PU Floatzel

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Overview
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Floatzel has a very impressive Speed, and its decent Attack allows it to be a good revenge killer; however, it lacks enough strength to break through physical walls such as Tangela and Poliwrath, and offensive sets face competition from Pokemon such as Basculin. Floatzel's niche lies in Baton Passing Bulk Up boosts, as its high Speed and access to Taunt give it an edge over Huntail. Floatzel also has a wide support movepool, including moves such as Switcheroo, and an excellent ability in Water Veil that allows it to set up on Pokemon such as Pelipper with ease. Unfortunately, Floatzel has poor bulk and find it difficult to set up against offensive teams and can be easily worn down when setting up.

Baton Pass
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name: Baton Pass
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Taunt / Substitute
move 4: Waterfall
ability: Water Veil
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
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Bulk Up boosts Floatzel's Attack and Defense, allowing it to set up on physically offensive Pokemon. Baton Pass passes the boosts to Floatzel's teammates. Taunt prevents status and phazing, letting Baton Pass recipients come in safely. Substitute helps Baton Pass recipients take a hit or avoid phazing from Poliwrath, but they can be phazed by other means, and Floatzel has poor bulk, meaning its Substitute is easy to break. Waterfall gives Floatzel some offensive presence, allowing it to become be a revenge killer due to its high Speed.

Set Details
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Maximum Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are required to outspeed Pokemon such as Jumpluff and Speed tie with Sneasel. Maximum HP investment increases Floatzel's mixed bulk, allowing it to set up more easily. Leftovers provides some recovery, which Floatzel otherwise lacks, and Water Veil prevents Pokemon such as Misdreavus from burning Floatzel and allows Floatzel to more comfortably take Scalds.

Usage Tips
========

Floatzel has poor bulk and thus should not be switched in to take a hit; it prefers to come in after a KO against something it beats. Floatzel should take advantage of passive Pokemon, such as Togetic, Pelipper, and Misdreavus, to set up Bulk Ups, and Bulk Up's Defense boosts allow Floatzel to set up on physical attackers such as Flareon, Piloswine, and Pawniard. Its Water typing forces out Pokemon such as Ninetales, Armaldo, and Marowak, providing free turns to set up. With Substitute, Floatzel can set up on Pokemon such as defensive Poliwrath, while Taunt should be used to prevent opposing Pokemon from using Taunt, inflicting status, and setting up. Floatzel can be used more than once in a game, so do not worry about setting up too early. Its high Speed also allows it to revenge kill weakened threats such as Ninetales.

Team Options
========

Floatzel appreciates multiple Baton Pass recipients so that it can pass to an appropriate Pokemon depending on what the opponent has out. Recipients such as Dodrio, Leafeon, and Flareon can take advantage of Grass-types that switch into Floatzel. Other good recipients include those with good Attack and decent Speed or priority so they can sweep, and ones that don't have the bulk or ability to set up by themselves. These include Sneasel, Dodrio, Rapidash, and Basculin. Slower, bulky Pokemon such as Poliwrath, Carracosta, Piloswine, Torterra, and Throh also appreciate the boosts.

Other Options
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Floatzel's decent Attack stat, wide movepool that includes Ice Punch, Low Kick, and Crunch, and access to Switcheroo allow it to successfully utilize Choice Band. A physically based Life Orb set, with Ice Beam for Tangela coverage, prevents Floatzel from being locked into a move. Floatzel's high Speed allows it to perform these roles more successfully than Pokemon such as Simipour and Basculin. Agility is a possibility instead of Bulk Up, but Bulk Up's boosts are generally more useful for recipients. A specially defensive spread gives Floatzel nice mixed bulk after using Bulk Up, but Floatzel's biggest niche is its Speed. Floatzel could be used on a rain team, as it has access to Swift Swim and Rain Dance, but it is already fast enough. A Flame Orb set with Switcheroo can be used to cripple switch-ins such as Poliwrath. Maranga Berry allows Floatzel to more comfortably set up on special attackers and allows its Baton Pass recipient to safely switch in, while Salac Berry allows slower teammates to sweep or faster ones to outspeed Choice Scarf users.

Checks & Counters
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**Grass-types**: Grass-type Pokemon such as Tangela and Simisage can switch in, take a hit, and retaliate with their Grass-type STAB moves. Both Torterra and Quilladin can use Roar to phaze Floatzel's teammate if Floatzel Baton Passes out. Floatzel will refrain from Taunting Leech Seed or status, which can cripple switch-ins, in fear of Grass-type attacks.

**Offensive Pressure**: Strong offensive Pokemon such as Dodrio and Beheeyem deal enough damage to Floatzel to prevent it from setting up in fear of being KOed, and any Baton Pass recipient will be crippled by a strong hit.

**Electric-types**: Electric-type Pokemon such as Raichu and Luxray can take a hit and deal heavy damage to Floatzel with their Electric-type STAB moves. Zebstrika and Choice Scarf Rotom-F can OHKO Floatzel before it can Baton Pass its boosts.

**Special Attackers**: Strong special attackers, such as Regice and Swanna, cripple Floatzel with their STAB or coverage moves. Choice Scarf users such as Haunter and Mr. Mime can outspeed and finish off a weakened Floatzel.

