OU Celebi

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Overview
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Well-rounded stats and rather unique typing allow Celebi to check prominent threats such as Keldeo, Azumarill, Mega Diancie, Mega Lopunny, Rotom-W, and Mega Slowbro. Celebi has a solid movepool with various means of team support, including moves such as Nasty Plot, Swords Dance, Baton Pass, Stealth Rock, and Healing Wish. Celebi's ability, Natural Cure, is yet another means of team support, as it lets Celebi absorb status conditions for teammates. Unfortunately, Celebi is weak to common attacking types such as Bug, Fire, Flying, Ice, and Dark from Pokemon such as Scizor, Heatran, Tornadus-T, Kyurem-B, and Bisharp.

Baton Pass
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name: Baton Pass
move 1: Recover
move 2: Baton Pass
move 3: Giga Drain / Seed Bomb
move 4: Nasty Plot / Substitute / Swords Dance
ability: Natural Cure
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 108 Spe
nature: Bold / Impish

Moves
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Recover provides a reliable method of replenishing Celebi's HP, which goes well in tandem with Celebi's solid defensive typing. Baton Pass lets Celebi maintain momentum, avoid Pursuit, and pass stat boosts and Substitute to a teammate. Giga Drain is a reliable STAB move that hits decently hard on neutral targets and is important to hit the Ground- and Water-type Pokemon that Celebi checks, such as Hippowdon and Rotom-W. Alternatively, Seed Bomb has slightly higher Base Power at the cost of the recovery provided by Giga Drain, and it should be used with Swords Dance. Nasty Plot boosts Celebi's Special Attack to high levels, allowing it to weaken a foe or pass the boosts to a teammate with Baton Pass. Furthermore, Nasty Plot allows Celebi to break through bulky setup sweepers, most notably Calm Mind Mega Slowbro. Substitute is another solid choice in the last slot to get a frail Pokemon such as Mega Beedrill or Mega Houndoom in safely, and it is also helpful to stall out weak defensive Pokemon's moves, such as Ferrothorn's Gyro Ball. Swords Dance boosts Celebi's Attack to great levels and also tends to be a bit more unexpected compared to Nasty Plot. Calm Mind is another option to provide a slower and bulkier approach to sweeping, and it gives Celebi more breathing room when passing boosts to a teammate.

Set Details
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The given EV spread with a Bold nature maximize Celebi's physical bulk to let it take hits from the likes of Azumarill and Mega Lopunny while outspeeding Jolly Bisharp in order to Baton Pass before it uses Pursuit. A specially defensive EV spread of 252 HP / 148 SpD / 108 Spe can be used to take hits better from the likes of Kingdra, Raikou, Latios, Latias, and Celebi. If Substitute is chosen, a more specific EV spread of 252 HP / 104 Def / 44 SpD / 108 Spe with a Calm nature can be used to prevent Choice Specs Keldeo's Scald from breaking the Substitute. Note that an Impish nature should be used with Seed Bomb. Leftovers provides essential passive recovery throughout the match. Natural Cure lets Celebi act as a status absorber for the team.

Usage Tips
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Celebi should pivot into the Pokemon it checks, such as Slowbro, Keldeo, Manaphy, Mega Lopunny, Azumarill, and Rotom-W. Baton Pass is generally a safe move to go for early-game to maintain offensive momentum on predicted switches. Set up a Nasty Plot or a Swords Dance against a foe that Celebi forces out with its STAB move or on a passive defensive Pokemon such as Hippowdon, Azumarill, Mega Diancie, Gliscor, Ferrothron, or Chansey. After the boost has been accumulated, be sure to find the appropriate time to pass off the boosts to the appropriate teammate. Utilize Substitute's ability to stall out low PP moves of defensive Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, or set it up on a predicted switch to pass it off to a teammate. Always use Recover when low on health. When switching into the Pokemon Celebi typically walls, scout for coverage moves such as Icy Wind or Hidden Power Bug from Keldeo, Fire Blast from Slowbro, and Ice Beam from Manaphy. It is important to preserve Celebi throughout the battle if your opponent has a threatening Pokemon that Celebi can handle, such as Keldeo, Mega Diancie, or Mega Lopunny.

