Cause their predecessor was suspicious? seems like decent logic imo...
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Cause their predecessor was suspicious? seems like decent logic imo...
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I do think that nEsp's post was a bit scummy. Not due to posting styles, but because he didn't add anything that we didn't already know. He basically just summarized UncleSam's posts. I assume it's because he wanted to post something so he wouldn't be seen as an active lurker. I especially believe this due to his subbing out. He had all that time to make the large post he made, but he couldn't add any opinions? Seems awfully suspect.
Okay this thread is a lot denser then i thought. And please people only quote the relevant aspect of what you're talking about when quoting... it makes it easier for someone like a SUB to see exactly where you're pinpointing.
I haven't finished reading the thread, i do need to do some things today in a timely manner. However i understand you guys clearly need a post from someone with the same role pm as nEsp atm, so I'll give my thoughts so far, trying to stay decently relevant.
While this brings up a good points with decent logical conclusions, this does very little in convincing me you aren't mafia. Given your active nature and tl;dr post style, it would be inevitable that at some point you WOULD be leading a lynch on someone, whether or not you are mafia or village. Acting any differently would get you pinned for, well, acting differently then you normally do in mafia games.
In fact, even if quags flips mafia i'm not sure i'd be convinced of your village alignment. If you were to be mafia, this would put you on a much lower priority to be inspected, allowing you to keep on keeping on. Yes, a D1 mafia lynch would make me much less suspicious, but i would still have my doubts, especially if he flips a weak role.
I haven't formed solid opinions about people yet as i haven't gotten a chance to read through everything. But, as hard as it may be, we do need to lynch someone today. I apologize if i have been reiterating other peoples thoughts, I'll have more information to go off of for my next post later today.
I haven't finished reading the thread, i do need to do some things today in a timely manner. However i understand you guys clearly need a post from someone with the same role pm as nEsp atm, so I'll give my thoughts so far, trying to stay decently relevant.
US said:
While this brings up a good points with decent logical conclusions, this does very little in convincing me you aren't mafia. Given your active nature and tl;dr post style, it would be inevitable that at some point you WOULD be leading a lynch on someone, whether or not you are mafia or village. Acting any differently would get you pinned for, well, acting differently then you normally do in mafia games.
In fact, even if quags flips mafia i'm not sure i'd be convinced of your village alignment. If you were to be mafia, this would put you on a much lower priority to be inspected, allowing you to keep on keeping on. Yes, a D1 mafia lynch would make me much less suspicious, but i would still have my doubts, especially if he flips a weak role.
Sam the man said:
I want to note that I DO NOT WANT TO lynch UNCLE SAM for D1. It would be ridiculous to get rid of such an active person this early in the game. Unless we have some seriously good evidence to suggest he's mafia, I'd keep him around for a little while. And most good evidence comes with a cardflip anyways. I would say that his act of discrediting you was more a feeble attempt to say something about you (as a very active person you're an easy target to talk about, like for me right now!)Blue twister said:
While i'm not nEsp, i am the one that has to speak on his behave. I would say that given his "low" post count that he hasn't found a concrete style of responding yet and wanted to try out another format. Conversely, i would argue that a format change or difference in responding would be bizarre for a veteran (like my US point above). I think the important part is that in this game, most players posts are giant and filled with rageful amounts of content. I would say that his post style was an attempt to make his posts as forceful as others, to try and promote more discussion and be a good villager. And seeing as he was getting called out for not posting (which he says is due to irl stuff listed) and understanding he was going to get subbed out, perhaps he was trying to make my life (his subs) a little easier. Kinda blew up in his face if it was hahabird call said:
I haven't formed solid opinions about people yet as i haven't gotten a chance to read through everything. But, as hard as it may be, we do need to lynch someone today. I apologize if i have been reiterating other peoples thoughts, I'll have more information to go off of for my next post later today.
Any specific reason why people are dismissing my questions entirely?
