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With my set I like to call 'RainDDMence', I find a way to fit Salamence into a rain team. He's the best Sun check out there, and under rain he can OHKO Gliscor and 2HKO Skarmory on the switch, and because he's Adamant LO, I get a guaranteed OHKO on Jellicent and CM Reuniclus. He holds a very important Fighting resistence, and the reason I used him over Dragonite is mainly the extra offencive power (because of Life Orb), but also the fact that I'm often switching him in to Fighting moves, which would wreck Dragonite's MultiScale. He finds many opportunities to set up these days, including but not limited to: Infernape (without HP Ice), most Scizor sets, Gengar, and even Heatran. Roost gives him survivability, and helps him with switching into Fighting moves, while Earthquake can hit Ferrothorn and Jirachi. This really adds to the uniqueness of the team, and the fact that I like Salamence (both competitively and aethetically) really helped seal his very important spot.




Ferrothorn is a blessing and a curse for rain teams, because of its most exploitable weakness is halved. Its amazing defencive stats allow it to take nothing from even a strong Hidden Power [Fire], making it a great Latios check, and spreading paralysis is very helpful for Latios. Stealth Rock and Spikes is very helpful for the team wear down everything, and stops a lot of switching, and he even has a great 180BP STAB move to deal a ton of damage to anything. He is my go-to for Latios and numerous other Pokemon like Salamence and Dragonite, and Paralyzes them in return, them switches to something to take the Fighting or Fire attack (normally Latios so he can smash them with Dragon Pulse). To finish, Ferrothorn has the top spot for a reason, and is a must-have for any rain team.








Ferrothorn and Gastrodon make a good defencive core, and they can both do a lot of damage with their STAB moves. Sometimes Scald conflicts with Thunder Wave, but 180BP is still amazingly powerful, especially with a Storm Drain boost. He is my main Thundurus check and can wall about every Special attacker in the game, including (but not limited to) Latios, Thundurus, Rotom, Starmie and Magnezone. I use Memento because... well, I actually have no idea. Toxic never worked for me, Clear Smog only has one use (CM Reuniclus), and Ice Beam is too weak. At least Memento can help with my U-Turn and Volt Switch spamming and it helps my Salamence set up, because if he gets proper set up, he can quite easily sweep whole teams.








Problems: I have a large Fighting weakness, to the type and the entire group because of it



Thanks for reading, and feel free to suggest anything

Well I would reccomend A bulkier politoed, maybe 252 spdef and 252 hp. Also a special attacking dragonite with hurricane and thunder, both of which are at full acuracy in the rain. Now you may want to take out either celebi or starmie (reccomend celebi) And add another wall. Maybe a ground type to take any electric attack. Swampert could be helpful taking any water boost or electric attack your opponent might want to use because rain is up. Or even better, gastrodon, which get's a boost from any water attack, with storm drain, and gastro gets recover.

not changing toed or dnite, I need starmie, and swampert isn't good anymore, although i will test it, thanks. I stand corrected

Once Thundurus comes in, something is going to die, since you can't really switch into it safely - your best bet is to send in Ferrothorn on Thunderbolt and then to pivot into Starmie on Focus Blast, but Star's bulk leaves something to be desired and this trick won't work more than once, especially if Thund is running a Substitute set. You said yourself that Celebi felt like the most replaceable member, so I'd try a Gastrodon in its place. It counters Thundurus to hell and back (its light weight guards against Grass Knot), helps you defeat other rain teams, and maintains your solid Rotom-W counter.

Gastrodon @ Leftovers | Calm | Storm Drain | EVs: 252 HP / 16 SpA / 240 SpD
Scald | Ice Beam | Toxic / Earth Power | Recover

Whether you make this change or not, try Scarf Politoed over your Specs set. This will give you a much bulkier revenge killer than Starmie to many top threats like Thundurus and Terrakion, but its main advantage over the starfish is its ability to change the weather, which is crucial against Chlorophyll sweepers and Scarf Tyranitar. Make sure to use a Timid nature so you can outspeed sun teams' Dugtrio; with multiple hazards, the loss of power isn't too noticeable. Good luck with your team!

ok ill certainly test thanx BKC

Not much of a rate, but I'd like to note that you dont have any user of stealth rocks on your team. I think all teams NEED sr atm because of all the multiscale dnite running around.
One could come in late game after ferra is gone, and just sweep you w/o you even being able to do damage to it.

Otherwise, eventhough I love rotom-w in rain, great team.

