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  1. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    Mega Ampharos can OHKO with Thunderbolt, but he's not going to have a fun time switching into a Sun-boosted fire blast (even if he resists) or worse... a dragon pulse. 252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Ampharos in Sun: 144-169 (37.5 - 44%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after...
  2. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    I think Charizard-Y still deserves to be in S-rank. While Landorus-I has Charizard-Y beat in certain categories (like handling the blobs, due to Landorus-I having access to knock off), as well as a better speed tier (by literally one point, lol), Charizard-Y defines himself as being THE...
  3. Baton Pass - its role in the metagame and possible solutions to nerf full Baton Pass chains

    You're serious, aren't you? You're seriously comparing Murkrow to Infernape, Lucario, and Tyranitar? Literally the only compelling reason to use Murkrow in OU is to stop BP teams. Maybe Murkrow isn't COMPLETE AND UTTER deadweight outside of BP teams, but its niche can hardly justify its puny...
  4. Baton Pass - its role in the metagame and possible solutions to nerf full Baton Pass chains

    It is kinda simple. Most things can't stop a Scolipede from getting a few speed boosts. Only way to stop it is with priority, setting up yourself, or haze. Haze is rarely seen in OU. Priority is fairly common, but it needs to be strong enough to OHKO a Scolipede (like CB Talonflame) or stop the...
  5. Baton Pass - its role in the metagame and possible solutions to nerf full Baton Pass chains

    Unique things are fine. An evolving metagame is fine. When is it too much though? It's too much when a big portion of the current metagame is unable to cope with a certain threat. If we were to unban all of the uber pokemon, the metagame would undoubtedly evolve and force people out of their...
  6. Baton Pass - its role in the metagame and possible solutions to nerf full Baton Pass chains

    Obviously, there are SOME ways to stop a BP team. It's not some iron aegis of Armageddon that is unbeatable. You can get a lucky crit. You can run some obscure counter. Or you can run a strong priority user like Talonflame and take them down before they get the chain going. That's three ways to...
  7. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

    I'm pretty much okay with this entire change except one thing; Rotom-W. Rotom-W deserves to stand at A+, this is the very same pokemon that people were once arguing for S-rank. Perusing the VR thread, the arguments against Rotom-W are "it doesn't have reliable recovery" and "its checks are...
  8. SwagPlay, evaluating potential bans (basic definition of "uncompetitive" in OP)

    Instead of banning Prankster + Swagger, wouldn't it be simpler just to outright ban confusion moves? I fail to see the competitiveness of Swagger, Supersonic, or Confuse Ray on ANY pokemon. Of course, moves such as Hurricane or Water Pulse (who have confusion as a secondary effect) are perfectly...
  9. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (B- and C+ Pokemon discussion)

    Excadrill may not be the end-all-be-all best spinner, but he's still a pretty darn good one. He's arguably the best spinner, having to compete against Starmie and M-Blastoise, but he has a few edges over his competition. First is his typing. His bulk isn't the greatest, but steel/ground typing...
  10. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (B- and C+ Pokemon discussion)

    I don't think SR is a good argument for Mandibuzz being A rather than A+. While the bird is indeed weak to rocks, we have 3 pokemon (Charizard X, Charizard Y, and M-Pinsir) in S-rank who are also weak to rocks. In fact, 2 of the 3 are even quadruple weak to SR. Mandibuzz can get rid of the...
  11. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (B- and C+ Pokemon discussion)

    Subjective. What exactly makes a pokemon "define" OU? Is being a great offensive threat the only way to define OU? I'd say Rotom-W defines OU pretty well seeing as he's on like... a lot of OU teams. Isn't he THE most common OU pokemon right now in this generation? Usage doesn't exactly prove...
  12. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (B- and C+ Pokemon discussion)

    M-Venusaur is still a powerful threat in the metagame. While he may not be able to wall every pokemon in the metagame, he has the tools to dismantle a good number of his would-be counters. M-Venusaur is undoubtedly a great mixed wall, perhaps even the best in OU, but what makes him truly shine...
  13. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (B- and C+ Pokemon discussion)

    Sand weakens Synthesis. M-Venusaur still has 2 other ways of recovery. Anything that doesn't have Magic Guard or Natural Cure will be easier to wear down if they get burnt. Couple in entry hazards and taking an attack as you switch in, no duh M-Venusaur gets worn down. Did you know a burned...
  14. XY Suspect Testing Round 1 np: Michael Jackson - (extreme)Speed Demon (READ POST #1278)

    Uh... no, Genesect can run a mean set outside of Choice Scarf. 99 base speed may miss out on the 100 speed tier, but it's still a good speed. He can run an expert belt set perfectly fine thanks to his massive movepool options and he can always U-turn out if the odds aren't looking favorable to...
  15. XY Suspect Testing Round 1 np: Michael Jackson - (extreme)Speed Demon (READ POST #1278)

    I don't know why some people think that the new generation has had no effect or a positive effect on Deoxys-S. Genesect is debatable, but Deoxys-S has definitely suffered this generation. Even with "stronger teammates", the opposing team can too use these teammates. What's new in this generation...
  16. XY Suspect Testing Round 1 np: Michael Jackson - (extreme)Speed Demon (READ POST #1278)

    It somewhat intrigues me that you think Deoxys-S and Deoxys-D (who isn't even up for suspect or in S-rank in the OU viability topic) should be banned while Genesect shouldn't. While they do play different roles, Genesect just has so many things going for it that make me confused that you think...
  17. Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (B- and C+ Pokemon discussion)

    Starmie faces heavy competition from Excadrill, but he's hardly outclassed by him. Starmie can deal with Trevenant and Gourgeist better than Excadrill thanks to Ice beam. Blastoise is the best rapid spinner since he beats out every spinblocker, but he uses up the mega-evolution. Of the three...
  18. XY Suspect Testing Round 1 np: Michael Jackson - (extreme)Speed Demon (READ POST #1278)

    70/88/70 defense is not that frail. It's not great, but those defensive stats aren't too shabby. Obviously, M-Lucario can't tank SE hits, but he can definitely take a hit and be okay. Combined with his great defensive typing, M-Lucario is NOT frail. Close Combat makes him more frail, yes, but...
  19. XY Suspect Testing Round 1 np: Michael Jackson - (extreme)Speed Demon (READ POST #1278)

    Pokemon who's sole purpose is to just set up hazards is not as viable as it used to be. Still viable, yes, but not as effective as last gen or the gen before that. Plus, it's role is not "fulfilled" if its hazards are blown away soon after. There are ways to get around/punish defog and rapid...
  20. XY Suspect Testing Round 1 np: Michael Jackson - (extreme)Speed Demon (READ POST #1278)

    Deoxys-S is still super-fast, but not as fast as it used to be. Prankster Klefki is faster when it comes to setting up screens or spikes. New offensive threats such as Aegislash and Talonflame are faster thanks to their priority. With Thundurus-I and his unbanning, he can use prankster taunt to...
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