Yeti, I asked for your non-Sam reads that aren't based solely off of assumptions and/or logic. I also questioned why you are not voting.
Yeti, I asked for your non-Sam reads that aren't based solely off of assumptions and/or logic. I also questioned why you are not voting.
Could you give your opinion on whether or not either Quagsires or Leethoof would be a good lynch today? If neither of them, who else would be a good lynch? (THIS IS DIRECTED AT EMPOOF)
I'll be honest, I'm starting to get tired of this. I've pretty much called out everyone in the game at some point and I feel like I am going in circles calling out the same idler/suspicious persons base asking for opinions, and at this point people are just repeating shit and rarely bringing anything original to the table. Maybe if others started pushing the discussion more new things would pop up (BILLYMILLS, CRUX, YETI, OTHERS), but at this point I would like to settle on a lynch target and move on. I'm sure someone will read this as me trying to end the day "prematurely" but let's be honest, everyone (including me) is getting tired of reading my posts and no one else is stepping up to direct discussion except Blue_Tornado occasionally, everyone else is just posting whenever something random occurs to them or I call them out. We have already surpassed the record for longest first day in Smogon Mafia history (post-wise), and don't see much of a reason to drag this out much longer.
That being said, Snike, MK Ultra, Metal Bagon, Kaxtar, and a few others need to post way more. Crux was being active a while back but he hasn't posted in a while, I'd like him to post some more as well.
I'd also like people to start voting if possible. If you really don't have any lynch-worthy suspicions I guess I'd ask that you give your reasons why and who you are most suspicious of.
Unless other people want this day to last longer, and think that more discussion is warranted? I DO want to hear more from Quagsires, but frankly there is only so long I think we should wait for him to post ANOTHER sub-par defense.
Basically I am tired of promoting discussion and think that this is going no where for the most part.
All that being said, I wouldn't want the day to end right now because as I mentioned above, we still need to hear more from a few people at the least to get the most out of this day. I am just posting this because I think it is time to start seriously considering ending the day, and if I bring it up now the day won't end for probably another day irl time/50ish posts at the very least, at which time I think we will be good to move on to Day 2.
Finally, me bringing this up will hopefully spark some new discussion which we desperately need because things seem really stagnant at the moment in my opinion.
I'll be honest, I'm starting to get tired of this. I've pretty much called out everyone in the game at some point and I feel like I am going in circles calling out the same idler/suspicious persons base asking for opinions, and at this point people are just repeating shit and rarely bringing anything original to the table. Maybe if others started pushing the discussion more new things would pop up (BILLYMILLS, CRUX, YETI, OTHERS), but at this point I would like to settle on a lynch target and move on. I'm sure someone will read this as me trying to end the day "prematurely" but let's be honest, everyone (including me) is getting tired of reading my posts and no one else is stepping up to direct discussion except Blue_Tornado occasionally, everyone else is just posting whenever something random occurs to them or I call them out. We have already surpassed the record for longest first day in Smogon Mafia history (post-wise), and don't see much of a reason to drag this out much longer.
That being said, Snike, MK Ultra, Metal Bagon, Kaxtar, and a few others need to post way more. Crux was being active a while back but he hasn't posted in a while, I'd like him to post some more as well.
I'd also like people to start voting if possible. If you really don't have any lynch-worthy suspicions I guess I'd ask that you give your reasons why and who you are most suspicious of.
Unless other people want this day to last longer, and think that more discussion is warranted? I DO want to hear more from Quagsires, but frankly there is only so long I think we should wait for him to post ANOTHER sub-par defense.
Basically I am tired of promoting discussion and think that this is going no where for the most part.
All that being said, I wouldn't want the day to end right now because as I mentioned above, we still need to hear more from a few people at the least to get the most out of this day. I am just posting this because I think it is time to start seriously considering ending the day, and if I bring it up now the day won't end for probably another day irl time/50ish posts at the very least, at which time I think we will be good to move on to Day 2.
