18:10:33] moi: so it seems unlikely
[18:10:37] moi: that whatever alliance is at work
[18:10:39] moi: trying to hit us
[18:10:45] moi: that they really care about him for more htan just his damage
[18:10:55] moi: so I think you and I
[18:10:59] moi: are gonna attack him
[18:11:10] SlimGuldo: the issue is that i'm weak this cycle
[18:11:12] SlimGuldo: and so is dle
[18:11:13] moi: I'm strong
[18:11:17] SlimGuldo: oh ok
[18:11:42] moi: I also think I'm gonna start
[18:11:44] moi: attack hooking
[18:12:06] moi: you should attack +1 obviously
[18:12:12] SlimGuldo: i got hit last night
[18:12:17] moi: you did/
[18:12:17] moi: ?
[18:12:20] moi: for how much?
[18:12:24] SlimGuldo: yeah i only took 7
[18:12:32] SlimGuldo: but 13 is a 2 man kill at this point
[18:12:36] moi: yeah
[18:12:36] SlimGuldo: so i'd quite like to heal up
[18:12:37] moi: ok
[18:12:39] moi: I can BG you
[18:12:46] moi: I think
[18:12:50] moi: we're gonna tell Cancerous
[18:12:51] moi: to bg you
[18:12:53] moi: in the main pm
[18:13:08] moi: but I'll bg you
[18:13:10] SlimGuldo: yeah that seems like a good plan
[18:13:41] SlimGuldo: how much attack do you have?
[18:19:20] moi: oh sorry
[18:19:21] moi: I got lost
[18:19:22] moi: um
[18:19:24] moi: every cycle
[18:19:25] moi: -1
[18:19:26] moi: for the scd
[18:19:37] SlimGuldo: ok so loads
[18:19:46] SlimGuldo: yeah the two of us kill zewwok
[18:19:49] moi: well
[18:19:51] moi: we know zewwok
[18:19:52] moi: will have
[18:19:53] moi: 12 hp
[18:19:54] moi: the thing is
[18:19:57] moi: he might heal
[18:19:57] moi: :S
[18:20:02] SlimGuldo: oh right
[18:20:25] moi: we're at a risk
[18:20:28] moi: now
[18:20:30] moi: if he does heal
[18:20:36] moi: there's not much else he can do
[18:20:41] moi: but fort he kill to be more likely
[18:20:44] moi: I need to atk +1
[18:20:53] moi: which means I can't also bg and safeguard
[18:20:56] moi: and we also need to safeguard
[18:20:59] moi: both of our targets this night
[18:21:11] SlimGuldo: hmm
[18:21:24] moi: dle can do one of the safeguards
[18:21:36] SlimGuldo: can dle bg?
[18:21:43] moi: not if we want him to super cost down
[18:21:43] SlimGuldo: or is he boosting his attack as well
[18:21:45] moi: and super cost downing
[18:21:47] moi: is really good
[18:21:50] SlimGuldo: oh yeah
[18:21:56] moi: I know this sounds risky
[18:21:59] moi: but I have another proposition
[18:22:03] moi: I willl
[18:22:04] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:22:05] moi: atk+1
[18:22:06] moi: hook
[18:22:07] moi: safeguard
[18:22:13] moi: attack hook*
[18:22:19] moi: if you heal
[18:22:21] moi: you're at 18
[18:22:25] moi: which means 3 people need to hit you
[18:22:47] SlimGuldo: hmm
[18:22:55] SlimGuldo: i think that may be the only option
[18:23:12] SlimGuldo: i can still die from 2 if they've boosted a lot
[18:23:12] SlimGuldo: 2 of them are B
[18:23:14] SlimGuldo: and i am C
[18:23:17] moi: yeah
[18:23:21] moi: I'll make sure to attack hook
[18:23:24] moi: one of the c's
[18:23:29] moi: b's*
[18:23:29] SlimGuldo: oh right yeah
[18:23:38] moi: I have no confirmation it'll work
[18:23:41] SlimGuldo: penguin is probably the better target
[18:23:44] moi: one sec
[18:23:48] moi: lemme just think about
[18:23:48] SlimGuldo: because they've been bodyguarding him
[18:23:50] moi: who they've been targetting
[18:23:51] SlimGuldo: therefore he's not safeguarded
[18:23:51] moi: with the hook
[18:23:56] moi: yeah
[18:24:04] moi: I think we may want to make it seem like
[18:24:06] moi: we're gonna be
[18:24:07] moi: attacking him
[18:24:12] moi: they're gonna hook one of us
[18:24:13] moi: fuck
[18:24:14] moi: ugh
[18:24:18] moi: this is irritating
[18:24:22] moi: I don't get it
[18:24:28] moi: I don't get how they have all the points to do this
[18:24:49] SlimGuldo: well we've been giving cancerous a super cost down every cycle
[18:24:53] SlimGuldo: if he is one of them
[18:25:04] moi: that's true
[18:25:11] SlimGuldo: pokeguy isn't in their alliance though is he?
[18:25:14] moi: no
[18:25:16] moi: I think he's idling
[18:25:22] SlimGuldo: that's good
[18:25:29] SlimGuldo: there's only 8 people in the gmae
[18:25:31] SlimGuldo: game*
[18:25:38] SlimGuldo: is it just him and dle away?
[18:25:48] moi: yeah
[18:25:50] moi: I'd assume so
[18:25:59] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:26:36] moi: you scd
[18:26:41] moi: so you're at 14
[18:26:44] moi: automatically
[18:26:47] moi: and that's a first priority
[18:26:53] moi: I think that's your best bet for staying alive
[18:27:28] SlimGuldo: i don't follow
[18:27:36] moi: im just stressed and annoyed
[18:27:36] moi: ugh
[18:28:10] SlimGuldo: i don't see how this has become so stacked against us
[18:28:23] moi: the explanation
[18:28:26] moi: is that we got fucked
[18:28:30] moi: by Cancerous
[18:28:32] moi: by pokeguy
[18:28:37] moi: pokeguy has been taking orders
[18:28:40] moi: but is part of no alliance
[18:28:46] moi: and is just blindly folloeing because one guy says so
[18:28:49] moi: and what they've done
[18:28:50] SlimGuldo: could we sway him?
[18:28:52] moi: no
[18:28:54] moi: i've sent messages
[18:28:58] moi: he's ignored everything
[18:29:02] SlimGuldo: :/
[18:29:10] moi: i'm annoyed
[18:29:17] SlimGuldo: that's bullshit
[18:29:33] moi: I have a new idea
[18:33:28] moi: I think I know what I want to do
[18:33:37] moi: and I think I know why they're doing what they're doing
[18:33:38] moi: thank you
[18:33:45] moi: they're not gonna hook the person
[18:33:54] moi: we're publicly saying is scd
[18:34:33] SlimGuldo: oh
[18:34:38] SlimGuldo: so cancerous gets it right?
[18:34:43] moi: yeah
[18:35:12] SlimGuldo: so who are you gonna say does it?
[18:35:19] SlimGuldo: if that actual scd gets hooked we are fucked
[18:35:24] SlimGuldo: the*
[18:35:32] moi: I think we're pretty messed unless this goes well
[18:35:52] moi: lemme just organise my thoughts
[18:35:56] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:36:50] moi: they only have enough money
[18:36:51] moi: for 1 hook
[18:36:54] moi: it's the hook we give them
[18:37:08] moi: one of us is gonna get hooked tonight
[18:37:25] moi: it should be me
[18:40:47] SlimGuldo: so do we just tell them the truth about who uses the scd
[18:40:59] moi: I think so
[18:41:05] SlimGuldo: since they're probably gonna safeguard me for the kill that forces it onto you
[18:41:29] moi: yeah
[18:42:10] SlimGuldo: i think the hit on me was one person with 9 attack by the way
[18:42:18] SlimGuldo: which is very bad news
[18:42:36] moi: it wasn't
[18:42:40] SlimGuldo: oh?
[18:42:58] moi: i'm just thinking about the math
[18:43:03] moi: you might be right
[18:43:15] moi: actuallly you are right
[18:43:17] moi: it was neutral cycle
[18:43:18] moi: 9 attack
[18:43:43] SlimGuldo: i think it has to be unless ditto and a_g were both very low
[18:43:50] moi: nah it was
[18:43:53] SlimGuldo: since neither you nor dle took any damage
[18:43:53] moi: anything else wouldn't make sense
[18:44:24] SlimGuldo: hmm i wonder
[18:44:32] moi: I think they've atk +1'd
[18:44:33] SlimGuldo: they need to kill off two of their own
[18:44:34] moi: every cycle
[18:44:40] SlimGuldo: wow
[18:44:49] moi: which bodes well for us
[18:44:52] moi: they don't have enough points
[18:44:55] SlimGuldo: is someone just using scd over and over again?
[18:44:55] moi: if we get through this cycle
