I usually have no problem deferring to those who have more DP competitive experience than myself in discussions like this, but many of you are making "arguments" so shaky I could address them in my sleep. I'm going to say this one more time—why is it a big deal to not run SpD EVs on not only a pokemon who can pick and choose which side of the damage spectrum on which it wants to come in, but a pokemon who can actually benefit from taking more damage from special attacks in the few pinches it may have to take them? Who cares if it's OHKOed by Gengar's LO Shadow Ball? That's like remarking that Boah can't OHKO Zapdos, as if Tyranitar can only be a Dragon Dancer with [Rock-type Attack]. It's the easiest thing in the world to just not switch Wobbuffet into known special attackers, which is a ton of pokemon.
...And are completely fucking ignoring the fact that Wobbuffet, statistically broken or not, sucks the fun out of virtually any match he appears in. Surely making a game people want to play should be a goal that supersedes allowing anything that might possibly not be broken?
Don't throw any bullshit answers at me like "So you don't like a Pokemon so we should ban it?", "What about Luvdisc? Nobody likes that either", "Wobbuffet isn't statistically uber so he's being unbanned" etc. I don't care. By the looks of things, nobody cares - except for the people who think that the statistics should be the only factor in whether something is unbanned or not. That's a purely clinical approach, when a more personal one is perhaps required in this case. Even if Wobbuffet isn't statistically broken, I still don't see any reason to unban him because I don't think anyone is on the edge of their seats just waiting to get to use Wobbuffet in OU. Very few people want him, and that should matter most.
Again, to even think that the top people on the shoddy ladder aren't using Wobbuffet to their advantage at least to show how broken it is (and not actually to, you know, maximize their chances of winning, which is the point of the ladder and competitive pokemon first and foremost) is silly. That at once does a way with the "it's not fun" argument—one I and a few other top battlers could have raised for the banishment Dugtrio in Advance but didn't because it's damn silly. "Very few people want him"...talk about "statistics we shouldn't pay attention to"...
Lets see, walls vs tickleffet
There's so much strange logic in this post that I feel compelled to address your points one at a time...
skarmory - just use a shed shell, then you won't fear magnezone either
Another idea would be to give it 24 Spd EVs and/or Taunt as discussed but Shed Shell is valid
bliss - toxic/sing
has to use them pre-emptively every time it is out since it will be slower
bronzong - hypnosis, could be using a shed shell
has to use hypnosis preemptively every time, shed shell is "viable" if you're already terrified of zone
celebi - either has baton pass to escape or leech seed to drain wobba
didn't mention this for a reason though tyra only needs a tickle or two to ohko this likely with no risk thanks to encore
cresselia - why would you bother with wobba instead of going straight to the cb pursuiter?
didn't mention this for a reason though tyra only needs a tickle or two to ohko this likely with no risk thanks to encore
dusknoir- shadow sneak means he can't be outsped, also if wobba comes in on pain split he'll lose a huge chunk of hp.
fine, didn't mention for a reason (counter doesn't work on ghosts so wobby wouldn't be thrilled switching in anyway), though shadow sneak is hardly standard
forretress- might use a shed shell to escape magnezone anyway, can explode on wobba if he outspeeds.
shed shell is "viable", however forry typically has 104 speed and needs 200 Spd EVs and a beneficial Speed nature to outpace Wobby
gliscor- taunt or baton pass
not mentioned for a reason though a considerable number don't have either move if they're actuall walling
hippowdon- yawn (if he predicts)
in the same vein as blissey and bronzong, is it going to yawn every turn?
Jirachi - has u-turn
not mentioned for a reason
magnezone - will probably lose to this, does hit from the special side though
actually viably carries shed shell to escape duggy and only needs 20 more Spd EVs to beat wobby guaranteed and is a noted special attacker, why would wobby come in on this
milotic- hypnosis
wobby wouldn't come in
starmie - surf surf surf
the standard wobby has owned starmie since advance but a 181 Speed one wouldn't care
tentacruel - see starmie
swampert -see starmie
no, it's much slower and must surf on the switch as I outlined in my previous post
vaporeon - blah blah
also slower (166) and must surf or IB preemptively
So most walls can deal with him if they outspeed him, now the ones that don't outspeed at no speed are :
skarmory
blissey
bronzong
forretress
hippowdon
magnezone
Skarm and forretress wouldn't mind a shed shell anyway, wouldn't be too bad on bronzong either.
This means that the end result of this will be either less usage or more speed for:
Blissey - do we really care if this thing is weakened so people might use other special walls? isn't effectively taking out the most effective wall in DP pretty noteworthy
Hippowdon - declining in usage anyway, he'll still set up SS even if he dies This Wobby's likely teammate in Tyra already does that
magnezone - the no spd wobba might have trouble since it can only come in on at most 1 move on any magnezone set Wobby doesn't really care, it already takes out like a dozen good walls
I fail to see how this is really over centralizing.
"On paper" it can pretty easily piss on like half the popular walls in dp with little to no risk to itself, but I guess we'll have to see.
lol you guys are really overreacting.
This same strategy could be employed more effectively (because it doesn't have you using up extra Encore PP) by just using Magnezone. You can similarly trap and kill grounded foes with a Dugtrio. Weavile and Tyranitar already threaten CB Pursuit on a lot of Pokemon.
There's over half a dozen non-steel walls that this would have no trouble neutering. And Weavile and Tyra do already threaten a CB Pursuit on a ton of pokes, however Wobby "makes it a lot easier" to switch them in with little to no risk thanks to Encore and actually OHKO them thanks to Tickle. "Making it a lot easier" has been the enduring argument against Wobbuffet since Advance, and this is just one more way that Wobbuffet opens up holes that otherwise would have been smaller, like attempting a Drum Salac Pass with Smeargle. Both strategies are definitely workable without Wobby, but it makes them so much simpler to pull off.
And finally, you are taking them down one at a time this way, rather than setting up something like a Belly Drum pass. After you Pursuit their Skarmory, they can bring in whatever to take on Tyranitar.
As explained above, Belly Drum Passing is also made easier by Wobbuffet. It doesn't make this "pick off walls one-by-one with little/no risk" strategy any less effective. And this, as with the chaosbreon strategy you also outlined, actually speaks to the whole "Wobbuffet is uber!!!" idea anyway that needs to be proven by smart players employing the strategies to no end on Shoddy...or to the end of "Colin takes it off the ladder because it's finally been proven uber".
Also this won't work on Blissey. Blissey has one major threat to Wobbuffet: Toxic. Blissey used Toxic, good luck "stalling" it, regardless of your moveset.
I'm kind of surprised at this because, as I stated in another reply above, you realize that you're going to have to use Toxic pretty much every turn that Blissey comes out, right? Unless I'm missing something, this limits Blissey considerably, much like Magnezone's already doing it's job even when not used by making Skarmory, Bronzong and Forretress all carry Shed Shell.
All that said, go prove me wrong or something, you guys. Go prove that Wobby does not indeed own seven or eight walls, and it will then likely stay in standard, right? Or go prove that it does and it will likely be banished again. There's only so much words can do on a topic like this (yes, even another certified Jumpman Wall of Words).
