I was thinking over building a team, going over threats and what not, when I was stuck on what I could use to counter Manaphy OUTSIDE of using Blissey. I mean, not much can switch in after a Tail Glow and take a Surf/Ice Beam/Energy Ball and counter hard enough to KO it's 100/100/100 defenses. The Analysis I read that was posted up only listed Blissey as a sure fire way to counter him. Any other options?
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best counter to Manaphy outside of Blissey?
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I don't know how many Manaphies carry Grass Knot instead of Energy Ball, but you could try using an Energy ball one on your team. Ironically, Manaphy doesn't do very well against other Manaphies if it doesn't have Energy Ball. Vaporeon can use Toxic, which cripples it. CS Cross outspeeds it and can put in a serious dent, though I don't think it's a OHKO.
Raikou works very well, Jolteon to a lesser extent.
Raikou works very well, Jolteon to a lesser extent.
And if its the Rain Dance variation? Toxic doesn't do anything to it.
Eitherway Ludicolo is probably the surefire way to deal with Manaphy.
Bulky Gyarados is an option too, it sets up on Manaphy decently and can take its main attacks easily. If it packs Taunt it can even stop its boosting.
I think Mantine is capable of walling and Mirror Coating Manaphy to hell. Immune to water, takes low damage from Grass Knot/Energy Ball and Ice Beam. Though it may require a Taunt support first beforehand or else Manaphy will just try Tail Glow in your face.
They're the only ones who can both come in on Manaphy and provide some sort of a threat. Besides them any decent fast Leech Seed/Sleep Powder user works too.
You said you were at dinner. You're on smogon and eating dinner with your family at the same time? I'm confused. To everyone else in this thread, Blissey will only counter manaphy with thunderbolt and some sp attack EV's. Ludicolo does it fine with STAB energy ball, raikou will simply destroy it, and it can't hit shedinja. Sadly, that's all the counters there are.
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It does unfortunately but if you run a slightly heavier attack Bulkydos (As in maybe abit less defense and enough attack for 330ish) and don't have anything else at least Gyara can still DD once and fire off a Earthquake/Stone Edge for bit more than 50% damage.
Its certainly better than sitting back and watching Manaphy tear through you unopposed.
Those base 100 HP and defenses without any boost are far far stronger than anyone gives credit for.
How is that countering manaphy? They tail glow on the switch and 2hko you. That's not countering at all.
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Ludicolo can handle quite a bit of stuff if you give it Energy Ball and Leech Seed (does Hydration negate Leech Seed?), so I'll have to agree with you there. Keep in mind that I'm a blatant Ludicolo advocate, since I use one. How much damage would Manaphy's attacks do to it, though.
You could try Snorlax.
Ludicolo/Blissey/Shedinja. Blissey is useless if Manaphy has Rain Dance support and Shedinja is useless if Spikes/SR are up, and even Ludicolo requires an EV spread pretty much dedicated entirely to Special blocking to not get beat up by a boosted Ice Beam. The cool thing about Ludicolo is that, if Manaphy has Rain Dance support, it can use the rain as well.
That's pretty much it. Dugtrio and faster pokemon are revenge killers (or chaser-offers in the case of not-Dugtrio), nothing more. Raikou and Jolteon are rather limited as a "counter."
And Timid eats Modest.
That's pretty much it. Dugtrio and faster pokemon are revenge killers (or chaser-offers in the case of not-Dugtrio), nothing more. Raikou and Jolteon are rather limited as a "counter."
And Timid eats Modest.
Being a Manaphy user, I can say that a good prediction easily kills him. How?
Any electric/grass Pokemon switching in together with Manaphy can scare it away, since he has an quite average sp. atk and is unable to face head-to-head with the likes of Sceptile, Starmie, Jolteon, and any other fast Poke with an SE move.
You can use this oportunity to set up and prevent Manaphy from coming back safely.
Any electric/grass Pokemon switching in together with Manaphy can scare it away, since he has an quite average sp. atk and is unable to face head-to-head with the likes of Sceptile, Starmie, Jolteon, and any other fast Poke with an SE move.
You can use this oportunity to set up and prevent Manaphy from coming back safely.
Except that Manaphy pretty much OHKOs all of those Pokemon with a Tail Glow, and even without one it can do enough damage to prevent them from switching in again.
Manaphy doesn't really have any counters outside of Blissey, whom it can beat with Rain Dance up anyway.
The only surefire Manaphy counter is Shedinja. With Wonder Guard, it can safely set up Swords Dance, but only if Tyranitar isn't a factor. Then Sheddy can X-Scissor it to death. If thats the case, Manaphy would have to start carrying Shadow Ball just so that it could kill Sheddy.
Hyra, what is going to threaten it with a OHKO? I think you're underestimating its defenses...a 329 SA STAB Thunderbolt does 339 damage to it at the most to minimum (236) SD, and its minimum HP is 341. Considering most things are going to have lower Special Attack than that, nothing besides Zapdos is going to OHKO it.
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