Finally, me bringing this up will hopefully spark some new discussion which we desperately need because things seem really stagnant at the moment in my opinion.
While he didn't explicitly say it, BT seems to have slightly misunderstood my previous sentiment. I'm not saying that anyone who wishes not to lynch Quagsires immediately is scum. I'm saying that if we are going to change to another user, it has to be because of Quagsires adequately explaining himself (which he has attempted to do, albeit unsatisfactorily), and presenting a new target with reasoning behind his vote, so we have real info from him while he is pressured.
I'm not out for Quagsires's blood, and I'm fully open to the non-zero chance that my Day 1 read on Quagsires isn't 100% accurate. I want to make sure that (if we leave Quagsires for some other lynch) we leave Quagsires because we think Quagsires isn't mafia, not just because there was some other option.
I'm not out for Quagsires's blood, and I'm fully open to the non-zero chance that my Day 1 read on Quagsires isn't 100% accurate. I want to make sure that (if we leave Quagsires for some other lynch) we leave Quagsires because we think Quagsires isn't mafia, not just because there was some other option.
Overreaction much...Crux said:
There's daggers in men's smiles, or Jegus <SNIP> Sam Lemme Post
Ok, so I'm back from the depths of AP, and I will take my damn time making a post that I find adequate.
Just going to deal with the Ditto issue first (this is post 10, Yeti), in I think he's decent lynch target due to the suicide trait (not helpful to anyone) but not the best lynch target. I would still prefer a lynch on some of the other individuals, like Brammi (How do you not think about a persuader when someone literally posted on hour before you post to respond to a later post, claiming persuaded?), or Leethoof (Mr. Let's repeat arguments from pages ago, shall we?). Herr Call tried to 'call' me out on active lurking, when, aside from this hour or so I've spent trying to make this post, I haven't seen the thread since Wednesday, so I'm skeptical about him.
I'm not quite sure what to think about Quagsires, as while on one hand his argument's extremely frail, on the other hand I believe that there are far scummier targets, such as my aforementioned ones. The fact that there appears to be a push to lynch him is also concerning.
I believe I was supposed to provide some opinions on zorbees, yeti, and aska, as well, so that's next. I believe Zorbees is town sided by gut, and I don't really take offense to the prodding from him. Yeti is shaping up to be one of those players I can't really get read on, in that I THINK she's town-sided based on some of her contributions, but I'm not confident on it. As for aska, I can understand his sentiment of wanting to extract information from Quags, but I honestly believe that he isn't the best lynch today. In other words, I think aska's a bit misguided.
Now onto a quote response.
The last thing that I'd like to note is that I'm skeptical of billymills and B_T for trying to provide some cover for Brammi. It doesn't come across as buddying, but I am not really getting a good vibe for it. This might be tunnel-speak, however.
Ok, so I'm back from the depths of AP, and I will take my damn time making a post that I find adequate.
Just going to deal with the Ditto issue first (this is post 10, Yeti), in I think he's decent lynch target due to the suicide trait (not helpful to anyone) but not the best lynch target. I would still prefer a lynch on some of the other individuals, like Brammi (How do you not think about a persuader when someone literally posted on hour before you post to respond to a later post, claiming persuaded?), or Leethoof (Mr. Let's repeat arguments from pages ago, shall we?). Herr Call tried to 'call' me out on active lurking, when, aside from this hour or so I've spent trying to make this post, I haven't seen the thread since Wednesday, so I'm skeptical about him.
I'm not quite sure what to think about Quagsires, as while on one hand his argument's extremely frail, on the other hand I believe that there are far scummier targets, such as my aforementioned ones. The fact that there appears to be a push to lynch him is also concerning.
