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Agrabah
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Originally Posted by Fat obi
It should be "Speed tie", "Speed tier", and the like. Unless we're directly quoting an entire article, everything is a community created term. We say "Rhyperior's Substitute" and not "rhyperior's substitute", even though no where does Nintendo use that term. Even "Speed stat" is, to my knowledge, a community created term. We're referring to the stat, which is Speed, and as such, it should be capitalized. I'd like to see a single case where "Speed" Isn't used as part of a larger phrase, and in almost all of those cases, Speed is (and should be) capitalized.
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I disagree, "speed tie" should not be capitalized.
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Speed:
1. rapidity in moving, going, traveling, proceeding, or performing; swiftness; celerity: the speed of light; the speed of sound.
2. relative rapidity in moving, going, etc.; rate of motion or progress: full speed ahead.
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The issue here is that even if "Speed" was not a Nintendo created term, the word would still be both relevant and appropriate in many of the cases where it is currently used, such as "speed tie". Competitors in a race sometimes encounter speed ties, as do those involved in many other forms of competition. When one uses the phrase "speed tie" one is arguably referring to a tie in the 'rapidity in moving' of two or more Pokemon, and thus it is perfectly appropriate - and grammatically correct - to leave such a reference fully uncapitalized.
"Speed tier" COULD be capitalized, because it could be referencing a tier comprised based on the Speed stats of the given Pokemon. However, one could also argue that the tier is actually a chart organizing the 'relative rapidity in moving' of each of the tiered Pokemon, in the latter's case, the phrase "speed tier" would also have to be uncapitalized. Obviously I have no way of knowing what the original intended meaning for "speed tier" was, but neither do you (I assume), and as such, it should come down to which is preferred by the community.
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Originally Posted by Fat obi
I haven't seen any compelling reason to not include a space around the em dash. However, I can see a downside. Not having a space makes it look more like a hyphen, as though you are trying to connect each part of the phrase to the word on either end – in fact, your intent is exactly the opposite! The purpose of the em dash is to emphasize a distinction. Using punctuation in a way that looks more connective than distinguishing goes against that. Both ways are attested to, so I'm not propose some wacky punctuation no one will understand.
Even better is a spaced en dash. Em dashes are so big, and then you add spaces around that, and that makes the difference between the phrases a little too big. Spaced en dash is used even more commonly (from what I've read) than a spaced em dash, as well. However, I'm fine with a spaced em or en dash.
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I am not really familiar with the distinction between an em dash and an en dash, because I am on a laptop (no ALT keys) and all I have is a standard hyphen ( - ). However I completely agree with the above two paragraphs. I wasn't too happy about the current rule, enforcing hyphens without a space. As you state yourself, the appeared intent of such a use directly conflicts with what you are actually intending, and it also looks quite messy from the reader's perspective.
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Originally Posted by Fat obi
I would like to propose the following changes to how we address generations:
We currently have:
RB / RBY
GS / GSC
RS / ADV / RSE / RSFRLGE
DP / DPP / DPPt / DPPHGSS / DPPtHGSS
It's fine for the first three, because we can find a way to standardize it to 3-letter abbreviations for everything. However, there is no easy way to do that in the current generation (and no guarantee that we will be able to in the future). When we talk of the current generation, the shortest catch-all is DPPHGSS, as DPP could mean just Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, and DP could be Diamond and Pearl. As you can tell from the list, the quantity of abbreviations seems to grow with more generations (as they make more games, many of which require multiple letters). As such, I propose the following extensible, easy method (which I have started using myself) to refer to every game in a particular generation.
Gen 1, Gen 2, Gen 3, Gen 4, etc.
Gen 4, for instance, would be taken to mean "the set of everything in the current generation that is part of 'standard' play". That would mean everything in Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, Soul Silver, whatever events there are (if we decide to continue allowing event Pokemon), whatever "Stadium" games they make, etc. It's basically a catch-all for saying what we actually mean.
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I also agree with this. I myself have considered suggesting "DS1" as the 4th gen equivalent to "ADV", and "DS2" as the equivalent for the upcoming generation... but regardless your proposal looks cleaner, is obviously more consistent, and is guaranteed to work in the future, no matter how many generations we end up having.
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Originally posted by mfair4d
I don't think salamence should be moved to uber.
Recently a mence switched into me when i was using icebeam and bam down before it could move.
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