**Phazing**: Both Poliwrath and Lickilicky can survive a boosted hit and phaze Taunt variants of Floatzel with Circle Throw and Dragon Tail, respectively, while Substitute variants can be phazed by Roar and Whirlwind users such as Quilladin and Grumpig.
 
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Idk, the fast Taunt and Pass may be worthwhile for BP to get a set (or at least a heavy OO mention as it is still a usable set, if somewhat outclassed). I do agree that Huntail is better for the most part, but being able to set up on the switch and then pass out against stuff like Raichu and Leafeon might be a decent enough niche. QC, any thoughts?
 

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Idk, the fast Taunt and Pass may be worthwhile for BP to get a set (or at least a heavy OO mention as it is still a usable set, if somewhat outclassed). I do agree that Huntail is better for the most part, but being able to set up on the switch and then pass out against stuff like Raichu and Leafeon might be a decent enough niche. QC, any thoughts?
Talking to galbia and doing research the bp set is probably the only one that should get one (if any):
  • Specs set would be better; hydro is stronger than waterfall, icebeam is stronger than punch, focus hits harder in many occaisions, although miss chance sucks, and it can even run hp electric so it isnt countered by pelipper/wrath. The only thing special might lose to is spdef rose and regice, both trash sets, and licki, but unless 2 focus blast hits
  • Specs set also seems a bit gimmicky, Speed is nice, and it can get past licki with switcheroo (just realised that focus isnt too relevant)
  • Like you set, speed + taunt is amazing, which is nicer for bp sets, huntail only has a bit more bulk (coil acc is p much irrelevant)
Thought people?



e: ill change the set tommorrow probs. Pls any more qc opinion, the specs set could actually work for rk'ing tauros/scyther/etc
 
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Make the spread 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe. It seems insignificant but the 4 Atk slightly improves your chance to OHKO Ninetales after SR and 1 Leftovers such that it OHKOs unless you roll absolute min

Scyther is mentioned in TO, try Ninjask or Dodrio

Name more stuff to set up on in Usage Tips. Pelipper, Avalugg, Missy, certain physical attackers like Piloswine and Flareon

talk up specs and mixed LO in OO a bit more, the extra Speed gives it an edge over Basculin.

Flame Orb + Switcheroo too should be in OO cos it's funny

QC 2/3 Anty
 

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Make the spread 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe. It seems insignificant but the 4 Atk slightly improves your chance to OHKO Ninetales after SR and 1 Leftovers such that it OHKOs unless you roll absolute min

Scyther is mentioned in TO, try Ninjask or Dodrio

Name more stuff to set up on in Usage Tips. Pelipper, Avalugg, Missy, certain physical attackers like Piloswine and Flareon

talk up specs and mixed LO in OO a bit more, the extra Speed gives it an edge over Basculin.

Flame Orb + Switcheroo too should be in OO cos it's funny

QC 2/3 Anty
Thanks, i will hopfully write this up today :3
 

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Put some more emphasis on Taunt in Usage Tips. Taunt can also be used as a last ditch effort, when Floatzel is too low on HP to safely pass, to stop the opponent from setting up on it. Stops opposing Taunt too. Phazing deserves a section in C&C. If Floatzel runs Taunt, Poliwrath and Lickilicky can phaze with Circle Throw and Dragon Tail respectively. With Sub, other phazing moves work well.

Maranga Berry in OO, Salac Berry in OO.

qc approved
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Overview
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Floatzel has a very impressive Speed in the PU metagame, and its decent Attack allows it to be a good revenge killer; however, it lacks enough strength to break through physical walls such as Tangela and Poliwrath, and offensive sets have face competition from Pokemon such as Basculin. Floatzel's niche lies in Baton Passing Bulk Ups boosts, as its high Speed and access to Taunt provide it a niche give it an edge over Huntail. Floatzel also has a wide support movepool, including moves such as Switcheroo, and an excellent ability in Water Veil, allowing it to set up on Pokemon such as Pelipper with ease. Unfortunately, Floatzel has poor bulk, so it bad bulk so has difficulty in setting up against offensive teams, (remove comma) and can be easily worn down when setting up.

Baton Pass
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name: Baton Pass
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Taunt / Substitute
move 4: Waterfall
ability: Water Veil
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
========

Bulk Up boosts Floatzel's Attack and Defense, allowing it to set up on physically offensive Pokemon. Baton Pass passes the boosts to Floatzel's teammates pokes on floatzels team. Taunt prevents status and or phazing, letting the Baton Pass recipient have an easier time coming in. Substitute can be used to help Baton Pass recipients take a hit or its team mate coming in and avoid phazing from Poliwrath, but they can be phazed by other means, and Floatzel has poor bulk, so many walls can still break it (do you mean Floatzel, or its Substitute?). Waterfall gives Floatzel is so it can have some offensive presence, allowing Floatzel it to become be a revenge killer due to its high Speed.