Team Options
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Fire-type Pokemon such as Mega Charizard X, Talonflame, and Heatran are good teammates, as they appreciate the pressure that Celebi puts on Rock-, Ground-, and Water-types. Heatran is one of the most notable teammates, as it has almost perfect type synergy with Celebi, covering Celebi's glaring weakness to Flying-types while only being neutral to Dark- and Ghost-type attacks. Water-types such as Azumarill, Keldeo, Mega Gyarados, and Crawdaunt also check the Fire-types that Celebi struggles with, and the last three cover Celebi's Dark-type weakness in one way or another. Special attackers that appreciate being passed a Nasty Plot boost, such as Keldeo, Mega Diancie, Mega Manectric, and Thundurus, make for solid partners. Physical attackers that appreciate a Swords Dance boost, such as Mega Aerodactyl, Mega Sharpedo, Mega Lopunny, and Diggersby, also make for excellent teammates. Volt Switch and U-turn users such as Rotom-W, Raikou, Diggersby, and Landorus-T make for good teammates to form a momentum core with Celebi's Baton Pass.

Support
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name: Support
move 1: Giga Drain
move 2: Recover
move 3: Baton Pass / Thunder Wave
move 4: Stealth Rock / Healing Wish / Perish Song
ability: Natural Care
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 84 SpD / 16 Spe
nature: Bold

Moves
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Giga Drain is a mandatory STAB move to hit the Rock-, Ground-, and Water-types that Celebi checks such as Mega Diancie, Hippowdon, Rotom-W, and Keldeo. Recover replenishes Celebi's health and is essential for its survival throughout the battle when Giga Drain's recovery is not enough. Baton Pass lets Celebi escape Pursuit from the likes of Bisharp and provides helpful momentum on predicted switches. Alternatively, Thunder Wave is a solid choice to cripple common switch-ins such as Mega Metagross, Tornadus-T, Mega Gardevoir, Latios, and both of Charizard's Mega Evolutions. In addition, Thunder Wave prevents Celebi from being setup fodder for some of the aforementioned Pokemon as well as offensive Dragon Dance Mega Altaria. Celebi is an excellent Stealth Rock setter due to its solid matchup versus many opposing Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin users, such as Hippowdon, Terrakion, Excadrill, and Starmie. Alternatively, Healing Wish can be used to revive weakened teammates, particularly setup sweepers. Lastly, Perish Song is an option to put a timer on bulky setup sweepers such as Calm Mind Clefable and Calm Mind Mega Slowbro, but it should not be used alongside Baton Pass, which passes the effects of Perish Song onto a teammate. Note that Giga Drain and Recover are the only two mandatory moves on this set, and any combination of the other support moves in the last two slots can work perfectly fine depending on your team's needs.

Set Details
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The given EV spread and a Bold nature maximize Celebi's overall bulk, notably avoiding the 2HKO from Adamant Mega Lopunny's Return after Stealth Rock damage while outspeeding Adamant Bisharp to escape its Pursuit with Baton Pass or cripple it with Thunder Wave. A faster EV spread of 252 HP / 148 Def / 108 Spe can be used if Jolly Bisharp is an issue for your team. Using an EV spread of 252 HP / 144 Def / 96 SpD / 16 Spe gives Thundurus a significantly smaller chance to 2HKO Celebi with Life Orb-boosted Hidden Power Ice after Stealth Rock. Lastly, Leftovers are necessary for passive recovery throughout the match.

