He's trying to get me blacklisted, much like he is with you Jalmont. ;)
I'm not exactly worried lol.
I'll share actual thoughts about the game when I get to a computer.
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NOC Fallout New Vegas NOC [GAME OVER - Wastelanders Win]
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I'm not exactly worried lol.
I'll share actual thoughts about the game when I get to a computer.
Lol Haunted Diamond the thing is I even kind of let you go UNTIL you softclaimed like I definitely wouldn't have been so gung-ho for your head if you didn't try to pull that shit. :)
Well spiffy had announced that haunted is the best lynch for today and von+celever+sunny were already supporting him, so I kinda figured I'd do something before going to bed. I'm fairly certain I was gonna get lynched if I didn't claim.
Gimme a sign if you want to view the mafia convo, then I'll add you.
I made the point in the grave, but all you had to do was just say "please don't hammer me while I'm asleep". No one would dare to hammer someone like that just because if they are wrong they'd be horribly fucked. Frankly you couldn't take the pressure, unlike Spiffy, I put Spiffy under a lot of trivial stuff that I was mostly nitpicking at and his worst response was a disguised insult at my early on inactivity. You went waaaaaaay too defensive when people brought up the possibility of you using excuses to get out of the discussion to which even more people jumped on you(including me).
More Cowbell requesting add to mafia and graveyard convos
More Cowbell also requesting an add to mafia and graveyard
Wayan Vistar
formerly Flyhn
More Cowbell i'll have what they're having
More Cowbell maybe just add everyone, cause we're all pretty curious. Including me. :)
The deadchat is full right now so I can't add more people, I'll see if I can kick some people who've read it all by now to make room somewhere tomorrow.
i just added two more people to dead chat cos mod powers or something
Honestly? Aside from some of the poor arguments you made on Day 2 specifically (and I was able to pick them apart because they WERE poor), you should have looked fairly decent. Then add to that the fact that you had been getting into arguments with Celever. Eventually it seemed like you were gonna lynch him and I knew I'd never be able to stop you. But then things didn't really go down like that. I'd say you coming out as BPV dissuaded Celever, but even then he tried to pick a fight with you on Day 4 and it was just ignored.
after reading dead/maf chat
It is not abnormal to not publically announce the role list. The village should've been given the same information that the mafia received that there were vanillagers in the game if the mafia were to be given that same info.
think it was pretty clear that the lack of day talk really hurt the mafia
long posts are still bad but i guess i'm guilty of that too in responding to other people. then again i think my game was hurt a lot in that everyone basically town-read the entire game which made it hard for me personally to see where people were at, so i resorted to arguing with von the whole game.
anyways other than von being unfun to play with, it was a good game! thanks to the hosts for doing a solid job hosting and being fair and and reasonable and everything
It is not abnormal to not publically announce the role list. The village should've been given the same information that the mafia received that there were vanillagers in the game if the mafia were to be given that same info.
think it was pretty clear that the lack of day talk really hurt the mafia
long posts are still bad but i guess i'm guilty of that too in responding to other people. then again i think my game was hurt a lot in that everyone basically town-read the entire game which made it hard for me personally to see where people were at, so i resorted to arguing with von the whole game.
anyways other than von being unfun to play with, it was a good game! thanks to the hosts for doing a solid job hosting and being fair and and reasonable and everything
Wayan Vistar
formerly Flyhn
Yup, this game sums up my playstyle perfectly
Play kinda badly during day, completely annihilate at night. And the funny part is i've still yet to be mafia in any game on this site :P
Play kinda badly during day, completely annihilate at night. And the funny part is i've still yet to be mafia in any game on this site :P
This game was fun! We should run more NOC games here. I did not find this one to be all that bad in terms of "I had fun" to "I hate my life" on a scale of playability. :)
I hope I was not too big a distraction. I really had my wires crossed with PokeNGuy and Von.
LoL @ at the mafia trying to frame me.
Spiffy is a very good player. Hope you play more games
I hope I was not too big a distraction. I really had my wires crossed with PokeNGuy and Von.
LoL @ at the mafia trying to frame me.
Spiffy is a very good player. Hope you play more games
The post restrictor was my fault, not more cowbell's or gale's. I wanted mafia to have a role that they could use as a provable role for a potential false claim. Didn't think about the potential abuse of godkilling as well as how frustrating the role is to deal with. Sorry for the slight problems that arose from it.
I wasn't too actively reading through the thread but thought that the game was fairly balanced and very few people played outright poorly (although few played amazingly well either). I thought that a NOC game with a role that could choose sides would be interesting and was curious as to how the village would deal with having neither a doctor nor a cop. Given that, I think the game was pretty well balanced; a game like this should have 3-4 mislynches. 4 is doable but slightly on the harder side of most games, but the lack of a direct alignment role or a way for village to protect its power roles (although the mafia didnt have knowledge there was no bg, so they would have to gamble on killing it) and some help from the courier in most scenarios helps that.