[18:44:58] moi: no
[18:45:01] moi: I don't think anyone is
[18:45:03] moi: that's the thing
[18:45:08] moi: I think they've relied on cancerous
[18:45:09] moi: every night
[18:45:10] SlimGuldo: oh
[18:45:14] SlimGuldo: that's big
[18:45:32] SlimGuldo: the thing is us getting through this night
[18:45:48] SlimGuldo: i'm not sure how we stop them taking at least one of us out
[18:45:52] moi: we get
[18:45:53] moi: lucky
[18:45:55] moi: and play well
[18:46:08] moi: I think I know what I want to do
[18:46:13] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:46:18] moi: I think we're all gonna attack Cancerous
[18:46:30] moi: he's not gonna be bg'd
[18:46:35] moi: they're not gonna attack hook us
[18:47:07] moi: they may not even
[18:47:09] moi: hook us
[18:47:26] SlimGuldo: are all 5 of them just using attack up every round?
[18:47:32] moi: probably
[18:47:35] moi: I don't think
[18:47:39] moi: cancerous will attack us
[18:47:43] moi: I think he's gonna stay in our team
[18:47:49] moi: for the super cost down
[18:47:56] SlimGuldo: makes sense
[18:48:02] SlimGuldo: so that's 1 of the 5 attacks gone
[18:48:02] moi: so he'll attack pokeguy for sure
[18:48:08] moi: if one of them is idling
[18:48:15] moi: you have 3 attacks
[18:48:26] SlimGuldo: are we still attack hooking one?
[18:48:29] moi: yeah
[18:48:31] moi: we have too
[18:48:32] moi: I think
[18:48:34] moi: we get aska
[18:48:35] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:48:37] moi: sorry
[18:48:37] moi: dle
[18:48:39] moi: to attack hook
[18:48:39] moi: as well
[18:48:45] moi: I thkn that's what I want to do
[18:48:46] SlimGuldo: so no scd?
[18:48:48] moi: no
[18:48:50] moi: he scd's
[18:48:52] moi: we attack Cancerous
[18:48:55] moi: there's no way he's protected
[18:49:12] SlimGuldo: oh right he can do both
[18:49:37] SlimGuldo: there's absolutely no chance we're wrong about cancerous right?
[18:49:49] moi: wel
[18:49:49] moi: l
[18:49:55] moi: any of us could also be the mole
[18:50:04] moi: but
[18:50:09] moi: i am 100% convinced there is a mole
[18:50:20] moi: you're too new
[18:50:32] moi: because you weren't around for the first cycle canceorus fucked us over
[18:50:48] moi: but here's how I describe it in my head
[18:50:50] moi: there were two actions
[18:50:52] moi: each night
[18:51:02] moi: that were predicted correcly
[18:51:08] moi: as well as the right target
[18:51:10] moi: so that's three actions
[18:51:11] moi: each night
[18:51:15] moi: with 5 members on a team
[18:51:19] moi: meaning 1/5^6
[18:51:25] moi: in terms of just guessing
[18:51:45] moi: that's less than one hundreth
[18:51:45] SlimGuldo: hmm yeah it seems likely
[18:51:51] moi: of a percent
[18:51:57] moi: if you are the mole
[18:52:01] moi: i dont know how
[18:52:04] moi: it doesn't make sense
[18:52:07] moi: congrats
[18:52:08] moi: :P
[18:52:11] moi: you played an excellent game
[18:52:11] SlimGuldo: lol
[18:52:21] moi: but
[18:52:26] SlimGuldo: yeah it all points to cancerous
[18:52:28] moi: I think cancerous is the most likely
[18:52:31] moi: he's never scd'd
[18:52:42] moi: only ever been the beneficiery
[18:52:50] moi: and I think
[18:52:53] moi: we kill him tonight
[18:52:57] moi: so that we don't waste things
[18:53:04] moi: trying to safeguard other people
[18:53:08] moi: but we get who they won't suspect
[18:53:13] moi: zewwok won't be able to recover to full hp
[18:53:27] moi: so there's a chance that I could kill him
[18:53:35] moi: ignore that
[18:53:35] moi: sorry
[18:53:38] moi: lost in two thoughts
[18:53:40] moi: but either way
[18:53:46] moi: I think attack canceorus is the perfect action
[18:54:02] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:54:08] SlimGuldo: so we do that
[18:54:11] moi: yeah
[18:54:12] moi: I think so
[18:54:14] SlimGuldo: no need to safeguard in that case
[18:54:16] moi: yeah
[18:54:21] SlimGuldo: that frees up a lot of points
[18:54:27] moi: so we fake claiming
[18:54:29] moi: all the safeguarding
[18:54:35] SlimGuldo: if he is C like he claims we don't need defense break either
[18:54:40] moi: and if he's A
[18:54:41] moi: he should still die
[18:54:46] moi: there's no way he's B
[18:54:48] SlimGuldo: yeah you're right
[18:54:49] moi: because of process of elimination
[18:54:51] SlimGuldo: he can't be b
[18:55:02] SlimGuldo: snaquaza is inspected as B right?
[18:55:06] moi: yeah
[18:55:10] SlimGuldo: ok
[18:55:26] SlimGuldo: so we get that kill
[18:55:31] SlimGuldo: the next stage is keeping us alive i guess
[18:55:32] moi: we hope that they also targgeted
[18:55:37] moi: pokeguy
[18:55:38] moi: but I think
[18:55:42] moi: if we get to the next cycle
[18:55:46] moi: we have enough points to destroy them
[18:55:47] moi: in full
[18:56:01] SlimGuldo: i'd imagine they have the manpower to finish me and kill pokeguy if that's what they wanted to do
[18:56:14] moi: I want them to hit pokeguy
[18:56:16] moi: with at least one
[18:56:20] SlimGuldo: that would be ideal yeah
[18:56:42] SlimGuldo: we're doing two attack hooks right?
[18:56:46] moi: I think so
[18:56:52] SlimGuldo: i mean we could go all out and have all 3 of us do one
[18:56:52] moi: we attack hook
[18:56:56] SlimGuldo: but idk how i survive that
[18:56:57] moi: the people we claim we're attacking
[18:57:18] moi: I think cancerous trusts the alliance still
[18:57:18] SlimGuldo: so we claim to be going for snaquaza and penguin
[18:57:19] moi: to benefit
[18:57:27] moi: yeah
[18:57:32] SlimGuldo: hmm
[18:57:34] moi: so that they bg them
[18:57:35] SlimGuldo: that may seem a little off
[18:57:38] moi: or not
[18:57:40] moi: we could also just get
[18:57:42] moi: zewwok
[18:57:44] moi: and snaq
[18:57:46] moi: i think I said
[18:57:49] moi: zewwok and pokeguy
[18:57:51] moi: in the fake thing
[18:57:52] moi: I said
[18:57:55] moi: dle was gonna safeguard
[18:57:56] moi: pokeguy
[18:58:03] moi: so they won't target him
[18:58:20] SlimGuldo: that also offers incentive for them to attack him
[18:58:25] moi: yeah
[18:59:10] SlimGuldo: i think i'd probably rather get penguin with an attack hook since he's strong but if they're all on 9 attack then it probably doesn't matter
[18:59:15] SlimGuldo: none of them are weak anyway
[19:02:04] moi: this is hard
[19:02:14] moi: I don't know if I want
[19:02:15] moi: dle to scd
[19:02:17] moi: at this point
[19:02:34] SlimGuldo: how come?
[19:02:47] moi: because they're gonna hook me
[19:03:01] moi: okay
[19:03:04] moi: send your thing in for sure
[19:03:09] moi: Kick out Canceorus
[19:03:12] moi: out of team Askaninjask
[19:03:13] moi: and others
[19:03:25] moi: attack cancerous
[19:03:26] moi: hp +5
[19:03:31] moi: and alliance check pokeguy
[19:03:40] SlimGuldo: ok
[19:03:52] SlimGuldo: i assume they've been hooking people already
[19:04:05] moi: that's why the past two nights haven't worked
[19:04:06] SlimGuldo: ?
[19:04:07] moi: allegedly
[19:04:12] moi: and hey
[19:04:15] SlimGuldo: who have they hooked?
[19:04:15] moi: if cancerous isn't a mole
[19:04:24] moi: and they have lucky
[19:04:25] moi: "canceorus"
[19:04:26] moi: and
[19:04:30] moi: aura_guardian
[19:04:36] SlimGuldo: ok
[19:04:36] moi: except ag died
[19:04:40] moi: so we can't confirm
[19:04:47] SlimGuldo: how do we know at all then
[19:04:55] moi: I contacted A_G
[19:04:58] moi: to try and get him
[19:05:03] moi: to be "end game"
[19:05:04] moi: with me