Usage Tips
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This set best functions as a glue and pivot for balanced and offensive teams. As such, Celebi should pivot into the Pokemon it checks, such as Mega Lopunny, Mega Diancie, Manaphy, Thundurus, and Keldeo. Use Recover to replenish Celebi's health when necessary and to stall out more Life Orb recoil on foes such as Thundurus. Baton Pass is a great move to use early-game to preserve momentum on forced switches and to escape Pursuit. Use Thunder Wave to cripple Celebi's switch-ins for a teammate to finish them off later on. Thunder Wave can occasionally pack a bit of a surprise factor, so try not to reveal it too early on. Be sure to scout for coverage moves from Pokemon that Celebi can typically switch into, such as Hidden Power Bug or Icy Wind from Keldeo as well as Fire Blast from Slowbro.

Team Options
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Fire-types such as Heatran, Talonflame, and Charizard partner well with Celebi, as they appreciate Celebi checking bulky Water-, Rock-, and Ground-types. Heatran sets itself apart from other Fire-types in that it also checks Flying-types such as Talonflame and Tornadus-T. Despite sharing a Flying weakness, Fighting-types such as Keldeo, Conkeldurr, and Mega Lopunny check Dark-types such as Bisharp that are a major thorn in Celebi's side. Setup sweepers in general make for excellent teammates, as they greatly appreciate either Stealth Rock support to wear down their checks and counters or Healing Wish to give them another chance at sweeping. Good examples include Mega Houndoom, Volcarona, Landorus, Azumarill, (Mega) Gyarados, and Dragonite.

Nasty Plot + 2 Attacks
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name: Nasty Plot + 2 Attacks
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Recover
move 4: Earth Power / Hidden Power Fire
ability: Natural Cure
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 108 Spe
nature: Bold

Moves
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Nasty Plot transforms Celebi into a decent threat capable of hitting hard while staying resilient thanks to Giga Drain's STAB and side effect. Recover only adds to Celebi's self-sustainability, giving it a consistent chunk of recovery in situations where Giga Drain's HP drain recovery isn't enough or reliable. Earth Power is preferred in the last slot for better Base Power and neutral two-move coverage; it is extremely effective against Heatran in particular, as well as other Steel- and Fire-type checks such as Bisharp, Mega Metagross, and Mega Charizard X. Hidden Power Fire, while much weaker, allows Celebi to eliminate Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Skarmory more efficiently while still maintaining coverage on other Steel-types except Heatran. Alternatively, Psychic can be used as a secondary STAB move, allowing Celebi to hit neutral targets even harder while gaining coverage against Mega Venusaur, Amoonguss, and Talonflame (on the switch). However, it leaves Celebi vulnerable to many Steel-types as well as Dark-types.

Set Details
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The given EV spread, along with a Bold nature, allows Celebi to outrun Jolly base 70 Speed Pokemon, Bisharp in particular, while giving it as much physical bulk as is allowed. With 252 HP / 148 Def, Celebi can reliably switch into and avoid being felled by common attacks; for example, it avoids the 2HKO from Azumarill's Knock Off and Play Rough, Jolly Mega Lopunny's Return, and Life Orb Excadrill's Iron Head, and it avoids the OHKO from Life Orb Jolly Bisharp's Knock Off and Landorus-T's U-turn. If Celebi runs Hidden Power Fire, then an alternate spread of of 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 Spe should be used. Given this set's pivotal nature, Leftovers is essential for passive recovery. Alternative EV spreads with a more offensive nature can be used for an offensive-focused playstyle rather than a defensive one. For instance, a spread of 84 HP / 252 SpA / 172 Spe with a Modest nature lets Celebi outspeed Timid Heatran and provides maximum damage output. More Speed investment with any nature is optional but lessens Celebi's bulk and consequently the number of Pokemon it can reliably check.