Okay first off you need SR. Drop spikes on Ferro for that. If you want you can drop Leech seed and run Spikes too, but you can't have all 3. Also, consider running a 252 hp / 252 sp. def as that will at least allow you to somewhat cope with thundurus without a boost. I would also highly recommend that you drop Celebi for the Gastrodon spread recommended above as it does everything you want from Celebi and a bit more.

Finally, just a suggestion. Try running a Choice Scarf Gyarados with moxie. Rain boost + scarf basically acts as a free Dragon Dance, and Waterfall gets STAB so you're really coming off the start with a +2 Atk and +1 Spe which is always nice. After each successive kill your atk increases one stage, once it's on a role it's nearly impossible. With this set, it's kind of a psuedo Thundurus check too (unless they have T-wave).

Gyarados @ Choice Scarf | Jolly | Moxie | EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Waterfall |Stone Edge | Earthquake | Frustration or really any move you want here.

If you do this you can also try running a Nasty Plot Celebi in that last slot. Giga Drain / Earth Power / Recover or HP Fire depending on how whatever you prefer. Just a few suggestions.

Hope any of these help.

Hey,

I second BKC' suggestion of a specially defensive Gastrodon over Celebi, it definitely helps in patching up your huge weakness to Thundurus. It also is a mighty help against sandstorm teams, giving you a hard counter to Rotom-W, which most SS teams carry as their only rain check. Scarf Politoed over your current one is also a good choice, it gives you a solid revenge killer to SD Excadrill, and you could definitely use a back up check to DDers such as Dragonite and Gyarados. Replace Focus Blast with Perish Song in order to deal with bulky stat-uppers such as CM Latias and Reuniclus. Focus Blast does pitiful damage without Specs, even against targets such as Ferrothorn, who it hits super-effectively. Also replace Surf with a Hidden Power type for coverage, preferably HP Grass to hit Gastrodon or Electric for Gyarados.

You currently have nothing that can survive two hits from a Specs Tornadus, since Ferrothorn and Gastrodon are both 2HKOed. You also have no form of priority, something that could really come back to hurt you when you struggle to finish off speed boosting sweepers. So, I'd suggest trying out a CB Dragonite over your current set. Using a CB set will aid you in breaking down stall teams, and its powerful priority in ExtremeSpeed will be a life saver against offensive teams. Waterfall hits very hard with a CB boost under rain, doing a ton of damage to both Gliscor and Skarmory, and alleviates the need for Dragon Claw since a rain-boosted Waterfall does just as much. I would recommend reserving the last slot for Superpower to for destroy Blissey and Ferrothorn, but you can also go with Earthquake to hit Jirachi and Heatran harder. This set doesn't need too much speed since it relies mostly on raw power, so you can max out attack with an Adamant nature. You can put EVs into bulk and speed as you wish.

I also second running SR over Leech Seed on Ferrothorn, it really helps against Thundurus and removes the effect of Dragonite's Multiscale. Good luck!

Ok, I'm using gastrodon full stop. it is amazing, really underappreciated. I changed Politoed's set, I'm using taunt on gyara (Sorry SoT, i tried scarf gyara and it didn't really work).
Also IB93 i'll test out CB nite. I'll really miss the freedom, and the ability to sweep whole teams, but i will test

Thanks for the rates guys

Politoad may have issues taking on T-Tar.

It's not nessasary scince you have other pokes that can, but it would surprise people to see their precious T-Tar get killed by Politoad while the sand is up. This is a really good team GL.

fatsnorlax said:

Politoad may have issues taking on T-Tar.

T-Tar killer

Politoad @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252hp/252def/4SDef
-Toxic
-Scald
-Ice Beam
-Perish Song

Politoad can beat pretty much any of the other weather leads one on one by stalling them with toxic. If they try to set up just Perish Song. Scald is a STAB that has a chance to burn, and Ice Beam kills dragons.

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It's not nessasary scince you have other pokes that can, but it would surprise people to see their precious T-Tar get killed by Politoad while the sand is up. This is a really good team GL.

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I need scarf politoed, but thanks for the rate

Aeromence said:

I need scarf politoed, but thanks for the rate

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You're welcome(: As for D-Nite, I'd sugggest Brick Break over Waterfall to deal with Ferrothorn.

Hey there. Solid team. Couple things though:

Taunt Gyarados really doesn't work as well in the metagame as it did last gen, so I would change it to an all out attacking Life Orb set.
LO Gyarados

This thing hits so hard it's insane. Moxie punishes the opponent for using death fodder to try and stop this thing, and with Life Orb and rain, it hits really hard even without any boosts. Ice Fang destroys dragons such as Salamence and Dragonite; Return is the preferred option in the last slot, as not only is it's base power 2 points higher than that of Earthquake's, but it allows Gyarados to hit Rotom-W harder. Steels are not that big of a problem due to rain boosting the power of Waterfall.