[19:05:06] moi: and he seemed all for it
[19:05:12] moi: very, very unlikely he was working with them
[19:05:42] SlimGuldo: oh right and an action he was doing with a higher priority than attack didn't go through
[19:05:45] SlimGuldo: or something
[19:05:52] moi: yeah
[19:05:58] SlimGuldo: ohh
[19:06:02] SlimGuldo: he was safeguarding penguin
[19:06:04] SlimGuldo: i see
[19:06:07] moi: what i dont get
[19:06:08] moi: is how
[19:06:09] moi: safeguard
[19:06:11] moi: is lower prio
[19:06:12] moi: than hook
[19:06:17] moi: the whole point of safeguard is to block hooks
[19:06:26] SlimGuldo: yeah that's dumb
[19:06:40] SlimGuldo: surely it's only real function then is to make bodyguards useless?
[19:06:48] moi: yeah
[19:07:05] SlimGuldo: so if dle doesn't scd
[19:07:11] SlimGuldo: what would you have him do instead
[19:07:16] SlimGuldo: 4 of that goes on attack hook
[19:07:34] moi: I was actually thinking
[19:07:35] SlimGuldo: 10 on attack up i guess?
[19:07:35] moi: protect you
[19:07:38] moi: defense break cancerous
[19:07:41] moi: attack +1
[19:07:50] moi: do an alliance check on someone
[19:07:51] moi: just to make sure
[19:08:15] SlimGuldo: shouldn't need defense break on cancerous
[19:08:26] moi: not much else to spend points on
[19:08:36] moi: if he lied to use
[19:08:37] moi: us
[19:08:38] moi: he dies
[19:08:42] moi: so it's worth it
[19:08:51] moi: though he should die anyway i think is what you're saying
[19:08:56] SlimGuldo: yeah
[19:09:26] SlimGuldo: are we not gonna do any attack hooks then?
[19:09:32] SlimGuldo: because i don't really see how i survive without them
[19:09:35] moi: bg
[19:09:39] moi: though safeguard
[19:09:39] moi: yeah
[19:09:42] SlimGuldo: they're gonna safeguard me almost certainly
[19:09:43] moi: we can try
[19:09:44] moi: attack hook
[19:09:50] moi: idk
[19:09:53] moi: here's the thing
[19:10:02] moi: if all 4 of them are attacking
[19:10:04] moi: ie
[19:10:06] moi: pokeguy
[19:10:07] moi: + 3
[19:10:11] moi: you're fucked no matter what
[19:10:14] SlimGuldo: yeah
[19:10:18] moi: so we bank on pokeguy
[19:10:20] moi: not attacking you
[19:10:45] moi: or maybe we put
[19:10:48] moi: all three of us
[19:10:48] SlimGuldo: they've mostly been splitting their attacks so far haven't they?
[19:10:49] moi: on zewwok
[19:10:55] moi: so that
[19:10:58] moi: it seems like they need to add more
[19:11:02] moi: to kill pokeguy
[19:11:09] moi: okay yeah, that's what we'll do
[19:11:44] SlimGuldo: is this the fake action set or?
[19:11:48] moi: yeah
[19:12:00] SlimGuldo: won't his attack go through even if we're killing him
[19:12:06] SlimGuldo: or is that not how it works
[19:12:09] moi: it does
[19:12:13] moi: but if he's idling
[19:18:05] moi: changed my mind
[19:18:12] moi: but only for one thing
[19:18:13] moi: your actions
[19:18:22] moi: action hook cancerous
[19:18:24] moi: attack hook someone else
[19:18:30] moi: I know it seems terribly risky
[19:19:17] SlimGuldo: what's the reasoning behind this?
[19:19:28] moi: one of us is getting hooked
[19:19:37] moi: you gain 5 hp
[19:19:43] moi: two people will kill you
[19:19:44] moi: no matter what
[19:19:55] moi: we need
[19:20:11] moi: to try and make sur
[19:20:15] moi: only one of the main alliance can attack
[19:20:20] moi: and hope pokeguy is afk
[19:20:39] SlimGuldo: oh so all 3 of us are hooking
[19:20:47] SlimGuldo: i assume we just get the main 3
[19:20:49] moi: yeah
[19:20:56] SlimGuldo: hmm
[19:20:56] moi: and if you action hook cancerous
[19:21:00] SlimGuldo: he can't sg me
[19:21:02] SlimGuldo: or hook
[19:21:05] moi: yeah
[19:21:08] moi: but
[19:21:11] moi: he can action hook someone sitll
[19:21:18] SlimGuldo: oh
[19:21:18] moi: tied actions go off
[19:21:20] moi: equally
[19:21:23] SlimGuldo: oh yeah
[19:21:27] moi: but
[19:21:31] moi: it stops him from atk+1
[19:21:34] moi: or maybe
[19:21:38] moi: you should just do it to someone else
[19:21:41] moi: one of the main faction members
[19:21:52] SlimGuldo: well what action do we want to stop the most
[19:22:06] SlimGuldo: if we bodyguard me then it's probably the safeguard
[19:22:35] moi: dle would have to be the one to bg you
[19:23:08] SlimGuldo: so i guess if we're doing that then he can't super cost down
[19:23:30] moi: I think there's some inherent risk
[19:23:32] moi: with everything tonight
[19:23:35] moi: because they might also kill dle
[19:23:35] SlimGuldo: yeah
[19:23:42] moi: i think
[19:23:45] moi: we just have to hoep
[19:23:49] SlimGuldo: yeah
[19:24:02] SlimGuldo: our best chance probably is just stopping all three of their attacks
[19:24:20] SlimGuldo: or at least trying to
[19:24:38] moi: yeah
[19:24:41] SlimGuldo: how sure are you that they're not using super cost down?
[19:24:45] moi: 0%
[19:24:52] SlimGuldo: lol ok
[19:24:53] moi: I think snaq
[19:25:01] moi: is the person to action hook maybe
[19:25:07] moi: because if cancerous is action hooking
[19:25:08] moi: then we're fucked
[19:25:21] moi: but we also know that he cant' bg himself
[19:25:27] moi: ;and he won't scd
[19:25:57] moi: meh
[19:25:59] moi: fuck
[19:26:08] moi: this was a lot easier before you got hit
[19:26:16] SlimGuldo: yeah :(
[19:26:19] moi: okay
[19:26:20] SlimGuldo: it was only a matter of time though
[19:26:21] moi: I think
[19:26:22] moi: you should
[19:26:25] SlimGuldo: they were always gonna hit one of us
[19:26:25] moi: action hook
[19:26:31] moi: snaq
[19:26:35] moi: i think thats my final decision
[19:26:38] moi: attack hook him as well
[19:26:43] SlimGuldo: ok
[19:26:47] moi: i'll make sure to be the one
[19:27:00] moi: to action hook zewwok
[19:27:05] moi: attack hook*
[19:27:07] moi: the neutral cycle
[19:27:09] SlimGuldo: yeah i was gonna say
[19:27:14] moi: and dle
[19:27:17] moi: will super cost down
[19:27:19] moi: and
[19:27:35] moi: attack hook penguin
[19:27:59] SlimGuldo: ok
[19:28:08] SlimGuldo: so if pokeguy idles then we only have one attack going through
[19:28:15] moi: yeah
[19:28:18] SlimGuldo: because they're not gonna use safeguards on eachother
[19:28:38] SlimGuldo: i can't believe we're banking on someone idling lol
[19:28:58] SlimGuldo: i guess we have some reason to think he will but it's still odd
[19:29:17] moi: well
[19:29:20] moi: I also contacted him again
[19:29:20] moi: right now
[19:29:25] moi: saying they're planning on killing him
[19:29:26] moi: and that
[19:29:29] moi: he should get on irc
[19:29:30] moi: and talk to me
[19:29:36] SlimGuldo: ok
[19:29:38] SlimGuldo: how long until deadline
[19:29:44] SlimGuldo: 2 and a half hours?
[19:29:44] moi: hour and a half
[19:29:49] SlimGuldo: oh wow
[19:29:57] SlimGuldo: there's a risk that all these mindgames are in vain
[19:30:01] SlimGuldo: because cancerous doesn't get on
[19:30:08] SlimGuldo: in time to see them
[19:30:12] moi: well
[19:30:14] moi: they may also
[19:30:17] moi: not even be organised
[19:30:20] moi: and this may all be crazy
[19:30:24] SlimGuldo: yeah
[19:30:25] moi: and we may perfectly stop them
[19:30:31] SlimGuldo: i doubt that changes our actions
[19:30:36] moi: nah
[19:30:38] moi: these are the safest
[19:30:40] moi: we just need dle on
[19:30:50] moi: cancerous is online now
[19:30:51] moi: actually
[19:30:52] moi: so we're good
[19:31:03] SlimGuldo: oh lol
[19:32:03] SlimGuldo: so we basically have an hour and a half for dle to see your email or whatever you've sent him