Set Details
========

Maximum Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are required to outspeed Pokemon such as Tauros, (remove comma) and Speed tie with Sneasel. Maximum HP investment increases its Floatzel's mixed bulk, allowing it to set up more easily. Leftovers provides some recovery, (comma) which Floatzel otherwise lacks, and Water Veil prevents Pokemon such as Misdreavus from burning it Floatzel and as well as allowing Floatzel to more comfortably take Scalds.

Usage Tips
========

Floatzel has poor bulk and thus so should not be switched in to take a hit,; (semicolon) it prefers to come in after a KO on something it beats (this is a little confusing, if you can reword it please do). Floatzel should take advantage of passive Pokemon, such as Togetic, Pelipper, and Misdreavus, (comma) to set up Bulk Ups, while and Bulk Up's Defense boosts allow Floatzel to set up on physical attackers such as Flareon, Piloswine, and Pawniard. Its Water typing forces out Pokemon such as Ninetales, Armaldo, and Marowak, providing free turns to set up. With Substitute, Floatzel can set up on Pokemon such as defensive Poliwrath, while Taunt should be used to prevent opposing Pokemon from using Taunt, inflicting status, and opposing Pokemon from setting up. Floatzel can be used more than once in a game, so should do not worry about setting up too early. Its high Speed also allows it to revenge kill weakened threats such as Ninetales.

Team Options
========

Floatzel appreciates multiple Baton Pass recipients so that it can pass to an appropriate Pokemon depending on what the opposition opponent has out. Recipients such as Dodrio, Leafeon, (comma) and Flareon can take advantage of Grass-types that switch into Floatzel it. Good recipients are Pokemon with good Attack and decent Speed, or priority, and Attack so they can sweep, and ones that don't who dont have the bulk or ability to set up by themselves itself. These include Sneasel, Tauros, Dodrio, Rapidash, Basculin, and Kecleon. Slower, bulky Pokemon such as Poliwrath, Carracosta, Piloswine, Torterra, and Throh also appreciate the boosts.

Other Options
########

Floatzel's decent attack offensive stats, wide movepool including Ice Punch, Low Kick, and Focus Blast, and access to Switcheroo allow it to successfully utilize Choice Band and Choice Specs, which is supported by Floatzel's wide movepool such as Ice Punch, Low Kick, and Focus Blast. A physically based Life Orb set with Ice Beam, to smack Tangela, could be used to prevent it Floatzel from being locked into a move. Floatzel's high Speed allows it to perform these roles more successfully than Pokemon such as Simipour and Basculin. Agility is a possibility instead of Bulk Up, but boosts from Bulk Up's boosts are generally more useful for have more recipients. (period) and a A specially defensive spread could be used to give Floatzel so it has nice mixed bulk after using Bulk Up, but Floatzel's bulk ups, but its biggest niche is its speed. Floatzel could be used on a rain team, (comma) as it has access to Swift Swim and Rain Dance, but it is already fast. (period) and a A Flame Orb set with Switcheroo can be used to cripple switch-ins such as Poliwrath. Maranga Berry allows it Floatzel to more comfortably set up on special attackers, (remove comma) and allows its Baton Pass recipient team mate to more safely switch in, while Salac Berry can be used to allow slower teammates to sweep, (remove comma) or faster ones to outspeed Choice Scarf users.

Checks & Counters
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(space)
**Grass-types**: Grass-type Pokemon, (remove comma) such as Tangela and Simisage can switch in, take a hit, and retaliate with their Grass-type STAB moves. Both Torterra and Quilladin can use Roar to phaze Floatzel's teammate if Floatzel Baton Passes out. Floatzel will refrain from Taunting on Leech Seed or status, in fear of Grass-type attacks, which can cripple switch-ins.

**Offensive Pressure**: Strong offensive Pokemon such as Tauros and Beheeyem deal enough damage to Floatzel so that it cannot set up in fear of being KOed dying, and any Baton Pass recipient will be crippled by a strong hit.

**Electric-types**: Electric-type Pokemon such as Raichu and Luxray can take a hit and deal heavy damage to Floatzel with their Electric-type STAB moves. Zebstrika and Choice Scarf Rotom-F can OHKO Floatzel before it can Baton Pass its boosts.

**Special Attackers**: Strong special attackers, such as Regice and Swanna, cripple Floatzel with their STAB moves (just checking, but Regice cripples Floatzel with an Ice move?). Choice Scarf Pokemon, (remove comma) such as Haunter and Mr. Mime can outspeed and finish off a weakened Floatzel.

**Phazing**: Both Poliwrath and Lickilicky can live survive a boosted hit and phaze Taunt variants of Floatzel out (phaze implies out) with Circle Throw and Dragon Tail, (comma) respectively, while Substitute variants can be phazed out by Roar and Whirlwind users such as Quilladin and Grumpig.
 

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Overview
########

Floatzel has a very impressive Speed in the PU metagame, and its decent Attack allows it to be a good revenge killer; however, it lacks enough strength to break through physical walls such as Tangela and Poliwrath, and offensive sets have face competition from Pokemon such as Basculin. Floatzel's niche lies in Baton Passing Bulk Ups boosts, as its high Speed and access to Taunt provide it a niche give it an edge over Huntail. Floatzel also has a wide support movepool, including moves such as Switcheroo, and an excellent ability in Water Veil, allowing it to set up on Pokemon such as Pelipper with ease. Unfortunately, Floatzel has poor bulk, so it bad bulk so has difficulty in setting up against offensive teams, (remove comma) and can be easily worn down when setting up.