I believe I was supposed to provide some opinions on zorbees, yeti, and aska, as well, so that's next. I believe Zorbees is town sided by gut, and I don't really take offense to the prodding from him. Yeti is shaping up to be one of those players I can't really get read on, in that I THINK she's town-sided based on some of her contributions, but I'm not confident on it. As for aska, I can understand his sentiment of wanting to extract information from Quags, but I honestly believe that he isn't the best lynch today. In other words, I think aska's a bit misguided.
Now onto a quote response.
I immediately note the intimidating use of bold and italics in tandem, and react accordingly. Believe me, Sam, I am trembling in my fictitious baby seal-skinned galoshes. That being said, I think you may be blowing my inactivity out of proportion, so I'd ask that you not say 'immediately stopped contributing' when I did post a bit 50 posts more or less after the last serious threat on my life occurred. I do acknowledge that my activity yesterday was nonexistent, and apologize for struggling under a new semester of secondary education.
The last thing that I'd like to note is that I'm skeptical of billymills and B_T for trying to provide some cover for Brammi. It doesn't come across as buddying, but I am not really getting a good vibe for it. This might be tunnel-speak, however.
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Vote Count
Quagsires (7) - kingofkongs, UncleSam, askaninjask, zorbees, Blue_Tornado, billymills, Paperblade
Metal Bagon (2) - TalkingLion, Rediamond
No Lynch (1) - wickdaggler
UncleSam (1) - Leethoof
wickdaggler (1) - Metal Bagon
Blue_Tornado (1) - Crux
Brammi (1) - Snike
TalkingLion (1) - Kaxtar
Leethoof (1) - Jalmont
Quagsires (7) - kingofkongs, UncleSam, askaninjask, zorbees, Blue_Tornado, billymills, Paperblade
Metal Bagon (2) - TalkingLion, Rediamond
No Lynch (1) - wickdaggler
UncleSam (1) - Leethoof
wickdaggler (1) - Metal Bagon
Blue_Tornado (1) - Crux
Brammi (1) - Snike
TalkingLion (1) - Kaxtar
Leethoof (1) - Jalmont
Vote: zorbees
unclesam sucks cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooock
I have just gone through the first 200 posts and charted who defends/attacks/questions/votes who.
Category: People UncleSam Attacks is by far the largest single cell chunk I have ever seen.
As such, my conclusions are:
IF one of US/Brammi/TL flips mafia, I think it is likely the other two will too, however there is a stronger connection between US and TL than Brammi and TL.
IF one of billy/zorbees/BT flips mafia, it is likely the other two will as well.
This does not apply for the reverse (if one flips villy). I also think if one of these three trios starts flipping mafia, the other is village.
These users seem quickest to agree/bandwagon each other, or at least focus their attacks on the same people and don't conflict with each other. US also goes after BT and zorbees more than other people, notably common posters.
In addition, US is very particular about when anyone agrees with him - reviewing, I noticed he almost always will lash out and demand a better explanation/tell whoever to not buddy, when he feels like he is being buddied. That is almost wolf-life behavior, but he would have to be a highly paranoid wolf to overreact at being clumped in with anyone he himself is supicious of, and that seems out of character.
Quagsires has still not provided a very good explanation for any of his actions. I feel like a mafia would do this, because mafia's small numbers give them the most to lose. However, maybe Quag is simply an unhelpful inactive twat.
I have just gone through the first 200 posts and charted who defends/attacks/questions/votes who.
Category: People UncleSam Attacks is by far the largest single cell chunk I have ever seen.
As such, my conclusions are:
IF one of US/Brammi/TL flips mafia, I think it is likely the other two will too, however there is a stronger connection between US and TL than Brammi and TL.
IF one of billy/zorbees/BT flips mafia, it is likely the other two will as well.
This does not apply for the reverse (if one flips villy). I also think if one of these three trios starts flipping mafia, the other is village.
These users seem quickest to agree/bandwagon each other, or at least focus their attacks on the same people and don't conflict with each other. US also goes after BT and zorbees more than other people, notably common posters.