Usage Tips
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While Nasty Plot may make this set seem fitted for sweeping, this set actually functions as a more aggressive and less passive method of utilizing Celebi's supportive traits. With two attacks in tow, Celebi gains better overall coverage, giving it leverage against its usual counters, such as Skarmory, Bisharp, Heatran, and (Mega) Scizor. Note that Celebi tends to lure these threats in, so with the appropriate coverage attack, it can easily eliminate or severely weaken them. Nasty Plot is used simply to augment Celebi's power, allowing it to be both a great defensive and offensive threat at once whenever required in the battle. As noted in the Set Details, Celebi is able to avoid KOs from a number of attacks, so it has plenty of opportunities to switch into such attacks, Recover the damage off, and set up. Keep in mind, however, that without investment, Celebi requires quite a few Nasty Plot boosts to be remotely threatening to several threats. For instance, Celebi can never OHKO bulkier variants of the aforementioned Steel-types without being at +2, while neutral targets such as Mega Gardevoir, Mega Gallade, Chansey, and Mew require a few more boosts for Celebi to safely 2HKO them or stall with Giga Drain. Additionally, if hard checks or counters such as Weavile, Charizard, or Talonflame are present, it is not recommended to set up Nasty Plot too early lest you instantly lose a good lure and pivot. It is also wise to scout for dangerous moves beforehand, including Hidden Power Bug from Keldeo, Life Orb-boosted Ice Beam from Starmie, Sludge Wave from Landorus, and Encore from Mega Lopunny.

Team Options
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Generally speaking, this Celebi set is for teams that appreciate its supportive and pivoting capabilities with an offensive twist. This set tends to perform best on balanced teams; unlike more offensive teams, they tend to not mind Celebi's slower Speed and lack of good coverage, and they usually employ defensive Pokemon that synergize well with Celebi. Heatran is one such Pokemon that is capable of switching into common Bug-, Ice-, and Fire-type attacks while compensating for Celebi's coverage issues with Fire- and Ground-type attacks of its own. Water-types such as Politoed and Rotom-W handle Fire- and Ice-type attacks as well; the former is notable for removing Celebi's Fire-type weakness and supporting other Water-type sweepers (such as Kingdra and Keldeo) with Drizzle, while the latter can provide general utility with Will-O-Wisp and Volt Switch. Celebi's typing and offensive presence also allow it to function well on sandstorm teams, as it can easily switch into Fighting-, Water-, and Grass-type attacks typically aimed at typical sandstorm-based Pokemon and then retaliate with an attack or use Recover to restore health and pivot out. In turn, Tyranitar, Excadrill, and Hippowdon can cover Celebi's usual counters and weak points, especially its tendency to become dead weight or setup bait for the likes of Talonflame, Mega Charizard X and Y, Mega Altaria, and Latias. Moreover, if Celebi opts to run Hidden Power Fire, it can lure in and significantly weaken Skarmory and Ferrothorn, giving Excadrill much more breathing room to sweep without interruption. The luring aspect also benefits non-sandstorm-based attackers, such as Kingdra, Mega Gardevoir, Mega Altaria, Mega Gyarados, Clefable, and Mega Diancie, all of which require certain Steel-types to be weakened or eliminated before sweeping.

Other Options
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An offensive set with moves such as Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire, Psychic, and Earth Power and either a Life Orb or Expert Belt can be used, but Celebi is much better suited to a defensive role. In a similar vein, a Choice Scarf set can be used to revenge kill boosted sweepers and fast offensive Pokemon such as Mega Gyarados and Mega Lopunny and provides a fast Healing Wish as well as a bit of a surprise factor. Rest can be used to fully heal Celebi and works in tandem with Natural Cure, but this comes at the cost of vital momentum. U-turn deals damage while still gaining momentum, but unlike Baton Pass it is usually the inferior choice due to the fact that it can be Pursuit trapped. Heal Bell can be helpful to remove status conditions from teammates, but Celebi already functions as a status absorber. Leech Seed can be used if you want more recovery than just Leftovers and can be great for whittling down offensive Pokemon that resist Celebi's STAB combination, such as Mega Metagross.