Baton Pass
########
name: Baton Pass
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Taunt / Substitute
move 4: Waterfall
ability: Water Veil
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
========

Bulk Up boosts Floatzel's Attack and Defense, allowing it to set up on physically offensive Pokemon. Baton Pass passes the boosts to Floatzel's teammates pokes on floatzels team. Taunt prevents status and or phazing, letting the Baton Pass recipient have an easier time coming in. Substitute can be used to help Baton Pass recipients take a hit or its team mate coming in and avoid phazing from Poliwrath, but they can be phazed by other means, and Floatzel has poor bulk, so many walls can still break it (do you mean Floatzel, or its Substitute?). Waterfall gives Floatzel is so it can have some offensive presence, allowing Floatzel it to become be a revenge killer due to its high Speed.

Set Details
========

Maximum Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are required to outspeed Pokemon such as Tauros, (remove comma) and Speed tie with Sneasel. Maximum HP investment increases its Floatzel's mixed bulk, allowing it to set up more easily. Leftovers provides some recovery, (comma) which Floatzel otherwise lacks, and Water Veil prevents Pokemon such as Misdreavus from burning it Floatzel and as well as allowing Floatzel to more comfortably take Scalds.

Usage Tips
========

Floatzel has poor bulk and thus so should not be switched in to take a hit,; (semicolon) it prefers to come in after a KO on something it beats (this is a little confusing, if you can reword it please do). Floatzel should take advantage of passive Pokemon, such as Togetic, Pelipper, and Misdreavus, (comma) to set up Bulk Ups, while and Bulk Up's Defense boosts allow Floatzel to set up on physical attackers such as Flareon, Piloswine, and Pawniard. Its Water typing forces out Pokemon such as Ninetales, Armaldo, and Marowak, providing free turns to set up. With Substitute, Floatzel can set up on Pokemon such as defensive Poliwrath, while Taunt should be used to prevent opposing Pokemon from using Taunt, inflicting status, and opposing Pokemon from setting up. Floatzel can be used more than once in a game, so should do not worry about setting up too early. Its high Speed also allows it to revenge kill weakened threats such as Ninetales.

Team Options
========

Floatzel appreciates multiple Baton Pass recipients so that it can pass to an appropriate Pokemon depending on what the opposition opponent has out. Recipients such as Dodrio, Leafeon, (comma) and Flareon can take advantage of Grass-types that switch into Floatzel it. Good recipients are Pokemon with good Attack and decent Speed, or priority, and Attack so they can sweep, and ones that don't who dont have the bulk or ability to set up by themselves itself. These include Sneasel, Tauros, Dodrio, Rapidash, Basculin, and Kecleon. Slower, bulky Pokemon such as Poliwrath, Carracosta, Piloswine, Torterra, and Throh also appreciate the boosts.

Other Options
########

Floatzel's decent attack offensive stats, wide movepool including Ice Punch, Low Kick, and Focus Blast, and access to Switcheroo allow it to successfully utilize Choice Band and Choice Specs, which is supported by Floatzel's wide movepool such as Ice Punch, Low Kick, and Focus Blast. A physically based Life Orb set with Ice Beam, to smack Tangela, could be used to prevent it Floatzel from being locked into a move. Floatzel's high Speed allows it to perform these roles more successfully than Pokemon such as Simipour and Basculin. Agility is a possibility instead of Bulk Up, but boosts from Bulk Up's boosts are generally more useful for have more recipients. (period) and a A specially defensive spread could be used to give Floatzel so it has nice mixed bulk after using Bulk Up, but Floatzel's bulk ups, but its biggest niche is its speed. Floatzel could be used on a rain team, (comma) as it has access to Swift Swim and Rain Dance, but it is already fast. (period) and a A Flame Orb set with Switcheroo can be used to cripple switch-ins such as Poliwrath. Maranga Berry allows it Floatzel to more comfortably set up on special attackers, (remove comma) and allows its Baton Pass recipient team mate to more safely switch in, while Salac Berry can be used to allow slower teammates to sweep, (remove comma) or faster ones to outspeed Choice Scarf users.

Checks & Counters
########
(space)
**Grass-types**: Grass-type Pokemon, (remove comma) such as Tangela and Simisage can switch in, take a hit, and retaliate with their Grass-type STAB moves. Both Torterra and Quilladin can use Roar to phaze Floatzel's teammate if Floatzel Baton Passes out. Floatzel will refrain from Taunting on Leech Seed or status, in fear of Grass-type attacks, which can cripple switch-ins.

**Offensive Pressure**: Strong offensive Pokemon such as Tauros and Beheeyem deal enough damage to Floatzel so that it cannot set up in fear of being KOed dying, and any Baton Pass recipient will be crippled by a strong hit.

