Is it honestly worth re-testing Krow/Missy though? We already had enough time to realize that those two mons were broken (5th gen, the XY LC meta). I can't think of anything really worth re-testing right now. If as you said the metagame is balanced, why would we want to retest mons that are proven to be overpowering?
Metagame shifts effect viability and such but it's pretty absurd to say that shifting of the metagame makes a former broken Pokemon OK to use. Remember, it was banned from a metagame that was adapted SPECIFICALLY to counter it. It's illogical to thing it somehow has gotten better.because the metagame shifts over time? Remember that people wanted to suspect Diglett at one point because fletchdig existed. I actually see room for yanma in this meta now.
I agree with OP a lot here. Fortunately, BP hasn't run rampant due to being quite the gimmick. However when it is encountered, it certainly is not fun to play against particularly when a team comes unprepared. I think its at least worth considering during this test whether or not BP is a fun-killer, as OP said. It's important to remember that a well built BP team in the hands of a skilled player, can even be challenging even when a team is prepared. I've seen infamy's team beat teams carrying hippo. I think it's safe to say baton pass is neither broken or even all that difficult to beat if you play smart and are prepared for it, however i think it could become quite the turn off to the LC ladder and LC in general if it became more commonly used.I don't think that BP is by any means broken. It's not terribly difficult to account for it in teambuilding and to make sure you can deal with most variants decently well. One way I have personally have dealt with it was by just using Toxic Spikes and pressuring the very rare Spinarak/Venonat on these teams. I agree with Sammy-kun-sama in that if BP were to be suspected, the only reason should be because of its negative impact of the player's experience. Battling against Baton Pass is a frustrating and long process that just comes down to if your team was prepared for it or if you can get a little lucky. Nobody likes battling against it. I've seen players that are new to LC face a BP team in a room tournament or on the ladder and question why LC doesn't have a BP clause and they very obviously get turned off to LC as a whole.
Infamy whether or not BP makes the meta less fun is actually relevant. The main criteria for a suspect test/ban is whether the thing is broken, whether it is making Little Cup not fun, or whether a combination of the two is deterring individuals from playing Little Cup.
In keeping with this, if we find that the ladder gets too terrible, I'd suggest just a partial BP ban, probs at three. We wouldn't need to go too far on this imoI agree with OP a lot here. Fortunately, BP hasn't run rampant due to being quite the gimmick. However when it is encountered, it certainly is not fun to play against particularly when a team comes unprepared. I think its at least worth considering during this test whether or not BP is a fun-killer, as OP said. It's important to remember that a well built BP team in the hands of a skilled player, can even be challenging even when a team is prepared. I've seen infamy's team beat teams carrying hippo. I think it's safe to say baton pass is neither broken or even all that difficult to beat if you play smart and are prepared for it, however i think it could become quite the turn off to the LC ladder and LC in general if it became more commonly used.
All the things you mentioned aren't so good in LC, I mean Baton Pass autoloses to Pawn and Fletch tbh, just check the SPLC usage if you want to have some confirms about how much BP chains are used. And it can be annoying, but it's a playstyle like bulky offense or stall. "I don't want that player to play stall because he's so annoying when he uses it" - that's the same thing; just bring a counter for the Pokemon you feel that are "annoying"In keeping with this, if we find that the ladder gets too terrible, I'd suggest just a partial BP ban, probs at three. We wouldn't need to go too far on this imo
EDIT: also, tspikes and leech seed are the absolute bane of bp teams. leech seed is literally impossible to get rid of on bp
I agree with you, I don't think it's a good idea. I remember I don't stand up for its banning at that time. But I remember I was really wrong and what Missy could do with its NastySub's set, too.#missyunban anyone?
Anyway, nothing suspect worthy rn