The courier role is disadvantaged regardless of the side it chooses as it needs to live to completion of its win condition, but has complete control on night 0 on the game he wants to play and doesn't need to wonder about what the courier could be. Of course, Amianki didn't have control as he subbed in for moi but the idea still remains. I think it could have been interesting to perhaps delay the time where the courier makes the alignment decision by night 2 or so to get a feel for the game, but perhaps for another game.
I wasn't too actively reading through the thread but thought that the game was fairly balanced and very few people played outright poorly (although few played amazingly well either). I thought that a NOC game with a role that could choose sides would be interesting and was curious as to how the village would deal with having neither a doctor nor a cop. Given that, I think the game was pretty well balanced; a game like this should have 3-4 mislynches. 4 is doable but slightly on the harder side of most games, but the lack of a direct alignment role or a way for village to protect its power roles (although the mafia didnt have knowledge there was no bg, so they would have to gamble on killing it) and some help from the courier in most scenarios helps that.
The courier role is disadvantaged regardless of the side it chooses as it needs to live to completion of its win condition, but has complete control on night 0 on the game he wants to play and doesn't need to wonder about what the courier could be. Of course, Amianki didn't have control as he subbed in for moi but the idea still remains. I think it could have been interesting to perhaps delay the time where the courier makes the alignment decision by night 2 or so to get a feel for the game, but perhaps for another game.
The problem with the courier is that we'd have been really hosed if he had chosen to side with the village. Otherwise the game balance was alright. Switch out the PR for the mafia, tell Mithril that he's a sleepwalker. Stuff like that.
Oh, I agree. The minor issue we had was with the host being cryptic about it and insinuating that we should read between the lines. If anyone was meant to know this, everyone really ought to have known.
God knows how many times I've been hosed as a host for assuming players should be thinking a certain way.
If courier chose village, the mafia had access to a kill if they ever used the post restrictor on the courier to make up for things slightly.
Meh. Neutral roles are notoriously difficult to win with and this one was especially an uphill battle from the beginning. The main issue with my role and alignment is that I had to somehow look town enough to not be a significant lynch target and yet be scummy enough that I wouldn't be intimidating enough to kill straight up. This is on top of trying specifically to get members of both alignments killed, which is pretty dissonant when you think about it enough.
It really stands out when you consider that I was still on the list of potential nightkill targets night 1 despite my public reads being pretty bad up to that point.
The ability to see if certain people were my targets or not was nice, but it didn't really have a whole lot of impact. The way it ended up this game is just about the best possible use I could've gotten out of it, which isn't a very big advantage when you think about it. Lynchers have one single target and they know from the beginning who they are; having to get at least two specific people lynched (three if none are night killed in the game) is a huge obstacle when you consider that it's entirely possible that I try to inspect the person who ends up dying the first three nights. If this role was used in a hundred or so games, I would imagine that they would most likely find around one target throughout the game from their ability.
It's really not enough of a buff to make being a survivor-lyncher worth picking up. I played a game as a survivor earlier this year and primarily ended up winning because scum both had no way of getting rid of town members they wanted to get rid of and the scum were horrendously underpowered regardless, so all I had to do was obvtown and the win was virtually guaranteed. This is an extreme in the opposite direction, but it really emphasizes that neutral alignments have to have wiggle room of some kind to survive since the chances of them doing so is incredibly slim otherwise.
It's pretty much unheard of to see serial killers without immunity to cops or something like a one-shot bulletproof nowadays on MS for this exact reason.
It really stands out when you consider that I was still on the list of potential nightkill targets night 1 despite my public reads being pretty bad up to that point.
The ability to see if certain people were my targets or not was nice, but it didn't really have a whole lot of impact. The way it ended up this game is just about the best possible use I could've gotten out of it, which isn't a very big advantage when you think about it. Lynchers have one single target and they know from the beginning who they are; having to get at least two specific people lynched (three if none are night killed in the game) is a huge obstacle when you consider that it's entirely possible that I try to inspect the person who ends up dying the first three nights. If this role was used in a hundred or so games, I would imagine that they would most likely find around one target throughout the game from their ability.
It's really not enough of a buff to make being a survivor-lyncher worth picking up. I played a game as a survivor earlier this year and primarily ended up winning because scum both had no way of getting rid of town members they wanted to get rid of and the scum were horrendously underpowered regardless, so all I had to do was obvtown and the win was virtually guaranteed. This is an extreme in the opposite direction, but it really emphasizes that neutral alignments have to have wiggle room of some kind to survive since the chances of them doing so is incredibly slim otherwise.
It's pretty much unheard of to see serial killers without immunity to cops or something like a one-shot bulletproof nowadays on MS for this exact reason.
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