**Electric-types**: Electric-type Pokemon such as Raichu and Luxray can take a hit and deal heavy damage to Floatzel with their Electric-type STAB moves. Zebstrika and Choice Scarf Rotom-F can OHKO Floatzel before it can Baton Pass its boosts.

**Special Attackers**: Strong special attackers, such as Regice and Swanna, cripple Floatzel with their STAB moves (just checking, but Regice cripples Floatzel with an Ice move?). Choice Scarf Pokemon, (remove comma) such as Haunter and Mr. Mime can outspeed and finish off a weakened Floatzel.

**Phazing**: Both Poliwrath and Lickilicky can live survive a boosted hit and phaze Taunt variants of Floatzel out (phaze implies out) with Circle Throw and Dragon Tail, (comma) respectively, while Substitute variants can be phazed out by Roar and Whirlwind users such as Quilladin and Grumpig.
Thanks, i slightly reworded the set details bit so it sounds better, also regice uses its coverage move (tbolt), sorry for the confusion
 

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Overview
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Floatzel has a very impressive Speed, and its decent Attack allows it to be a good revenge killer; however, it lacks enough strength to break through physical walls such as Tangela and Poliwrath, and offensive sets face competition from Pokemon such as Basculin. Floatzel's niche lies in Baton Passing Bulk Up boosts, as its high Speed and access to Taunt give it an edge over Huntail. Floatzel also has a wide support movepool, including moves such as Switcheroo, and an excellent ability in Water Veil, allowing it to set up on Pokemon such as Pelipper with ease. Unfortunately, Floatzel has poor bulk, so it has difficulty setting up against offensive teams and can be easily worn down when setting up.

Baton Pass
########
name: Baton Pass
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Taunt / Substitute
move 4: Waterfall
ability: Water Veil
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
========

Bulk Up boosts Floatzel's Attack and Defense, allowing it to set up on physically offensive Pokemon.,(period to comma) while Baton Pass passes the boosts to Floatzel's teammates. Taunt prevents status and phazing, letting the Baton Pass recipient have an easier time coming in. Substitute can be used to help Baton Pass recipients take a hit or avoid phazing from to block Poliwrath's Circle Throw, but it won't stop other phazing they can't be phazed by oher means, and Floatzel has poor bulk, so many walls can still break it. Waterfall gives Floatzel some offensive presence, allowing it to become be a revenge killer due to its high Speed.

Set Details
========

Maximum Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are required to outspeed Pokemon such as Tauros and Speed tie with Sneasel.,(period to comma) Maximum while maximum HP investment increases Floatzel's mixed bulk, allowing it to set up more easily. Leftovers provides some recovery, which Floatzel otherwise lacks, and Water Veil prevents Pokemon such as Misdreavus from burning Floatzel as well as allowing and allows Floatzel to more comfortably take Scalds.

Usage Tips
========

Floatzel has poor bulk and thus should not be switched in to take a hit; it prefers to come in after a KO against something it beats. Floatzel should take advantage of passive Pokemon, such as Togetic, Pelipper, and Misdreavus, to set up Bulk Ups,(rc) and; Bulk Up's Defense boosts allow Floatzel to set up on physical attackers such as Flareon, Piloswine, and Pawniard. Its Floatzel's Water typing forces out Pokemon such as Ninetales, Armaldo, and Marowak, providing free turns to set up. With Substitute, Floatzel can set up on Pokemon such as defensive Poliwrath, while Taunt should be used to prevent opposing Pokemon from using Taunt, inflicting status, and setting up. Floatzel can be used more than once in a game, so do not worry about setting up too early. Its high Speed also allows it to revenge kill weakened threats such as Ninetales.

Team Options
========

Floatzel appreciates multiple Baton Pass recipients so that it can pass to an appropriate Pokemon depending on what the opponent has out. Recipients such as Dodrio, Leafeon, and Flareon can take advantage of Grass-types that switch into Floatzel. Good recipients are Pokemon with good Attack and decent Speed or priority so they can sweep, and ones that don't have the bulk or ability to set up by themselves.;(period to comma, decapitalize) Tthese include Sneasel, Tauros, Dodrio, Rapidash, Basculin, and Kecleon. Slower, bulky Pokemon such as Poliwrath, Carracosta, Piloswine, Torterra, and Throh also appreciate the boosts.


Other Options
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Floatzel's decent offensive stats, wide movepool with moves such as including Ice Punch, Low Kick, and Focus Blast, and access to Switcheroo allow it to successfully utilize Choice Band and Choice Specs. A physically based Life Orb set with Ice Beam to smack Tangela could be used to prevent Floatzel from being locked into a move.;(period to semicolon) Floatzel's high Speed allows it to perform these roles more successfully than Pokemon such as Simipour and Basculin. Agility is a possibility instead of Bulk Up, but Bulk Up's boosts are generally more useful for recipients. A specially defensive spread could be used to give Floatzel nice mixed bulk after using Bulk Up, but Floatzel's biggest niche is its speed. Floatzel could be used on a rain team, as it has access to Swift Swim and Rain Dance, but it is already fast. A Flame Orb set with Switcheroo can be used to cripple switch-ins such as Poliwrath. Maranga Berry allows Floatzel to more comfortably set up on special attackers and allows its Baton Pass recipient to more safely switch in, while Salac Berry can be used to allow slower teammates to sweep or faster ones to outspeed Choice Scarf users.