[19:32:10] SlimGuldo: and get in touch
[19:32:10] moi: yup
[19:32:31] SlimGuldo: ok
[19:33:19] SlimGuldo: ok to recap
[19:33:20] SlimGuldo: i am sending
[19:33:26] SlimGuldo: attack hook snaquaza
[19:33:29] SlimGuldo: action hook snaquaza
[19:33:34] SlimGuldo: attack cancerous
[19:33:43] moi: kick out cancerous
[19:33:45] moi: from team aska and others
[19:33:46] SlimGuldo: kick cancerous out of askaninjask and other
[19:33:47] SlimGuldo: s
[19:33:50] moi: yeah
[19:33:55] SlimGuldo: ok
[19:34:01] SlimGuldo: if this night works out
[19:34:08] SlimGuldo: it will be amazing
[19:38:03] moi: okay
[19:38:06] moi: got his attention
[19:38:19] SlimGuldo: pokeguy?
[19:38:21] moi: nah
[19:38:21] moi: dle
[19:38:25] SlimGuldo: oh sweet
[19:38:36] moi: check your invites, i'll invite you to a channel in a second
[19:38:41] SlimGuldo: ok
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[19:39:13] daletterel: sorry im alive
[19:39:19] moi: join #supermariosunshine
[20:05:06] daletterel: lol i want to say more but i still dont want to tell slim i was working with you from the beginning
[20:05:07] daletterel: lol
[20:05:14] moi: iono man
[20:05:15] moi: I'm like
[20:05:17] moi: 5% worried
[20:05:19] moi: you fucked me over
[20:05:21] moi: but then again
[20:05:25] moi: you're probably the same about me
[20:05:29] moi: I think this is the right course fo action
[20:05:32] moi: and that we may have just bene
[20:05:33] moi: too late
[20:05:36] moi: if it was cancerois
[20:06:01] daletterel: i think this should work
[20:06:10] daletterel: im p sure you're working with me
[20:06:15] moi: yeah same
[20:06:42] moi: oh fun news!
[20:06:46] moi: there is a new big game coming
[20:06:48] moi: after super hero
[20:06:54] daletterel: !
[20:06:56] daletterel: interesting
[20:07:01] moi: it's bassmoi
[20:07:03] daletterel: i should join
[20:07:03] moi: it's a thing
[20:07:17] daletterel: oh man i was in supers when you were trying to get bass to work with you
[20:07:17] moi: we've logged around 12 hours on it this weekend
[20:07:23] moi: it happened!
[20:07:24] daletterel: i didnt know it was becoming a thing
[20:07:26] daletterel: nice
[20:07:36] daletterel: i'll join it assuming i have the time which i should
[20:11:10] moi: man I just want zorbees
[20:11:12] moi: to updtae now
[20:11:19] moi: because im gonna be playing tennis when he actually will update
[20:20:59] moi: alliance check snaq
[20:21:06] moi: attribute check zewwok
[20:21:07] moi: o
[20:21:10] moi: that was meant for zorbees
[20:21:14] moi: because i accidently sent in
[20:21:15] moi: 22 points
[20:21:19] daletterel: oh
[20:21:20] daletterel: lol
[22:16:40] moi: 5%
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[19:39:43] moi: okay
[19:39:45] moi: getting slim in here
[19:39:52] moi: sorry to harass you like that btw!
[19:39:58] daletterel: its fine i deserved it
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[19:40:00] moi: zorbees was just threatening to not extend deadline
[19:40:02] daletterel: i almost forgot
[19:40:03] daletterel: yea
[19:40:04] daletterel: sorry
[19:40:09] moi: yeah no worries
[19:40:14] moi: I always feel bad fb'ing about smog stuff
[19:40:19] moi: anywho
[19:40:20] moi: okay
[19:40:24] moi: I've been talking with slim
[19:40:28] moi: and we've got an extra layer
[19:40:30] moi: of problem
[19:40:32] moi: in that
[19:40:35] moi: he got hit
[19:40:54] moi: I fed cancerous fake actions
[19:41:08] moi: I think we take out cancerous
[19:41:09] moi: right away
[19:41:12] moi: because
[19:41:16] moi: slim made a good point
[19:41:25] moi: cancerous is the one we've been scd'ing
[19:41:26] moi: all game long
[19:41:28] moi: he's gonna have max atk
[19:41:35] moi: and he might even be the one
[19:41:36] moi: hooking us
[19:41:46] moi: i think we have to all in on this bet
[19:41:49] moi: because if we don't all in
[19:41:51] moi: we're fucked anyways
[19:42:24] daletterel: yea
[19:42:24] moi: opinions
[19:42:27] daletterel: this makes sense
[19:42:31] moi: okay
[19:42:34] moi: they seem
[19:42:34] daletterel: he's on a weak cycle if he's c anyway
[19:42:36] moi: unlikely to hook you
[19:42:39] moi: because they didn't hook
[19:42:43] moi: the person we claimed was scd
[19:42:44] moi: either nights
[19:42:50] moi: because cancerous would get advantage of this
[19:42:52] daletterel: so should i safeguard cancerous?
[19:42:55] moi: nah
[19:42:58] moi: the reason to do this
[19:43:01] moi: is because they won't expect it
[19:43:04] daletterel: kk
[19:43:05] daletterel: fair point
[19:43:08] moi: there's no reason to have him
[19:43:09] moi: bg'd
[19:43:18] moi: you have two choices with what you can do
[19:43:25] moi: you can scd + attack hook
[19:43:28] moi: one of the big three on their team
[19:43:33] moi: "big three" lol
[19:43:38] moi: or attack hook + other combinations
[19:43:41] moi: it's likely slim is gonna get
[19:43:44] moi: safeguarded
[19:43:45] moi: imo
[19:43:52] moi: so what we wanna do
[19:43:56] moi: is hope that only 2 of 3 can hit him
[19:43:59] SlimGuldo: that's been how they've killed so far isn't it
[19:44:06] moi: with the safeguard?
[19:44:06] SlimGuldo: they safeguarded jalmont
[19:44:06] moi: yeah
[19:44:13] moi: they safeguarded aura_guardian
[19:44:15] moi: when he died as well
[19:44:21] SlimGuldo: also with me current actions
[19:44:24] SlimGuldo: if two hit me i die
[19:44:27] SlimGuldo: my*
[19:44:35] moi: with any actions
[19:44:37] moi: if two hit you
[19:44:39] moi: there is no way to save you
[19:44:41] SlimGuldo: true
[19:44:44] moi: I think pokeguynxb
[19:44:47] moi: is idle
[19:44:49] moi: i pray
[19:44:51] moi: someone is idle
[19:44:51] daletterel: probably
[19:44:59] moi: i want cancerous
[19:45:00] moi: to attack him
[19:45:01] moi: because
[19:45:06] moi: they're likely to spliut it
[19:45:07] moi: knowing that
[19:45:11] moi: they only need two people to attack
[19:45:13] moi: slim
[19:45:18] moi: so all we need to do is get luvky
[19:45:26] moi: if they attack me
[19:45:28] moi: that's fine
[19:45:31] moi: they need 3 to kill me
[19:45:46] moi: so I think
[19:45:50] moi: your actions dle
[19:45:51] moi: should be
[19:45:55] moi: kick canceorus out of aska and others
[19:45:57] moi: attack cancerous
[19:46:00] moi: attack hook penguin
[19:46:03] moi: and scd
[19:46:06] moi: the reason you two
[19:46:09] moi: are attack hooking the b
[19:46:11] daletterel: do we want to scd at this point
[19:46:14] moi: is because based on past patterns
[19:46:15] moi: yeah
[19:46:18] daletterel: or do we want more actions
[19:46:18] daletterel: for tonight
[19:46:24] moi: there's no other actions
[19:46:26] moi: that would help us
[19:46:27] moi: imo
[19:46:28] daletterel: kk
[19:46:37] moi: next night
[19:46:39] moi: if we're still alive
[19:46:43] moi: we can at least
[19:46:47] moi: bg people
[19:46:52] moi: as well as attack hooking and stuff
[19:47:02] moi: and then
[19:47:04] moi: i'm going to
[19:47:08] moi: attack hook zewwok
[19:47:10] moi: who is either a or c
[19:47:17] moi: because i've baited myself ot get hooked
[19:47:19] moi: it's the least important
[19:47:29] moi: atk +1
[19:47:44] moi: safeguard pokeguy
[19:47:49] daletterel: why sg pokeguy
[19:47:51] moi: or maybe
[19:47:52] daletterel: it seems like a waste
[19:47:52] moi: db him
[19:47:54] moi: it's unlikely he gets
[19:47:57] moi: bg'd