Since Ferrothorn is a big problem for this Gyarados, definitely keep Brick Break over Waterfall on Dragonite. Leftovers should be used over Lum Berry, as since it is not an all-out attacking set, it would be easier for the opponent to status Dragonite twice (compared to if Dragonite was an all out attacking set). Leftovers also increases survivability in general.

Good Luck.

TheMasterOfOz said:

Hey there. Solid team. Couple things though:

Taunt Gyarados really doesn't work as well in the metagame as it did last gen, so I would change it to an all out attacking Life Orb set.
LO Gyarados

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Ryujin (Gyarados) (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Speed
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Return / Earthquake
- Ice Fang

This thing hits so hard it's insane. Moxie punishes the opponent for using death fodder to try and stop this thing, and with Life Orb and rain, it hits really hard even without any boosts. Ice Fang destroys dragons such as Salamence and Dragonite; Return is the preferred option in the last slot, as not only is it's base power 2 points higher than that of Earthquake's, but it allows Gyarados to hit Rotom-W harder. Steels are not that big of a problem due to rain boosting the power of Waterfall.

Since Ferrothorn is a big problem for this Gyarados, definitely keep Brick Break over Waterfall on Dragonite. Leftovers should be used over Lum Berry, as since it is not an all-out attacking set, it would be easier for the opponent to status Dragonite twice (compared to if Dragonite was an all out attacking set). Leftovers also increases survivability in general.

Good Luck.

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It isn't fast enough this meta, and taunt still works well. I'm thinking of putting substitute over it to abuse Ferrothorn's Twave. Thanks for the rate though

bump. i still need more suggestions for gyarados' last move. Also i'm still testing CB dragonite, but it can't have multiscale with superpower. is that a problem or should I just use Brick break?

Oh well in that case stick with brick break or earthquake. Multiscale is too useful to pass up, even if you can only use it once with cb.

I just had a really funny idea: Specs Kingdra. Yeah no swift swim, but it still has no real safe switch-ins. It has decent speed and excellent dual STABs. I really have no idea how that came to mind, but Im gonna test it over dnite and starmie (then replace ferro with forry) anyway, just tell me what you think

Edit: Tested over Gyara. Works better. beat a few people over 1400ish thinking Kingdra was dd or somethin. I might even call it a gimmicky thing to do, but It is so good. Spamming Hydro Pumps and Draco meteors is fun. I'm still not sure, tell me what you think :)

Edit 2: I think im getting a bit carried away with kingdra, but i also tested dd kingdra. with it's 180 power waterfall and nice coverage makes it very sexy. tell me what you think! do you think I should stop saying tell me what you think? tell me what you think :)

Hey there Aeromence, about that Kingdra thing.
I think it's a very good idea you replaced Gyarados with it. Kingdra is a great poke with only one weakness. It's annoying that good ability can't be used as you have the Toad in your team. I suggest you use your first choice, Specs Kingdra. That's because you've already got Dnite as your 'Physical Dragon', whilst you can have SpecsDra (personally i hate choice items, but kingdra doesnt get nice stuff like... Quiver Dance xD) who can wreak Dragon-type damage on the Special side. Draco Meteor+Hydro Pump+Dragon Pulse+Ice Beam is what I used to run when I used Kingdra. It's a cool poke who seems to fit alright in the team.

Also, consider changing Brick Break for Earthquake on Dnite, as you lack a ground-type move. You may also want to give Dnite Outrage+Lum Berry; I used it often, and it worked very well, as Roost already takes you back to MultiScale area without really needing Lefties.

For now, that's all. If you seek a bulkier Spinner, pick Tentacruel over Starmie.

GL,

Cap'n

Hi!

You have a good Rain archetype team here. The main thing I see is the lack of Priority, which can be resolved by changing your Dragonite set to:

Dragonite @ Lum Berry / Leftovers
Multiscale
Adamant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Dragon Claw
~ Extremespeed
~ Fire Punch / Earthquake

This will give you a great +2 priority in Extremespeed, and allow you to check Mynicroak, Tornadus, and many others that are not available with the Bulky DD Nite set. I really suggest running Lum Berry on this Dragonite, as many see this and try to paralyze it, and with Lum, they have essentially wasted a turn of you free to DD or get a 2HKO as you wish.

Some relatively uncommon things like Scarf Landorus, or Double Dance Terrakion might give you problems, not needing SS up to function, so I would actually suggest a Gliscor over Gyarados.