Checks & Counters
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**Grass-types**: Grass-type Pokemon such as Tangela and Simisage can switch in, take a hit, and retaliate with their Grass-type STAB moves. Both Torterra and Quilladin can use Roar to phaze Floatzel's teammate if Floatzel Baton Passes out. Floatzel will may refrain from Taunting Leech Seed or status,(ac) which can cripple recipients,(ac) in fear of Grass-type attacks,(rc) which can cripple switch-ins.

**Offensive Pressure**: Strong offensive Pokemon such as Tauros and Beheeyem deal enough damage to Floatzel so that it cannot set up in fear of being KOed, and any Baton Pass recipient will be crippled by a strong hit.

**Electric-types**: Electric-type Pokemon such as Raichu and Luxray can take a hit and deal heavy damage to Floatzel with their Electric-type STAB moves. Zebstrika and Choice Scarf Rotom-F can OHKO Floatzel before it can Baton Pass its boosts.

**Special Attackers**: Strong special attackers, such as Regice and Swanna, KO or cripple Floatzel with their STAB or coverage moves. Choice Scarf Pokemon such as Haunter and Mr. Mime can outspeed and finish off a weakened Floatzel.

**Phazing**: Both Poliwrath and Lickilicky can survive a boosted hit and phaze Taunt variants of Floatzel with Circle Throw and Dragon Tail, respectively, while Substitute variants can be phazed by Roar and Whirlwind users such as Quilladin and Grumpig.


Comments:

You know, Switcheroo is kickass and all and i'm sure it makes choice sets viable, but those are kind of OO. Should it really be in the overview?

Changed "poliwrath's phazing" to "circle throw"; you say Taunt blocks phazing so it's important to differentiate between them.

K so a bit of a doozy on that same sentence. I get the feeling that you mean Sub blocks Circle throw for Floatzel more than for the BP mons, because it's going to try to circle throw floatzel. But the sentence implies it's for the BP mons to not get circle'd. Guess what i'm saying is, if i'm right (and i'd be willing to argue that I am) then my other changes in that sentence are necessary. If they're really not, carry on without them.

i'm not sure that floatzel won't taunt at all in fear of grass-type attacks; you seem to take that as a given when it's more of a risk-laden 50/50. so i replaced 'will refrain' with 'may refrain'. Also, you mean that Leech Seed or status can fuck with your BP recipients, right? Cause it's taken as a given that if you switch out of a Pokemon the switch-in might get hit hard or statused, no real need to mention that.

So you mention Tauros as a strong offensive mon, and it is, but are you sure you can't set up on him a bit if he switches in on a BU? If you can, then all he does is stop you from directly setting up in his face, which is something i guess but not really worth mentioning. Apparently you take about half at +2 from a Rock Climb, which means you can BP out and still be at half or pass 3 boosts, and i get those aren't really great options, but they're pretty OK enough that I wouldn't want to send in Tauros.
 
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I told anty this on Skype, but I should also post it here for clarity's sake: I've been using Choice Specs a decent amount and found it to be really solid; it's definitely worthy of a main set.
 
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I told anty this on Skype, but I should also post it here for clarity's sake: I've been using Choice Specs a decent amount and found it to be really solid; it's definitely worthy of a main set.
That can be written up separately seeing as this is already in the GP stage. Specs does seem pretty decent with Switcheroo allowing it to cripple defensive switch ins.
 

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Overview
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Floatzel has a very impressive Speed, and its decent Attack allows it to be a good revenge killer; however, it lacks enough strength to break through physical walls such as Tangela and Poliwrath, and offensive sets face competition from Pokemon such as Basculin. Floatzel's niche lies in Baton Passing Bulk Up boosts, as its high Speed and access to Taunt give it an edge over Huntail. Floatzel also has a wide support movepool, including moves such as Switcheroo, and an excellent ability in Water Veil, allowing that allows it to set up on Pokemon such as Pelipper with ease. Unfortunately, Floatzel has poor bulk, so has difficulty setting and finds it difficult to set up against offensive teams and can be easily worn down when setting up.

Baton Pass
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name: Baton Pass
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Taunt / Substitute
move 4: Waterfall
ability: Water Veil
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
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Bulk Up boosts Floatzel's Attack and Defense, allowing it to set up on physically offensive Pokemon. Baton Pass passes the boosts to Floatzel's teammates. Taunt prevents status and phazing, letting the Baton Pass recipients have an easier time coming in come in safely. (You used plural "teammates" before so might as well do it here, too) Substitute can be used to helps Baton Pass recipients take a hit or avoid phazing from Poliwrath, but they can be phazed by other means, and Floatzel has poor bulk, so many walls can still break it meaning its Substitute is easy to break. Waterfall gives Floatzel some offensive presence, allowing it to become be a revenge killer due to its high Speed.

