Amaura's a frigid bitch, that's why :]If that's so, I want to know why Amaura doesn't get a move that lowers the opponent's Attack by 6. Just look at the adorable thing.
You have a point. Still, it stands out in the sea of marshmellowy cute creatures that learn the move for being, well... not so marshmellowy.Tyrunt though:
Kinda cute, for a T-rex anyway.
Not much competition in that respect, except from Furfrou which is most definitely not a puppy.JYou have a point. Still, it stands out in the sea of marshmellowy cute creatures that learn the move for being, well... not so marshmellowy.
I think that's a bit of a stretch. It probably has more to do with its glowing red bulby-thingies, which we are often told glow in the dark and hypnotize prey, etc etc. So I guess it would make sense that their powers extend into the realm of the occult as well.The only Pokémon that can learn Hex by level-up that aren't Ghost type are Vulpix and the Tentacool line.
Now, Vulpix can be explained away by it having mystical powers and such, but what about Tentacool and Tentacruel? They learn plenty of Water and Poison type attacks, and then BAM, here's a Ghost type move for you!
Well, the Japanese name for Hex is actually 'Evil Eye', so this does grant Tentacruel some leeway in giving it this move, other than giving it some coverage to combine with its poisoning abilities.
Those eyes wouldn't win any beauty contests, but it may stretch further than that.
Even the protuberance under its eyes look like a hooked nose. Now, who do we know also has a crooked or hooked nose in stereotypical fiction? Witches, who are known for their mystical and dark powers.
GG, GameFreak, GG.
I think at the very least the Honedge family not getting it can be explained by Honedge and Doublade having the ability No Guard. Game Freak can be pretty stupid at times but I don't think they'd do something that insane.Scyther, Kabutops, Armaldo, Absol, Gallade, Samurott, Honedge family don't learn Guillotine. "BUT WAIT!", you say, "It's Japanese name is PINCER Guillotine". True, but for Scyther, Kabutops, and Armaldo its blade arms are its pincers. Not only that, wouldn't Mawile and the Clauncher family be able to learn it? Finally if they were strictly sticking to Pincers then why are the Axew and Pawniard family able to learn it?
How do you think they stock the stores?I find it ironic that Kecleon, the shopkeeper mons in Mystery Dungeon who will mass divebomb you if you steal from them, are one of only five mons that have ever been capable of learning Thief without the TM. As a starting move (or by Heart Scale).
Ah, so more like that curiosity shop fellow from majora's mask, hmm?How do you think they stock the stores?
Perhaps Game Freak decided that their original jellyfish mons needed some love. Or, as brightobject said, the glowing things, as Tentacruel already has access to "glowing magic" type moves like Dazzling Gleam and Mirror Coat--although it can't learn Flash.The only Pokémon that can learn Hex by level-up that aren't Ghost type are Vulpix and the Tentacool line.
Now, Vulpix can be explained away by it having mystical powers and such, but what about Tentacool and Tentacruel? They learn plenty of Water and Poison type attacks, and then BAM, here's a Ghost type move for you!
Well, the Japanese name for Hex is actually 'Evil Eye', so this does grant Tentacruel some leeway in giving it this move, other than giving it some coverage to combine with its poisoning abilities.
Those eyes wouldn't win any beauty contests, but it may stretch further than that.
Even the protuberance under its eyes look like a hooked nose. Now, who do we know also has a crooked or hooked nose in stereotypical fiction? Witches, who are known for their mystical and dark powers.
GG, GameFreak, GG.
Maybe they should make it so that No Guard and the moves that make moves not miss don't work on OHKO moves, those moves operate in their own unique way anyway so it wouldn't be out of question. And also since Aegislash has a special signature Ability I don't see why it can't learn it.I think at the very least the Honedge family not getting it can be explained by Honedge and Doublade having the ability No Guard. Game Freak can be pretty stupid at times but I don't think they'd do something that insane.
Is Scarf Honedge ruining the meta?!