[19:48:01] moi: so maybe I help them out
[19:48:04] moi: if they do attack him
[19:48:07] moi: so that he dies quickly
[19:48:28] daletterel: slim is gonna hp+5?
[19:48:36] SlimGuldo: no point
[19:48:44] SlimGuldo: they've got at least one person with 9 damage this turn
[19:48:46] SlimGuldo: even if i do i die
[19:48:49] daletterel: right
[19:48:49] SlimGuldo: from 2 attacks
[19:48:56] daletterel: so attack hook + action hook?
[19:49:00] SlimGuldo: yeah
[19:49:02] daletterel: kk
[19:49:02] SlimGuldo: both on snaquaza
[19:49:04] daletterel: cool
[19:49:07] daletterel: works
[19:49:23] daletterel: and we all attack cancerous
[19:50:19] SlimGuldo: yeah
[19:50:41] daletterel: k awesome
[19:50:46] daletterel: sending in now
[19:50:59] moi: oh also
[19:51:00] moi: dle
[19:51:01] moi: if you moled
[19:51:04] moi: which i doubt
[19:51:04] moi: gg
[19:51:07] moi: if I moled
[19:51:08] moi: which I doubt
[19:51:09] moi: gg me
[19:51:11] moi: if slim moled
[19:51:12] moi: gg him
[19:51:13] moi: gg guys
[19:52:12] moi: no matter what happens
[19:52:16] moi: im happy with this game
[19:52:17] moi: good fun
[19:52:18] moi: and I played wlel
[19:52:22] moi: im a bit dissapointe
[19:52:26] moi: we got blocked twie
[19:52:29] moi: i wanna know how that happened
[19:52:48] SlimGuldo: yeah this game will have a great postgame
[19:54:46] daletterel: yea this game was fun
[19:55:03] moi: ti's funny
[19:55:17] moi: if this works well
[19:55:23] moi: we'll have a kingmaker maybe?
[19:55:32] moi: with POKEGUYNXB
[19:55:34] moi: being the kingmaker
[19:55:35] moi: lol
[19:55:38] SlimGuldo: lol
[19:55:48] SlimGuldo: hopefully they take the bait and kill him
[19:56:02] moi: if they do
[19:56:03] SlimGuldo: because i can't imagine him choosing us
[19:56:03] moi: I think
[19:56:04] moi: we win
[19:56:16] moi: because then all we do
[19:56:17] moi: is
[19:56:22] moi: attack hook + action hook
[19:56:26] moi: the other team's two members
[19:56:36] moi: or maybe we do all three
[19:56:57] moi: but because of the super cost down
[19:57:00] moi: we can safeguard
[19:57:01] moi: two users
[19:57:06] moi: and kill them
[19:57:09] moi: if they didn't just
[19:57:19] SlimGuldo: safeguard doesn't stop action hook though lol
[19:57:20] moi: do the same to us back
[19:57:23] moi: yeah actually
[19:57:24] moi: if we get
[19:57:26] moi: to 3v3
[19:57:26] moi: tonight
[19:57:33] moi: it'd be a stale mate
[19:57:50] SlimGuldo: except i'll almost certainly be lower than zewwok on health
[19:58:02] moi: nah its just
[19:58:06] moi: o
[19:58:08] moi: i see what you're saying
[19:58:09] moi: yeah
[19:58:10] moi: action hook
[19:58:13] moi: is broken
[19:58:16] moi: f zorbees
[19:58:20] moi: it shouldnt be faster
[19:58:22] moi: than safeguard
[19:58:32] moi: but actually slim
[19:58:33] moi: either way
[19:58:37] moi: its a stalemate
[19:58:38] moi: because
[19:58:45] moi: or maybe not
[19:58:46] moi: idk
[19:58:47] moi: it depends
[19:58:49] moi: this is all so interesting
[19:58:52] SlimGuldo: meh
[19:59:03] SlimGuldo: yeah the way this has worked out is really good
[19:59:18] daletterel has userhost ~dalettere@synIRC-73F7339F.no.no.cox.net and real name "..."
[19:59:18] daletterel is identified for this nick
[19:59:18] daletterel is on &#supermariosunshine ~#ripvintagebooks &#circus
[19:59:18] daletterel is connected on monster.va.us.synirc.net (om nom cookies)
[19:59:21] SlimGuldo: it might be worth just seeing what happens tonight and going from there
[19:59:26] moi: yeah
[20:00:16] SlimGuldo: if it goes ok then there's a decent chance of at least some of us winning
[20:01:42] moi: yeah
[20:01:50] moi: it's really a guessing game
[20:01:52] moi: and we have to hope
[20:01:53] moi: that we baited them
[20:01:54] moi: the right way
[20:02:08] SlimGuldo: yeah
[20:03:11] moi: dle
[20:03:16] moi: thank you for the fun
[20:03:17] moi: slim
[20:03:18] daletterel: hi
[20:03:19] moi: thanks for the fun
[20:03:21] moi: rest in peace moi
[20:03:22] moi: 2014
[20:03:46] SlimGuldo: yeah thanks guys, this has been great :)
[20:04:49] daletterel: yeah this has been interesting working with both of you
[20:05:18] SlimGuldo: oh yeah dle i realised the other day that our original team of me you and jalmont
[20:05:30] SlimGuldo: was the same as our original team in ELECTRO
[20:05:34] SlimGuldo: or was it aqua
[20:05:38] SlimGuldo: i don't remember
[20:05:57] moi: slim how long have you been playing mafia
[20:05:59] moi: out of curiousity
[20:06:07] moi: I don't know because I dissapear in and out of the community for months at a time
[20:06:08] SlimGuldo: a while now
[20:06:16] SlimGuldo: i stopped playing for a while too
[20:06:23] moi: nah I mean like
[20:06:26] moi: I've been playing mafia
[20:06:30] moi: since 2008 :P
[20:06:33] SlimGuldo: my first game was superstars
[20:06:47] daletterel: rofl
[20:06:50] daletterel: i remember that
[20:07:15] SlimGuldo: wow that was in february 2010
[20:20:00] daletterel: i just looked it up
[20:20:02] daletterel: it was aqua
[20:20:07] daletterel: which we won
[20:20:15] SlimGuldo: yeah
[20:20:16] daletterel: although i guess i subbed out so idk if i can claim that
[20:20:33] daletterel: i think i can though i played for most of it..
[20:20:45] SlimGuldo: you played more than shade did didn't you?
[20:20:58] daletterel: yea shade was only in for a day or 2
[20:20:59] daletterel: iirc
[20:21:02] SlimGuldo: yeah
[20:21:14] SlimGuldo: i think he played longer in game time but we played out quite a bit of it on irc
[20:22:03] daletterel: i was pretty idle for a while i think i never actually claimed
[20:22:15] daletterel: and idled out partially because busy and also because a sub coming in would make being idle more believable
[20:22:30] SlimGuldo: i think you were moving into college or something?
[20:22:38] daletterel: yea it seems around that time
[20:22:40] moi: daletterel did you graduate
[20:22:45] daletterel: mid-late august
[20:22:49] daletterel: no i have 1 more semester to go
[20:22:52] daletterel: i took last semester off
[20:22:54] moi: ah
[20:23:01] daletterel: took medical leave because depression sucks
[20:23:05] moi: understandably so
[20:23:33] daletterel: im pretty sure i failed 8 classes simply from not doing the finals when i would have passed if i had in literally all of them
[20:23:34] daletterel: lol
[20:23:40] daletterel: so that was bas
[20:23:40] daletterel: bad
[20:23:48] moi: :(
[20:23:58] moi: hope things have been looking up recently
[20:24:00] moi: you're a cool dude
[20:24:04] daletterel: yeah things have been better
[20:24:04] daletterel: thanks
[20:24:05] moi: you've seen me mostly naked
[20:24:08] moi: i cant say that about everyone
[20:24:13] daletterel: that means a lot
[20:24:25] moi: i have to wonder
[20:24:29] moi: if any of my class mates were around firebot
[20:24:30] moi: in 2009
[20:24:33] moi: i hope not
[20:24:35] moi: is all im saying
[20:24:37] daletterel: hahahaha
[20:26:08] moi: man
[20:26:11] moi: tough luck for cancer
[20:26:13] moi: does all the work
[20:26:15] moi: moling us
[20:26:16] moi: gets kiled
[20:26:17] moi: even if they win
[20:26:18] moi: no reward
[20:26:36] SlimGuldo: yeah :/
[20:26:43] moi: but tbh
[20:26:48] moi: i think he should've realised that risk
[20:26:50] moi: and never moled us
[20:27:07] SlimGuldo: yeah that would've been great
You fucked up.
 