Checks & Counters
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**Bug-types**: If Celebi forgoes Hidden Power Fire or doesn't have multiple boosts up, it will have a tough time defeating Mega Scizor. It has high bulk, reliable recovery, and multiple moves that hit Celebi super effectively, including U-turn, which will always OHKO. Heracross and Mega Heracross resist Giga Drain and can easily OHKO Celebi but dislike being paralyzed from Thunder Wave.

**Flying-types**: Talonflame has priority on all of its Flying-type moves and usually carries three attacks that all hit Celebi for super effective damage. If you can predict a Roost and use Earth Power or predict it to switch in and hit it with Psychic, then you have a chance of beating it. Other than that, it's just a miserable matchup. Skarmory can set up entry hazards, phaze Celebi, Taunt it, or simply attack it if packing Brave Bird without the slightest concern if Celebi isn't carrying Hidden Power Fire. Skarmory takes next to no damage from any of its other moves and can simply Roost off any entry hazard or passive damage that it had racked up earlier on in the match. Tornadus-T can switch in freely on a Giga Drain and threatens Celebi with a powerful Hurricane, but it hates being hit with a Thunder Wave. Mega Pinsir 4x resists Giga Drain and deals massive damage with Aerilate-boosted Return. Hawlucha can use Celebi as setup fodder for Swords Dances, and it can avoid a potential Thunder Wave with Substitute.

**Taunt**: Taunt users such as Gengar, Thundurus, and Tornadus-T prevent Celebi from using its support moves. In addition, all three of these Pokemon resist Giga Drain, but Gengar must be wary of the occasional Psychic, and Tornadus-T is severely crippled by Thunder Wave.

**Fire-types**: If Celebi doesn't run Earth Power, it is brutally beaten by Heatran, as Lava Plume hits Celebi hard. Heatran completely counters Celebi if it is running Air Balloon and can even Roar away any stat boosts. Victini, Mega Charizard X, and Mega Charizard Y resist Giga Drain and can use Celebi as setup fodder if it is lacking Thunder Wave or Perish Song.

**Dark-types**: Bisharp, Tyranitar, and Weavile take minimal damage from Giga Drain and can either Pursuit trap a slower Celebi or deal heavy damage with Knock Off or Crunch.

**Poison-types**: Gengar, Mega Venusaur, and Dragalge resist Giga Drain and can severely dent Celebi with their STAB moves. Unlike the others, Tentacruel takes neutral damage from Giga Drain but damages Celebi on its use with Liquid Ooze. Landorus-I also tends to run Sludge Wave for Grass-types such as Celebi, and the move hits extremely hard backed by a Life Orb and Sheer Force.
 
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Alright, setting this back to qc 0/3 because oras updates
will work on c&c soon

edit: talked with trc, moving offensive set to oo but its in hide tags in case qc wants it to move back

log cuz why not
[18:51] +trc: is offensive celebi even good
[18:52] boltsandbombers: jukain told me to put it as 3rd set, I'm taking over analysis
[18:52] +trc: it's bad
[18:53] +trc: [12:50:32 p.m.] Nick: I don't think
[18:53] +trc: [12:50:34 p.m.] Nick: offensive celebi is very good
[18:53] +trc: [12:50:35 p.m.] Nick: lol
[18:53] +trc: [12:50:41 p.m.] Nick: like I have no clue
[18:53] +trc: [12:50:56 p.m.] Nick: why would we would have anything other than defensive sets
[18:53] boltsandbombers: I'll put it in hide tags and see what qc says
[18:53] +trc: me and jukain are qc
[18:54] boltsandbombers: right, but he said in a post to put it as a set
[18:54] boltsandbombers: so I'm confused
[18:54] +trc: don't
[18:54] boltsandbombers: move it to oo?
[18:54] +trc: sure
 
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I'd like to see Calm Mind in OO in regards to its Baton Pass set. Functions in a similar way to NP but provides a special defense boost for partners that can benefit from this such as all the teammates you listed for Nasty Plot boosts.