In addition, US is very particular about when anyone agrees with him - reviewing, I noticed he almost always will lash out and demand a better explanation/tell whoever to not buddy, when he feels like he is being buddied. That is almost wolf-life behavior, but he would have to be a highly paranoid wolf to overreact at being clumped in with anyone he himself is supicious of, and that seems out of character.
Quagsires has still not provided a very good explanation for any of his actions. I feel like a mafia would do this, because mafia's small numbers give them the most to lose. However, maybe Quag is simply an unhelpful inactive twat.
Well ya I've pressured pretty much everyone at one point or another in order to stir the pot. And uh I'm sorry I don't like being buddied, but it seems like a big scum tell to me when people buddy someone who is perceived as helpful to the town (As in, I don't like it when a few users say "ya let's trust X" or "I think X is being helpful" then suddenly random people start agreeing with X). But uh sorry for demanding better explanations from everyone I guess? It seems to me like if I WEREN'T demanding better explanations from the people agreeing with me you would call me a hypocrite, so I'm really not sure what kind of impossible standard you are holding me to here...
Also I haven't gone after zorbees in a LONG time, and never once voted for him OR Blue_Tornado. I don't understand why you think I go after them moreso than like Quagsires or Star Call/jalmont.
Also I don't understand why you think me/Brammi/TalkingLion are likely to be mafia partners. I mean Brammi and TalkingLion have both buddied me in the past, but I have pointed out each time they have done so and pushed them for better explanations.
Finally, that sheet sounds like something that it might be helpful for everyone to see and draw their own conclusions from. Question to the hosts: If Yeti makes this a public spreadsheet, could she link it here for everyone to see? It is technically outside this thread, but if there is a link in this thread and everyone has access to it it seems to me to be in the spirit of the game (kind of like how wickdaggler linked to a youtube video).
Of course Yeti would have to agree to let everyone see this sheet as well. Yeti?
lol
So I think the most important question that needs answering is;
Is US highly egotistical, or is he scared of something?
Because those are literally the only two options. If it is the first he is null, if it the second he is most definitely not town.
So I think the most important question that needs answering is;
Is US highly egotistical, or is he scared of something?
Because those are literally the only two options. If it is the first he is null, if it the second he is most definitely not town.
I will address your concerns w/ my views after I eat.
For now,
(o 3:56:39 pm o) <Yeti> i presume i can't post it itt as view-only tho
(o 3:56:50 pm o) <Walrein> no you may not
(o 3:56:54 pm o) <Yeti> k
Although I am not QUITE sure what the point is as I could just as easily copy everything ON the sheet into the thread.......
eta I would be entirely willing to post my sheet, though it may be 'subjective' or whatever to what I felt was a notable attack, defense, actual serious antagonism etc.
I don't see what the harm is in posting view-only sheets that compile our views on other players, as it would streamline this thread and perhaps look a BIT more presentable than bulleted posts or w/e, but, it is technically outside the thread viewing so I can see why it would not be available for posting.
Frankly I just made it for myself b/c I am forgetting a lot of what's been going on and it was helpful to look back. Also, US, as I said I made it to post 200 before my eyes started bleeding, so, you claim you haven't gone after zorbees in a while, but, this post here is #370, which means as many back I haven't read through. I do not claim you have voted them, merely that you have questioned their posts/motives/contributions strongly enough to warrant taking note of.
For now,
(o 3:56:39 pm o) <Yeti> i presume i can't post it itt as view-only tho
(o 3:56:50 pm o) <Walrein> no you may not
(o 3:56:54 pm o) <Yeti> k
Although I am not QUITE sure what the point is as I could just as easily copy everything ON the sheet into the thread.......
eta I would be entirely willing to post my sheet, though it may be 'subjective' or whatever to what I felt was a notable attack, defense, actual serious antagonism etc.