Ninetales evolves with the Fire Stone, but I take your point. I think in Groudon's case it was a weird tic of making its movepool synchronize with Kyogre's, and as for the others, I feel like Pokemon whose entire mythology revolves around the sun get it. I.e. Espeon being able to sense weather changes through its fur and Volcarona's light substituting for sunlight during an eclipse (iirc). Also, both are the Sun Pokemon.You'd think Ninetales, Groudon, Pokemon who evolve via Sun Stone, and Pokemon who learn Sunny Day natrually would be able to useMorning Sun as well.
Besides the aforementioned terror of SmashMence (seriously you'd need like Ice Shard on every team), there are a couple of questions I have with this list. First of all, Sandslash shouldn't be on here, because it's back spikes aren't really a smashable shell, more like evolved scales from its Sandshrew time. Golem and Aron line also have similar problems, because their rock and iron is closer to skin than it is to shell. Samurott barely looks like it has a shell to break, not to mention its shells are holding its swords. Shellos' shells are long gone, and Glalie is closer to a hailstone than an animal with a shell.Shell Smash. On one hand I understand why they wouldn't want to give it out to that many Pokemon. On the other hand the Squirtle family, Sandslash, Golem, Slowbro, Lapras, Kabuto family, Togepi family, Slowking, Pineco family, Aron family, Anorith family, Glalie, Turtwig family, Wormadam, Shellos family, Oshawott family, Ferroseed family, Chespin family, and Bergmite family are pointing to their shells. Not to mention the Cocoon Pokemon (including Shelgon).
Ah, so it'd be "Os" after the move was used. It all makes sense now!Don't you get it? Shellos can just smash the "Shell-" in its name to boost its stats. That's how Shellder does it, after all!
I also have a problem with all of your Rapid Spin suggestions bar Klink, who definitely deserves it. None of the others have any sort of rotating motif. Just try to imagine them whirling around at super-fast speeds and you'll see what I mean.
And I think Pokemon with blades would probably need multiple blades that could be sharpened together (e.g. Samurott, Pawniard), and although that applies to quite a few Pokemon it does exclude the others. Then again, Sharpen is like a forgotten move so no one cares about its distribution anyways, including most likely the devs.
Shelgon is like the last thing that should be given Shell Smash because we don't need MixMence 2.0 running around.
The point isn't whether it should or shouldn't get it, I was just pointing out that there's a move called Shell Smash which involves needing a shell (to smash) and Shelgon indeed has a shell. Also:Besides the aforementioned terror of SmashMence (seriously you'd need like Ice Shard on every team)
It's considered or at least can be considered/substitute for a shell. If Dwebble can get away with its shell being a rock it carves into a shell, I think Golem can get away with having a natural shell covering made of rocks too. Same for the Aron family, well maybe not Aron itself but Lairon and Aggron look like they have shell-like plating they can use.Pokedex said:Gold/HeartGold: It sheds its skin once a year. The discarded shell immediately hardens and crumbles away.
FireRed: It is enclosed in a hard shell that is as rugged as slabs of rock. It sheds skin once a year to grow larger.
So yeah, apparently Cryogonal, Carbink, Bergmite family, and Diancie are all digital in the Pokemon world (unless they're REALLY going meta here).I do not think someone got a memo said:The user lowers its polygon count to make itself more jagged, raising the Attack stat.
This is untrue. Diggersby gets Spikes as an egg move.Rhyhorn, the Spikes Pokemon, can't learn Spikes. Actually, no Ground-type can learn Spikes at all...
This is untrue. Diggersby gets Spikes as an egg move.
I mean, the argument is getting a little repetitive and it doesn't even make sense as a legitimate argument when it's a Pokémon banned from all their legal formats. They obviously do care about balance towards normal Pokémon - however flawed the results may end up being - but when it's a Pokémon that's banned from their formats and is literally supposed to be dragon jesus there's no reason for them to hold back in that case. It's really not comparable to Game Freak holding back on Shell Smash Salamence in this case at all; so yes, using "it would be broken" as a reason is something I would say is legitimate. You might as well post Lugia and Dialga as examples of how GF "doesn't care about balance".
(Pfft, you need to Mega Evolve AND use a status move to become broken? What is this, amateur hour?)