In regards to checks and counters include Tornadus-T, Tentacruel, Dragalge, Hawlucha and Weavile under their appropriate categories along with mentions of stuff you were going to add like the Zards but with more detail.

Celebi is a very shaky switch-in these days for Excadrill considering Swords Dance and the relevancy of it. I would remove the mention that Celebi is able to switch into it on multiple occasions on its BP set. This can go in checks and counters in a way under the Poison category but for some reason new comers will always switch Specially Defensive Celebi into Lando-I under the guise they can check it, however Sludge Wave and CM + Sludge Wave variants will beat Celebi so as such it's wise to have a concrete Lando-I answer and check other than Celebi.

And then just clean up stuff like the cross-outs you made during the starting stages.

Edit: QC 1/3 after this is all done.
 

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adamant mega lopunny is starting to become common, and the ev spread on the support set has a 50% chance of being 2HKOd by Return after SR damage (252+ Atk Mega Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Celebi: 162-192 (40 - 47.5%) -- 50% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock). imo, being able to switch into lopunny outweighs the ability to take on thundurus / manetric / diancie, as commonly seen teammates such as clefable, heatran and hippow are good for taking these on. therefore i'd like to see 156 Def with a bold nature to be the main spread (252+ Atk Mega Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Celebi: 148-175 (36.7 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock). the ev spread would be 252 HP / 156 Def / 84 SpD / 16 Spe, and have more speed mentioned, like you have currently. i'd like other qc to weigh in on this first, though

i'd also like to see substitute slashed or at least mentioned on the baton pass set. while it doesnt offer direct momentum like np / sd does, it is great early game for getting in gliscor / mega evolutions for free (see diancie and beedrill without protect).

you could also mention that scouting for hp bug keldeo / sludge wave landorus / fire blast slowbro is a good thing (if possible) becuase you dont want to sack your primary check early-game.

do these and qc 2/3
 

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I would mention or slash Leech Seed on the support set because it lets you 1v1 non-Substitute MMetagross minus hax which can really help if your Metagross check is gone and you have no other choice (also it's nice support in general)

I also believe the offensive set is more than just OO material since it's the set which fits the most easily on offensive teams which benefit from Celebi's resistances and ability to check threats to offense like Lopunny, Slowbro and Scarf Keldeo but don't want something too passive, and is also an excellent lure for the likes of Heatran, Bisharp and Metagross (after SR, EPower can potentailly OHKO and always OHKOs Naive variants) which are often seen as completely safe switchins to it.
 

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adamant mega lopunny is starting to become common, and the ev spread on the support set has a 50% chance of being 2HKOd by Return after SR damage (252+ Atk Mega Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Celebi: 162-192 (40 - 47.5%) -- 50% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock). imo, being able to switch into lopunny outweighs the ability to take on thundurus / manetric / diancie, as commonly seen teammates such as clefable, heatran and hippow are good for taking these on. therefore i'd like to see 156 Def with a bold nature to be the main spread (252+ Atk Mega Lopunny Return vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Celebi: 148-175 (36.7 - 43.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock). the ev spread would be 252 HP / 156 Def / 84 SpD / 16 Spe, and have more speed mentioned, like you have currently. i'd like other qc to weigh in on this first, though

i'd also like to see substitute slashed or at least mentioned on the baton pass set. while it doesnt offer direct momentum like np / sd does, it is great early game for getting in gliscor / mega evolutions for free (see diancie and beedrill without protect).

you could also mention that scouting for hp bug keldeo / sludge wave landorus / fire blast slowbro is a good thing (if possible) becuase you dont want to sack your primary check early-game.

do these and qc 2/3
I'm totally cool with that ev spread, but I'd like to see other qc opinion on it (idk if AM liking the post counts as agreeing lol)
Slashed sub on first set and renamed it Baton Pass.
I would mention or slash Leech Seed on the support set because it lets you 1v1 non-Substitute MMetagross minus hax which can really help if your Metagross check is gone and you have no other choice (also it's nice support in general)