I don't see what the harm is in posting view-only sheets that compile our views on other players, as it would streamline this thread and perhaps look a BIT more presentable than bulleted posts or w/e, but, it is technically outside the thread viewing so I can see why it would not be available for posting.
Frankly I just made it for myself b/c I am forgetting a lot of what's been going on and it was helpful to look back. Also, US, as I said I made it to post 200 before my eyes started bleeding, so, you claim you haven't gone after zorbees in a while, but, this post here is #370, which means as many back I haven't read through. I do not claim you have voted them, merely that you have questioned their posts/motives/contributions strongly enough to warrant taking note of.
The game is up.
I guess no one else has bothered, but uh, Brammi, mind explaining your zorbees vote? Crux mentioned he would support a B_T lynch, but you have not provided such inclinations recently. I'd ask him as to why, but he would almost certainly respond with some sort of carefully calculated insult to incite me into a meltdown.
I guess no one else has bothered, but uh, Brammi, mind explaining your zorbees vote? Crux mentioned he would support a B_T lynch, but you have not provided such inclinations recently. I'd ask him as to why, but he would almost certainly respond with some sort of carefully calculated insult to incite me into a meltdown.
I don't understand this post at all.
I've been accused of being highly egotistical before, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. If you think I'm acting "scared" of something, please provide some proof.
Because right now all I see from you is a variety of bad strategy and weak opinion posts and now a vote for zorbees posted with literally no reasoning provided whatsoever. Kinda makes it hard to take your opinion at face value without some evidence to back it up.
As for the sheet Yeti, it just seemed like a useful thing for people to see, that's all. It would allow everyone to see what you think of people without you having to make a massive tl;dr post.
edit: goddamn way to ninja snike
Holy shit... this game is going to go on forever. I feel like continuing this D1 shit isn't going to get us anywhere, so we should probably end it soon so we can hopefully have somewhat informed readings from now on. At this point it seems like Quagsires is the best target, and while I was hesitant at first, I don't see any better option. We're never going to get anywhere at this rate. Even if Quagsires is village, which I am beginning to doubt because he has yet to post another defense, we can still gain knowledge from his death.
@@Lynch Quagsires@@
Side note: Brammi, please give some reasoning for votes. I mean you can continue along with that style, but I know it's going to make me think you are scummy. Can't speak for the other players.
@@Lynch Quagsires@@
Side note: Brammi, please give some reasoning for votes. I mean you can continue along with that style, but I know it's going to make me think you are scummy. Can't speak for the other players.
I'm going to hold off voting for Quag until he has a chance to reply. The vote count for him is already at 8, and we shouldn't let the vote count get to 9 too early in case the mafia hammers him. Also, I want to make sure the inactive users post before the day is up.
Also, I'm unconvinced by Empoof's post. Empoof doesn't give a good explanation of why he suspects UncleSam. He says that UncleSam's posting style requires him to lead a lynch on someone regardless of whether that user is mafia, but doesn't explain why UncleSam has draw attention to himself by being so persistent on the Quagsires lynch. Empoof also says that nEsp was trying to post as much content as the other players. But behind the copious amounts of text, there really wasn't that much content to nEsp's posts. He mostly just summarized what had happened, and posted unoriginal opinions on other users. I know that new players tend to have trouble making substantive points, but nEsp seemed to be trying to hide the lack of original content in his posts.
Also, I'm unconvinced by Empoof's post. Empoof doesn't give a good explanation of why he suspects UncleSam. He says that UncleSam's posting style requires him to lead a lynch on someone regardless of whether that user is mafia, but doesn't explain why UncleSam has draw attention to himself by being so persistent on the Quagsires lynch. Empoof also says that nEsp was trying to post as much content as the other players. But behind the copious amounts of text, there really wasn't that much content to nEsp's posts. He mostly just summarized what had happened, and posted unoriginal opinions on other users. I know that new players tend to have trouble making substantive points, but nEsp seemed to be trying to hide the lack of original content in his posts.