(Seriously guys, unless you can erase this above guy from existence, I will use him anytime someone brings up GF not doing anything because it'll be considered "broken")
I would also argue that their shell can't literally be their body. Otherwise it'd just be Explosion as opposed to simply Shell Smash. Your list now looks like this:Squirtle family,Sandslash, Golem,Slowbro, Lapras, Kabuto family, Togepi family,Slowking, Pineco family, Aron family, Anorith family, Glalie,Turtwig family, Wormadam, Shellos family, Oshawott family,Ferroseed family, Chespin family, and Bergmite family.
This leaves the Squirtle family, the Pineco family, Lapras and the Chesnaught family. I think that Lapras would work just perfect with Shell Smash, but you do run into issues with the Squirtle and Chespin families. Blastoise's whole shtick is the cannons in its shell, which would presumably just fall over if the shell was cracked since they are a part of it. Chespin's wole shtick is the ability Bulletproof and the signature move Spiky Shield. These two things wouldn't really work if it doesn't have its shell. Foretress also has armour it has gathered through its whole bagworm phase as opposed to a shell. Lapras is the only Pokemon who is missing the move which it would actually work on.Squirtle family,Sandslash,Golem, Slowbro, Lapras,Kabuto family, Togepi family, Slowking, Pineco family,Aron family,Anorith family, Glalie, Turtwig family, Wormadam, Shellos family, Oshawott family, Ferroseed family,Chespin family, andBergmite family. Cocoon Pokemon
Okay, I'll stop the joke; the Mega Rayquaza image was too big anyway (it's the one from the official ORAS site so it for some reason has chunks of empty space above and below it; probably should have edited it). Though I do mean what I said, Shelgon had a shell thus logically it could get Shell Smash.I mean, the argument is getting a little repetitive and it doesn't even make sense as a legitimate argument when it's a Pokémon banned from all their legal formats. They obviously do care about balance towards normal Pokémon - however flawed the results may end up being - but when it's a Pokémon that's banned from their formats and is literally supposed to be dragon jesus there's no reason for them to hold back in that case. It's really not comparable to Game Freak holding back on Shell Smash Salamence in this case at all; so yes, using "it would be broken" as a reason is something I would say is legitimate. You might as well post Lugia and Dialga as examples of how GF "doesn't care about balance".
Also the image literally takes up a screen every time you post it if you're going to do it can you at least put it in a hide tag or something??? it takes up a ton of unnecessary space
1) In case you haven't noticed, being a Fairy-type makes Clefable, previously a shit mon in RU / UU all the way up to S rank in OU. Also, Fairy is a very good typing both offensively and defensively; Mega Altaria, Mega Diancie, Mega Gardevoir, Clefable and Azumarill are all top tier threats and pretty much requires a Steel-type or Mega Venusaur to stop (and sometimes it doesn't even work like getting your Scizor Fire Blasted by a Mega Altaria, for example). They have pretty much created another Dragon-type except with slightly lower stats.When Fairy-types were released and we learned their type relations people all over were crying "they're broken! They're super effective, immune and resistant to popular offensive types! They're going to completely take over the game!" yet nowadays they perfectly fit in. When certain Mega Evolutions were discovered some say they were broken and only they would be used yet we see plenty of Mega Evolutions being used instead of a select few. Heck, Mega Rayquaza and the Primals are an example of this which is part of my joke. Everyone heard how the Primals don't count as your Mega Pokemon, Mega Rayqauza doesn't need to hold an item to Mega Evolve, and their Abilities being amped up would break the game in half. So what happened? Well pretty much they were just given the ban hammer or thrown to a higher tier. Nothing changed. So I hope that explains my way of thinking. I also personally believe the Pokemon game is a bit more adaptable that if something was to get out of line there would be a line of counters ready to be created, maybe even giving an underused Pokemon some of the spotlight.
The Pokemon I have on the list have a connection with the sun be it an Ability to summon it (you have a point about Groudon, but then again if they want to keep their movepools similar they can give Kyogre Aqua Ring and Rayquaza Roost)/quote]
Kyogre already gets Aqua Ring. It makes her so annoying to catch.