Set Details
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Maximum Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are required to outspeed Pokemon such as Tauros and Speed tie with Sneasel. Maximum HP investment increases Floatzel's mixed bulk, allowing it to set up more easily. Leftovers provides some recovery, which Floatzel otherwise lacks, and Water Veil prevents Pokemon such as Misdreavus from burning Floatzel as well as allowing and allows Floatzel to more comfortably take Scalds.

Usage Tips
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Floatzel has poor bulk and thus should not be switched in to take a hit; it prefers to come in after a KO against something it beats. Floatzel should take advantage of passive Pokemon, such as Togetic, Pelipper, and Misdreavus, to set up Bulk Ups, and Bulk Up's Defense boosts allow Floatzel to set up on physical attackers such as Flareon, Piloswine, and Pawniard. Its Water typing forces out Pokemon such as Ninetales, Armaldo, and Marowak, providing free turns to set up. With Substitute, Floatzel can set up on Pokemon such as defensive Poliwrath, while Taunt should be used to prevent opposing Pokemon from using Taunt, inflicting status, and setting up. Floatzel can be used more than once in a game, so do not worry about setting up too early. Its high Speed also allows it to revenge kill weakened threats such as Ninetales.

Team Options
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Floatzel appreciates multiple Baton Pass recipients so that it can pass to an appropriate Pokemon depending on what the opponent has out. Recipients such as Dodrio, Leafeon, and Flareon can take advantage of Grass-types that switch into Floatzel. Other good recipients are Pokemon include those with good Attack and decent Speed or priority so they can sweep, and ones that don't have the bulk or ability to set up by themselves. These include Sneasel, Tauros, Dodrio, Rapidash, Basculin, and Kecleon. Slower, bulky Pokemon such as Poliwrath, Carracosta, Piloswine, Torterra, and Throh also appreciate the boosts.

Other Options
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Floatzel's decent offensive stats, wide movepool including that includes Ice Punch, Low Kick, and Focus Blast, and access to Switcheroo allow it to successfully utilize Choice Band and Choice Specs. A physically based Life Orb set,(AC) with Ice Beam to smack for Tangela coverage, could be used to prevents Floatzel from being locked into a move. Floatzel's high Speed allows it to perform these roles more successfully than Pokemon such as Simipour and Basculin. Agility is a possibility instead of Bulk Up, but Bulk Up's boosts are generally more useful for recipients. A specially defensive spread could be used to gives Floatzel nice mixed bulk after using Bulk Up, but Floatzel's biggest niche is its Speed. Floatzel could be used on a rain team, as it has access to Swift Swim and Rain Dance, but it is already fast enough. A Flame Orb set with Switcheroo can be used to cripple switch-ins such as Poliwrath. Maranga Berry allows Floatzel to more comfortably set up on special attackers and allows its Baton Pass recipient to more safely switch in, while Salac Berry can be used to allows slower teammates to sweep or faster ones to outspeed Choice Scarf users.

Checks & Counters
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**Grass-types**: Grass-type Pokemon such as Tangela and Simisage can switch in, take a hit, and retaliate with their Grass-type STAB moves. Both Torterra and Quilladin can use Roar to phaze Floatzel's teammate if Floatzel Baton Passes out. Floatzel will refrain from Taunting Leech Seed or status, which can cripple switch-ins, in fear of Grass-type attacks, which can cripple switch-ins.

**Offensive Pressure**: Strong offensive Pokemon such as Tauros and Beheeyem deal enough damage to Floatzel so that it cannot to prevent it from setting up in fear of being KOed, and any Baton Pass recipient will be crippled by a strong hit.

**Electric-types**: Electric-type Pokemon such as Raichu and Luxray can take a hit and deal heavy damage to Floatzel with their Electric-type STAB moves. Zebstrika and Choice Scarf Rotom-F can OHKO Floatzel before it can Baton Pass its boosts.

**Special Attackers**: Strong special attackers, such as Regice and Swanna, cripple Floatzel with their STAB or coverage moves. Choice Scarf Pokemon users such as Haunter and Mr. Mime can outspeed and finish off a weakened Floatzel.

**Phazing**: Both Poliwrath and Lickilicky can survive a boosted hit and phaze Taunt variants of Floatzel with Circle Throw and Dragon Tail, respectively, while Substitute variants can be phazed by Roar and Whirlwind users such as Quilladin and Grumpig.
GP 2/2
 

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Overview
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Floatzel has a very impressive Speed, and its decent Attack allows it to be a good revenge killer; however, it lacks enough strength to break through physical walls such as Tangela and Poliwrath, and offensive sets face competition from Pokemon such as Basculin. Floatzel's niche lies in Baton Passing Bulk Up boosts, as its high Speed and access to Taunt give it an edge over Huntail. Floatzel also has a wide support movepool, including moves such as Switcheroo, and an excellent ability in Water Veil, allowing that allows it to set up on Pokemon such as Pelipper with ease. Unfortunately, Floatzel has poor bulk, so has difficulty setting and finds it difficult to set up against offensive teams and can be easily worn down when setting up.

