Yeah, my only point about Cross Chop was that Clefable is useful to hit but, apart from that, it doesn't hit anything else notable (that is already common). Then again Electivirer ran Cross Cop simply to hit Blissey (and Snorlax lol) in Gen 4 so it's still fine even if it only hits one thing. I completely agree with you about Ice Punch. It was quite useful last Metagame for Gligar and Claydol (and Honchkorw I guess if you didn't want the recoil) but now it's pretty useless. I'll talk to someone about it when I get back from holiday and can stop posting via IPad (which is actually really annoying). About RU C&C I find a lot of Pokemon are lacking other sets they can run and the analyses only have a primary set and a few gimmicks in OO.