I also believe the offensive set is more than just OO material since it's the set which fits the most easily on offensive teams which benefit from Celebi's resistances and ability to check threats to offense like Lopunny, Slowbro and Scarf Keldeo but don't want something too passive, and is also an excellent lure for the likes of Heatran, Bisharp and Metagross (after SR, EPower can potentailly OHKO and always OHKOs Naive variants) which are often seen as completely safe switchins to it.
Added Leech Seed in moves, ty.
I totally agree that it deserves its own set, but I'm just listening to trc and jukain about the placement of it.
I'll wait to write this up and count the check as 2/3 until decision on ev spread is made.
 
I think Heal Bell could use a mention in the Support set or at least in OO.
Heal Bell Celebi is a nice addition and support to Balanced teams and would support many set-up sweepers such as Mega Slowbro, (Mega) Gyarados, (Mega) Scizor and such. It's also nice if the opponent caught you with a random T-wave, especially on something like Mega Metagross.
 

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aim what are your thoughts on the proposed ev spread? Also, I saw in one of your ps lives that you used a nasty plot recover 2 attacks celebi, and it did really well - should that be in oo or maybe like move mention of the main set?
 

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Yeah the spread is fine. i'd make np 2 attacks either its own set or call the entire set nasty plot and slash earthpower with baton pass. earthpower + recover w/ the speed you have allows you to beat pokemon like Jolly Bisharp with +2 earthpower and of course beat ferro, though i guess you could also slash hp fire if you do chose to make a new set.
 

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Yeah the spread is fine. i'd make np 2 attacks either its own set or call the entire set nasty plot and slash earthpower with baton pass. earthpower + recover w/ the speed you have allows you to beat pokemon like Jolly Bisharp with +2 earthpower and of course beat ferro, though i guess you could also slash hp fire if you do chose to make a new set.
Cool, thanks. If I slash earth power with baton pass there is still swords dance slashed, so idk if it should be called nasty plot :P

edit: yeah, I'll as jukain about it lol
 
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yeah lol which is why i'm not sure if it should just be a different set entirely lol
 

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I personally think a separate set for offense would be better. It runs a bit differently in regards to team-mates and arche-types so it's sort of weird to imply so many options when it's basically its own thing in a similar vein to Scarf Gothitelle and Specs Gothitelle. Different ways of being utilized enough to warrant separate sets.
 

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I personally think a separate set for offense would be better. It runs a bit differently in regards to team-mates and arche-types so it's sort of weird to imply so many options when it's basically its own thing in a similar vein to Scarf Gothitelle and Specs Gothitelle. Different ways of being utilized enough to warrant separate sets.
Sounds good. Should it have a similar ev spread to the current nasty plot set or a more offensively inclined one? I can see reasons why either would be used.
 

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The other QC members can chime in on this but I think a bulky sweeper is more beneficial in Celebi's case. However it seems like it can run akin to Manaphy but not a huge need for the speed that is mandated. Jukain TheEnder ben gay aim any thoughts?
 

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I'd run the exact same spread tbh. i mean i do run it and allowing me to beat sand teams + outspeed bisharp is hella beneficial
 
I'd mention somewhere that Celebi is incredibly weak to U-turn and has to watch out for it, not just bug-types.
 
There is no mention of Psychic in any of the movesets, or even in OO. It deserves at least some mention, especially on offensive sets that want to hit Talonflame on the switch.
 
Is there any particular reason Chansey is mentioned as a teammate for Baton Pass Celebi? Baton Pass Celebi is better utilized by more balanced and offensive builds who can utilize Celebi's Baton Passing capabilities. Chansey is just so passive that it really slows the tempo of the game and kills the offensive pressure for a balanced team, whereas Celebi can easily set up and force the opponent to deal with a Pokemon that they may not necessarily be able to handle at +2.
 

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