Baton Pass
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name: Baton Pass
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Taunt / Substitute
move 4: Waterfall
ability: Water Veil
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
========

Bulk Up boosts Floatzel's Attack and Defense, allowing it to set up on physically offensive Pokemon. Baton Pass passes the boosts to Floatzel's teammates. Taunt prevents status and phazing, letting the Baton Pass recipients have an easier time coming in come in safely. (You used plural "teammates" before so might as well do it here, too) Substitute can be used to helps Baton Pass recipients take a hit or avoid phazing from Poliwrath, but they can be phazed by other means, and Floatzel has poor bulk, so many walls can still break it meaning its Substitute is easy to break. Waterfall gives Floatzel some offensive presence, allowing it to become be a revenge killer due to its high Speed.

Set Details
========

Maximum Speed EVs and a Jolly nature are required to outspeed Pokemon such as Tauros and Speed tie with Sneasel. Maximum HP investment increases Floatzel's mixed bulk, allowing it to set up more easily. Leftovers provides some recovery, which Floatzel otherwise lacks, and Water Veil prevents Pokemon such as Misdreavus from burning Floatzel as well as allowing and allows Floatzel to more comfortably take Scalds.

Usage Tips
========

Floatzel has poor bulk and thus should not be switched in to take a hit; it prefers to come in after a KO against something it beats. Floatzel should take advantage of passive Pokemon, such as Togetic, Pelipper, and Misdreavus, to set up Bulk Ups, and Bulk Up's Defense boosts allow Floatzel to set up on physical attackers such as Flareon, Piloswine, and Pawniard. Its Water typing forces out Pokemon such as Ninetales, Armaldo, and Marowak, providing free turns to set up. With Substitute, Floatzel can set up on Pokemon such as defensive Poliwrath, while Taunt should be used to prevent opposing Pokemon from using Taunt, inflicting status, and setting up. Floatzel can be used more than once in a game, so do not worry about setting up too early. Its high Speed also allows it to revenge kill weakened threats such as Ninetales.

Team Options
========

Floatzel appreciates multiple Baton Pass recipients so that it can pass to an appropriate Pokemon depending on what the opponent has out. Recipients such as Dodrio, Leafeon, and Flareon can take advantage of Grass-types that switch into Floatzel. Other good recipients are Pokemon include those with good Attack and decent Speed or priority so they can sweep, and ones that don't have the bulk or ability to set up by themselves. These include Sneasel, Tauros, Dodrio, Rapidash, Basculin, and Kecleon. Slower, bulky Pokemon such as Poliwrath, Carracosta, Piloswine, Torterra, and Throh also appreciate the boosts.

Other Options
########

Floatzel's decent offensive stats, wide movepool including that includes Ice Punch, Low Kick, and Focus Blast, and access to Switcheroo allow it to successfully utilize Choice Band and Choice Specs. A physically based Life Orb set,(AC) with Ice Beam to smack for Tangela coverage, could be used to prevents Floatzel from being locked into a move. Floatzel's high Speed allows it to perform these roles more successfully than Pokemon such as Simipour and Basculin. Agility is a possibility instead of Bulk Up, but Bulk Up's boosts are generally more useful for recipients. A specially defensive spread could be used to gives Floatzel nice mixed bulk after using Bulk Up, but Floatzel's biggest niche is its Speed. Floatzel could be used on a rain team, as it has access to Swift Swim and Rain Dance, but it is already fast enough. A Flame Orb set with Switcheroo can be used to cripple switch-ins such as Poliwrath. Maranga Berry allows Floatzel to more comfortably set up on special attackers and allows its Baton Pass recipient to more safely switch in, while Salac Berry can be used to allows slower teammates to sweep or faster ones to outspeed Choice Scarf users.

Checks & Counters
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**Grass-types**: Grass-type Pokemon such as Tangela and Simisage can switch in, take a hit, and retaliate with their Grass-type STAB moves. Both Torterra and Quilladin can use Roar to phaze Floatzel's teammate if Floatzel Baton Passes out. Floatzel will refrain from Taunting Leech Seed or status, which can cripple switch-ins, in fear of Grass-type attacks, which can cripple switch-ins.

**Offensive Pressure**: Strong offensive Pokemon such as Tauros and Beheeyem deal enough damage to Floatzel so that it cannot to prevent it from setting up in fear of being KOed, and any Baton Pass recipient will be crippled by a strong hit.

**Electric-types**: Electric-type Pokemon such as Raichu and Luxray can take a hit and deal heavy damage to Floatzel with their Electric-type STAB moves. Zebstrika and Choice Scarf Rotom-F can OHKO Floatzel before it can Baton Pass its boosts.

**Special Attackers**: Strong special attackers, such as Regice and Swanna, cripple Floatzel with their STAB or coverage moves. Choice Scarf Pokemon users such as Haunter and Mr. Mime can outspeed and finish off a weakened Floatzel.

**Phazing**: Both Poliwrath and Lickilicky can survive a boosted hit and phaze Taunt variants of Floatzel with Circle Throw and Dragon Tail, respectively, while Substitute variants can be phazed by Roar and Whirlwind users such as Quilladin and Grumpig.
GP 2/2
Thanks :)

This is done; i will get to the specs set as soon as wdm doesnt disapprove!

e: no specs mentions
 
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