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Poison Heal
Impish
EVs: 244 HP / 176 Def / 88 Spd
~ Swords Dance
~ Protect
~ Earthquake
~ Ice Fang

The given EVs will allow you to get maximum Poison Heal recovery, allow you to outspeed 244 speed pocket monsters and put you in a great position for Rain vs. Sandstorm endgames.

Good Luck!

Captain Dragan said:

Hey there Aeromence, about that Kingdra thing.
I think it's a very good idea you replaced Gyarados with it. Kingdra is a great poke with only one weakness. It's annoying that good ability can't be used as you have the Toad in your team. I suggest you use your first choice, Specs Kingdra. That's because you've already got Dnite as your 'Physical Dragon', whilst you can have SpecsDra (personally i hate choice items, but kingdra doesnt get nice stuff like... Quiver Dance xD) who can wreak Dragon-type damage on the Special side. Draco Meteor+Hydro Pump+Dragon Pulse+Ice Beam is what I used to run when I used Kingdra. It's a cool poke who seems to fit alright in the team.

Also, consider changing Brick Break for Earthquake on Dnite, as you lack a ground-type move. You may also want to give Dnite Outrage+Lum Berry; I used it often, and it worked very well, as Roost already takes you back to MultiScale area without really needing Lefties.

For now, that's all. If you seek a bulkier Spinner, pick Tentacruel over Starmie.

GL,

Cap'n

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I'm fine with starmie, but I'm thinking I might go all dual dragon with dd kingdra and band dragonite. I'm gonna update with band dnite later. still not sure about kingdra or gyara, but im sure a lot of testing will do the trick

San_Pellegrino said:

Hi!

You have a good Rain archetype team here. The main thing I see is the lack of Priority, which can be resolved by changing your Dragonite set to:

Dragonite @ Lum Berry / Leftovers
Multiscale
Adamant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Dragon Claw
~ Extremespeed
~ Fire Punch / Earthquake

This will give you a great +2 priority in Extremespeed, and allow you to check Mynicroak, Tornadus, and many others that are not available with the Bulky DD Nite set. I really suggest running Lum Berry on this Dragonite, as many see this and try to paralyze it, and with Lum, they have essentially wasted a turn of you free to DD or get a 2HKO as you wish.

Some relatively uncommon things like Scarf Landorus, or Double Dance Terrakion might give you problems, not needing SS up to function, so I would actually suggest a Gliscor over Gyarados.

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Poison Heal
Impish
EVs: 244 HP / 176 Def / 88 Spd
~ Swords Dance
~ Protect
~ Earthquake
~ Ice Fang

The given EVs will allow you to get maximum Poison Heal recovery, allow you to outspeed 244 speed pocket monsters and put you in a great position for Rain vs. Sandstorm endgames.

Good Luck!

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I'm using band dragonite (still has priority) and I like the idea of gliscor, but I really can't fit it in over something that doesn't do the same thing.

Thanks for the rates guys

I also quite like kingdra, but I'm not sure what set. I am using it over gyara, but I'm not sure whether to use choice specs, ChestoRest dd, Mixed DD, or Sub DD, or even Yawn DD. Lots of DD

Bumpin. need more options and slashes determined

I think ChestoResto Kingdra is the best set for it, bt not necessarily the best for your team. Give it a try though;

Kingdra @ Chesto Berry
Adamant, 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe OR 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Rest
-Waterfall
-Outrage

To explain the EV's in HP, i saw someone use it on Youtube and it helps to make you a bit more bulky, but doesn't make you necessarily slower, as you have DD to make you faster. Waterfall and Outrage for obvious STAB, Rest is key for the strategy.

GL,
Cap'n

I have used chestorest kingdra, and that's nothing like the normal spread. thanks anyway

anyway, I could also use superpower and inner focus, then replace starmie with SubCM Jirachi or Rotom-W, or even CM Virizion

Bump. I might be reconsidering my spinner, (like, i might put in a forry ro tentacruel or something) I'm also not sure about Gastrodon's spread. I need a spread to: not be 2hkod by +2 Thunderbro Focus Blast or scarf latios, have enough physical bulk to wall a bit more than he does now, and still remain a good offencive presence even without a Storm Drain boost. If that's possible, I'd love to hear about it.

Also still not 100% sure about Toed. thanx

Aeromence said:

Bump. I might be reconsidering my spinner, (like, i might put in a forry ro tentacruel or something) I'm also not sure about Gastrodon's spread. I need a spread to: not be 2hkod by +2 Thunderbro Focus Blast or scarf latios, have enough physical bulk to wall a bit more than he does now, and still remain a good offencive presence even without a Storm Drain boost. If that's possible, I'd love to hear about it.

Also still not 100% sure about Toed. thanx

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