Da Letter El

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I stabbed you because I was fairly sure you were stabbing me. Considering I took damage I'm still not convinced that you're telling the truth. I'll post more in the morning but the basic gist is that moi is mad that I stabbed him and is now trying to get people to finish the job. I am willing and able to ally and give info to anyone who wants help with winning because as I said I'm basically alone at this point.
 
it's no worries, you're just more paranoid than me and overplayed your hand to be stabbed by other people. He obviously has allies (Cancerous also broke the alliance). I was action and attack block, completely destroyed damage wise, and have no play in this game outside of making sure you are punished for it. This will be my final post for this thread, but other users are free to contact me. I have no intention of winning, and have already sent in my PM - I am Action Hooking, Safeguarding, and Attacking dle. Users of the game are free to base their actions around this information.

just one last quick thing, I know I didn't get a hit in on DLE, so it's likely that he's feigning getting hit, especialyl considering how many users he was working with (conversation about me getting stabbed by him on IRC)

[00:59:00] moi: tbh you should've got me killde entirely
[00:59:11] moi: :S
[00:59:34] daletterel: someone idled
[00:59:36] daletterel: :/
[00:59:38] moi: ah
[00:59:39] moi: shame
 
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Da Letter El

Officially internet famous
is a Community Leader Alumnus
If I lose for being paranoid so be it.

I'll start from the beginning:

