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shitload of quotes incoming
Sure, it made sense in your head but judging by everyone's reaction to it, nobody understood what you were thinking. You could've just said what you said here the first time and I doubt any problem would have arisen.
Is it my fault for not being that explicit? Likely. I don't think it excuses a witchhunt
I've seen bussing used as both what von said, but there are other definitions which I won't reveal until it becomes necessary due to a good point made by BT.
There can be; starting a lynch on your own member or even strongly advocating for it can gain some serious towncred for you, and it's especially useful if used on a teammate who will likely be lynched anyways. On paper, it seems horrifically stupid, but you might be surprised how often it works out for the mafia.
It is stupid.
We can't exactly explain our points to other townies without publicly displaying them to the mafia... given that this is NOC and all. It does give them ways to blend in better, which is why you shouldn't reveal TOO MUCH but rather only what is necessary to explain your points/incriminate possible scum. Obviously one could argue that there are several mafiosos coordinating a lynch on moi, but can't the same thing be argued for when multiple people are lynching the same person for reasons that may or may not be good? Both could be town, or one could be town while the other is scum. It's hard, as you said, to simply fit the mafia as people who follow a specific formula.
From what i've seen, nobody is dismissing your arguments. Everyone who disagrees with them explicitly states that they do and most explain
why they disagree.
This was in response to von, whose initial reaction was to state that me thinking about the game in such a manner was to claim I was mafia, and Spiffy, who said that I proved his point that we should clearly vote without substantiating how I proved his point
You can't expect everyone to be mind readers. Almost nobody (if not nobody) understood your true meaning behind the post you made, which caused this whole issue in the first place. You're obviously allowed to be annoyed, it's just that some people may see it as scummy. There's not very much you can do about that but argue that your annoyance is a natural reaction.
there's nothing to address her, so much as I think this is you thinking out loud (which is cool)
Most people, when being attacked or pressured by others, will step up to defend themselves and generally only focus on that. If everyone laid off him and gave him a chance to state his opinions on others, i'm sure he would (although it's obviously pretty hard to get anything that concretely incriminates another player as scum at this point).
Spiffy, who are the top two players most likely to be mafia in your eyes (you did say this) and WHY? (elaborate)?
Spiffy is either leading or attempting to lead town. This tells us one of three things. 1) he's mafia trying to lead town to it's doom, something which occurs more often that you'd think. 2) he's a fairly useless role who knows that he would best be spent attracting a nightkill by leading town. 3) he's a fairly useful role who wants mafia to think he's 2) so that he's nightkilled as late as possible. Essentially, we know nothing about Spiffy's role from this. Whoo. I personally believe that you should always be cautious of town leaders and never fully trust them (meaning, make your own decisions and don't let the decisions of the town leader dictate your own). At this point, nobody has enough information to make a completely intelligent decision, but you have to use a mix of your gut along with weird things others have posted to find SOMETHING that seems strange. It's extremely hard on day 1, but as the day goes on, i'd assume there's SOMETHING you can find.
I agree, it is near impossible to say something definite on the subject
von addressed the former part of this. There are variations to bussing that can work early, but I agree that going to far as to push lynches on scumbuddies on the first couple days is generally not a good idea.