Session Start: Fri Aug 15 19:29:49 2014
Session Ident: moi
[19:29] Session Ident: moi (synIRC, daletterel) (~textual@synIRC-CC001879.dsl.bell.ca)
[19:29] <moi> oi
01[19:29] <daletterel> hi
[19:29] <moi> super team
[19:29] <moi> von mentioned
01[19:30] <daletterel> yes
01[19:30] <daletterel> i think
01[19:30] <daletterel> 7 man team
[19:30] <moi> idea I already had
01[19:30] <daletterel> would be strong
[19:30] <moi> nah
[19:30] <moi> lemme go further
[19:30] <moi> I've been getting this set up for a little bit
01[19:30] <daletterel> ight
[19:30] <moi> 8 man team
01[19:30] <daletterel> mkay
[19:30] <moi> such that
[19:30] <moi> with atk+1
[19:30] <moi> guarantees two kills with average distribution
[19:30] <moi> of cycles
[19:30] <moi> by next night
[19:30] <moi> focus on alliance checking
[19:30] <moi> to identifying problem groups
[19:31] <moi> i.e., those who have colluded with three other random groups
[19:31] <moi> because imo those are the most troublesome groups, given their protection
01[19:32] <daletterel> hmmm
01[19:32] <daletterel> and atk+1 is permanent stat boost
[19:32] <moi> yeah
01[19:32] <daletterel> which i just noticed
01[19:32] <daletterel> so we have 8 users averaging 5
[19:33] <moi> it puts us on equal footing
[19:33] <moi> and then
[19:33] <moi> the likely ending scenario
[19:33] <moi> is either
[19:33] <moi> we can dissolve it
[19:33] <moi> as a whole
[19:33] <moi> or it'd be backstab crazy
[19:33] <moi> but given the game as a whole
[19:33] <moi> that's what would happen anyways
[19:33] <moi> so it's better to have that occur with fewer people
01[19:33] <daletterel> yeah
01[19:33] <daletterel> i'm interested
01[19:33] <daletterel> i was considering just doing the super cost down though
[19:33] <moi> iono
01[19:33] <daletterel> if we're going to do the big team
[19:34] <moi> I would enjoy that
[19:34] <moi> as part of the team :P
[19:34] <moi> but in your own interest
[19:34] <moi> it may not be great
01[19:34] <daletterel> well my thought is
01[19:34] <daletterel> we're only going to have 8 with 4 as an average tonight
[19:35] <moi> its only one kill
01[19:35] <daletterel> yea
01[19:35] <daletterel> but
01[19:35] <daletterel> +1 atk
01[19:35] <daletterel> outprios the atk
01[19:35] <daletterel> so
01[19:35] <daletterel> if +atk is cost downed
[19:35] <moi> true
01[19:35] <daletterel> someone can easily do so the next cycle
01[19:35] <daletterel> and it's functionally the same
[19:35] <moi> we could also easily bait kill
[19:35] <moi> a new user
[19:35] <moi> as sad as that is
[19:35] <moi> just bait around until we find
01[19:35] <daletterel> not to mention it makes us way more functional for the next cycle
[19:35] <moi> an off cycle defines one
[19:36] <moi> like
[19:36] <moi> i'd be for it
[19:36] <moi> but that's fairly selfless
01[19:37] <daletterel> it would act as an incredibly strong incentive to join us
01[19:37] <daletterel> "join and you get cheaper actions"
[19:37] <moi> true
01[19:37] <daletterel> i imagine most people we ask are already going to try to be forming smaller alliances
[19:37] <moi> id be willing to help you as much as possible
[19:37] <moi> but
01[19:37] <daletterel> since i doubt most people are aiming for 8 people
[19:37] <moi> I'm just saying
[19:37] <moi> its a risk for yourself
01[19:37] <daletterel> so it would serve as incentive to get those people to join us in the first place
[19:37] <moi> and things can still work without this risk
01[19:38] <daletterel> i suppose that's true
01[19:38] <daletterel> but i'd be incredibly interested in a large alliance
[19:38] <moi> okay
01[19:38] <daletterel> and am willing to use that action to prove it
[19:38] <moi> I can mention
[19:38] <moi> that someone in the alliance
[19:38] <moi> will be super cost downing
01[19:38] <daletterel> yeah
[19:38] <moi> i won't mention who
[19:38] <moi> and you have no need to complete such an action
01[19:38] <daletterel> kk
01[19:39] <daletterel> i wont do so if it appears we aren't getting the numbers we think we need
01[19:39] <daletterel> but i doubt that will be the case
01[19:39] <daletterel> i think people will jump on this
[19:39] <moi> i don't know
[19:39] <moi> we'll see
[19:39] <moi> we have to be careful
[19:39] <moi> I don't want too many top users
[19:39] <moi> I am a bit apprehensive
[19:39] <moi> with who has already contacted

01[19:39] <daletterel> fair point
[19:39] <moi> considering inner collusion
01[19:39] <daletterel> i've only really talked to like 3 people now though
01[19:39] <daletterel> so
[19:40] <moi> who have you talked to
01[19:40] <daletterel> i dont really plan on stabbing!
[19:40] <moi> sorry, just want to know
[19:40] <moi> like
[19:40] <moi> I have mentioned this
[19:40] <moi> to
01[19:40] <daletterel> i talked to you, von, cancerous, and walrein briefly
[19:40] <moi> okay
[19:40] <moi> I have approached
[19:40] <moi> cancerous
[19:40] <moi> and von
[19:40] <moi> with this
01[19:40] <daletterel> kk
[19:40] <moi> as well as a few others
[19:40] <moi> i have 6 I think?
[19:41] <moi> yup
[19:41] <moi> two more needed
[19:41] <moi> we could contact walrein, he's cool
[19:41] <moi> but he's top
[19:41] <moi> or at least good
[19:41] <moi> which is worrysome
[19:41] <moi> iono how good he is but he is not an idiot :P

01[19:41] <daletterel> he's not an idiot but generally doesnt stab
01[19:41] <daletterel> i cant think of any time walrein has stabbed
01[19:42] <daletterel> from hosting lotr i can say that upside is a good user to think about adding
01[19:43] <daletterel> he's smart but definitely not a 'top user'
[19:43] <moi> is cancerous
[19:43] <moi> manipulatable

01[19:43] <daletterel> id say somewhat
01[19:43] <daletterel> hes not dumb but will probably go along with things
01[19:43] <daletterel> i doubt hed stab
[19:43] <moi> okay
[19:43] <moi> so
[19:43] <moi> we could add
[19:43] <moi> walrein + someone manipulatable
[19:43] <moi> I've been trying to get it balanced that way
[19:44] <moi> okay
[19:44] <moi> here is who I have talked to so far
[19:44] <moi> myself, you, von, Cancerous, Aura_Guardian, LightWolf
[19:44] <moi> Lightwolf is the most untrustworthy
[19:44] <moi> but he also understands the benefit of the large alliance
01[19:44] <daletterel> im talking to reinfleche right now
[19:44] <moi> he was incredibly apprehensive about things
01[19:44] <daletterel> he seems smart
01[19:44] <daletterel> should i tell him about this
[19:44] <moi> okay
[19:44] <moi> we can do that
[19:44] <moi> and then
[19:44] <moi> we'll do
01[19:45] <daletterel> so atm we have
[19:45] <moi> walrein attempts
01[19:45] <daletterel> me you cancerous von
01[19:45] <daletterel> then adding reinflech walrein and then 2 more?
[19:45] <moi> I'm okay with adding lightwolf
[19:45] <moi> he is informed
[19:45] <moi> I want to keep the idea
[19:45] <moi> within everyone I've talked to
[19:45] <moi> I'm fine with people being flaky
[19:45] <moi> because they become targets
01[19:45] <daletterel> ok im dumb
[19:45] <moi> at signs of backstabbing
01[19:45] <daletterel> reinfleche isnt playing
[19:46] <moi> o
[19:46] <moi> lol
01[19:46] <daletterel> he was in channel
01[19:46] <daletterel> im bad
01[19:47] <daletterel> ok so we're planning on adding ag and lw to this
[19:47] <moi> yeah
01[19:47] <daletterel> kk
[19:47] <moi> and then mention it to no one else
01[19:47] <daletterel> well with walrein
01[19:47] <daletterel> that's still just 7
[19:47] <moi> so we limit the people who would be bg'ing tonight
[19:47] <moi> yeah ofc
[19:47] <moi> and then one more
[19:48] <moi> but after the 8 i mean
01[19:48] <daletterel> yea
01[19:48] <daletterel> k
01[19:48] <daletterel> i think upside would be a good person let me see if he's on
This goes on; bolded is relevant stuff that set off alarm bells upon joining.

Session Start: Wed Aug 20 19:22:29 2014
Session Ident: moi
01[19:22] <daletterel> um moi if pidge took 9 from 7
01[19:22] <daletterel> then he's c isnt he
01[19:22] <daletterel> so he'll have 2 defense
01[19:23] <daletterel> if we're averaging 5 6 6 his def is 6 we deal 11
01[19:23] <daletterel> oh ok nvm we can get away with this
01[19:23] <daletterel> well
01[19:23] <daletterel> if he does hp+5
01[19:23] <daletterel> we cant
01[19:23] <daletterel> oh we can action hook him
01[19:23] <daletterel> ez
[19:24] <moi> ok
01[19:24] <daletterel> can you do that
[19:24] <moi> that's hard though
01[19:24] <daletterel> action hook only costs 4 doesnt it
01[19:24] <daletterel> ?
[19:24] <moi> can I tell you
[19:24] <moi> that he won't
01[19:24] <daletterel> or is it 8
01[19:24] <daletterel> ?
01[19:24] <daletterel> he wont what
[19:24] <moi> it'd be 8
01[19:24] <daletterel> hp up
[19:24] <moi> he's not gonna hp +5
01[19:24] <daletterel> o ok
01[19:24] <daletterel> do we know that for a fact
[19:24] <moi> I promise you 100%
[19:24] <moi> if he does
[19:24] <moi> you can kill me
01[19:24] <daletterel> lol
[19:24] <moi> or something
01[19:25] <daletterel> k
[19:25] <moi> iono
01[19:25] <daletterel> i dont want to tho
01[19:25] <daletterel> :<
[19:25] <moi> yeah I think enough people
[19:25] <moi> aren't caring about this game
[19:25] <moi> that I can easily win
01[19:25] <daletterel> ya
01[19:25] <daletterel> prolly
[19:25] <moi> you car e though
[19:25] <moi> a little
[19:25] <moi> so I have to either
[19:25] <moi> kill you
[19:25] <moi> or join you

01[19:25] <daletterel> join pls
01[19:25] <daletterel> !
[19:25] <moi> I think that'd be good too
01[19:25] <daletterel> we need to find
01[19:25] <daletterel> a 3rd
01[19:25] <daletterel> since
01[19:25] <daletterel> aska subbing out
01[19:26] <daletterel> and didnt respond to my pm
01[19:26] <daletterel> asking him to team with us
[19:26] <moi> yeah
[19:26] <moi> um
[19:26] <moi> I'm gonna be frank with you
[19:26] <moi> I wanted to kill you
[19:26] <moi> until aska subbed out
01[19:26] <daletterel> lol
01[19:26] <daletterel> i was dead serious about not working with anyone else too :/
01[19:26] <daletterel> moi so mean
[19:26] <moi> but
[19:27] <moi> no
[19:27] <moi> it's not that
[19:27] <moi> it's that I already had a third
[19:27] <moi> and I knew you and I would be vying you aska
[19:27] <moi> s
[19:27] <moi> affection
01[19:27] <daletterel> ic
01[19:27] <daletterel> who is
01[19:27] <daletterel> this 3rd
[19:28] <moi> sigh
[19:28] <moi> might as well
[19:28] <moi> it's walrein
01[19:28] <daletterel> ic
[19:29] <moi> sorry to be so manipulative

01[19:29] <daletterel> np
01[19:29] <daletterel> it is understandable
[19:29] <moi> you have no reason to trust me and just as much reason to fuck me over right now
[19:29] <moi> but the offer is there
[19:29] <moi> with aska not playing
01[19:29] <daletterel> ight
01[19:29] <daletterel> i'm down
[19:29] <moi> I will give my unconditional support
01[19:29] <daletterel> but it will be a while before we alter our play
01[19:29] <daletterel> based on this
[19:29] <moi> yes
[19:29] <moi> well
[19:29] <moi> kinda
01[19:29] <daletterel> for now we should just work with the alliance etc
01[19:30] <daletterel> what do you mean kinda
[19:30] <moi> I'm using other people to do my actions already
[19:30] <moi> to gain info on everyone
01[19:30] <daletterel> ic
[19:30] <moi> Pidge thinks that I am his teammate
[19:30] <moi> that's why I know he won't HP +5

01[19:30] <daletterel> ok
[19:30] <moi> because TIK tried to get me and him and pidge to form a secret agreeement night 1
01[19:30] <daletterel> got you
[19:31] <moi> do you have nay
01[19:31] <daletterel> anyway if you and pidge are both a, even if im c this kill on pidge won't work
[19:31] <moi> cool intel
[19:31] <moi> on other things
01[19:31] <daletterel> so you will need another attacker
01[19:31] <daletterel> er
01[19:31] <daletterel> you and walrein
[19:31] <moi> I'm B
01[19:31] <daletterel> k
01[19:32] <daletterel> i'm c so we should be fine then
[19:32] <moi> I'm using
[19:32] <moi> all the different isnpects and such
[19:32] <moi> on people in and not in
[19:32] <moi> our alliance
01[19:32] <daletterel> im assuming you're atk +1ing
01[19:32] <daletterel> as well
[19:32] <moi> yeah
01[19:32] <daletterel> kk
01[19:32] <daletterel> cool
[19:32] <moi> you can't do anything big, can you
[19:32] <moi> because you didn't get
[19:32] <moi> the -5
01[19:32] <daletterel> no
[19:32] <moi> -4
[19:32] <moi> *
01[19:32] <daletterel> yeah im just
01[19:32] <daletterel> atk +1
01[19:32] <daletterel> alliance check flamestrike
[19:33] <moi> what's your email
01[19:33] <daletterel> snip
[19:33] <moi> right
[19:33] <moi> i've made fun of this emial
[19:33] <moi> already
01[19:33] <daletterel> yes my mother made me this email when i was 15
01[19:33] <daletterel> she insisted i have a gmail
01[19:33] <daletterel> so she made it
01[19:33] <daletterel> i never cared to change it
01[19:33] <daletterel> so here i am
01[19:34] <daletterel> snip
[19:35] <moi> that's cute
01[19:40] <daletterel> do we know if lightwolf actually used atk+1 last cycle
01[19:40] <daletterel> he's c if he did
01[19:40] <daletterel> a if he didnt
[19:40] <moi> dunno
01[19:40] <daletterel> k
01[19:40] <daletterel> i'll assume he did
[19:40] <moi> all I did was alliance check
01[19:40] <daletterel> for now
[19:40] <moi> I'd assume he did, yeah
[19:51] <moi> peace out, leave me message if you need me
01[19:51] <daletterel> kk
01[19:51] <daletterel> pce
[22:53] <moi> hows your health
[22:53] <moi> I checked aska and whoever he is
[22:53] <moi> he's at 7
01[22:53] <daletterel> full
01[22:53] <daletterel> yeah i checked aska too and he's at 7
01[22:53] <daletterel> lol
01[22:53] <daletterel> i was gonna alliance check upside
01[22:54] <daletterel> but then realized that i needed to know if aska was protected
01[22:54] <daletterel> so ya
Upon making the secret alliance with Walrein. Walrein dies that night. I still am incredibly suspicious of moi.

moi already outlined the weird things going on with the hooks and kills not working on penguin making me fairly suspicious of everyone involved besides slim, who I think it was fairly obvious was just working with me from the beginning.

Slim, moi and I then set up a separate alliance called snacks on snaqs separate from Cancerous, partially because we didn't really trust Cancerous because he claimed to be action hooked the night that he was supposed to safeguard penguin (which led to our attacks being blocked by a bg) but also because I had been working with moi from cycle 2 and slim from cycle 1 on Team "Bad to the Bone" Balla. We named it this on the off chance that someone inspected us and became suspicious of snaquaza and decided to kill him instead of us, which I thought was about as useful a thing we could do with our team name.

We then funnel fake actions to Cancerous while moi, slim and I come up with the actual things that we will do. We then decide to attack Cancerous and kill him. This made me incredibly paranoid that moi would essentially be for bussing and killing off someone who we had been working with for a while and felt he would do this to me next. Moi already posted the log of "there is a 5% chance you moled me" which sent off huge blaring alarm bells for me that he was fucking with me and was planning on stabbing me if not tonight then soon. There is 0 reason to say that unless you're really thinking about stabbing from my point of view which reinforced the idea that I should do it before he can. I then proceed to action and attack hook moi and try to get some others to attack him as well. Clearly this did not kill him and he is very mad about this lol.

Anyway please PLEASE talk to me about working together. Unlike moi I do not plan to just throw my life away in some vendetta against another player and am willing and able to help anyone who contacts me to win. As I've mentioned before I have tons of information and a good amount of attack power. Considering I'm in a pretty desperate spot after Slim died and I took damage, I'm willing to entertain pretty much any offer at this point.
 

zorbees

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moi and Snaquaza died. They were Attribute B.

It is now Cycle 8. There is a soft deadline of Thursday, September 4th at 9 PM EST. It is a soft deadline because I will likely call the game before that deadline.

Results are out.
 

zorbees

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Calling the game.

The winners are Da Letter El, Cancerous, and penguin344. They have agreed to cooperate and have the ability to successfully do so. Sorry PokeguyNXB and Zewwok.
 

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