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[JustChilling]

when egg abusing IV's in HG, i read that your starting frame is always 3. so say i wanted to hti a frame of 5. i'd stand in front of the daycare man, call twice, and then collect egg and check? this is what I have been doing recently to check my seed and everything.

1.turn on game and set time to 17:01 (target time is 17:02:14)
2.synch clock with ds and power up ar.
3.when clock gets to 1:00 or slightly before, start game and press A pretty quickly.
4.right when I see myself in front of daycareman, call elm twice. I know the seed has like 4 or 5 kanto calls, so if i get 2 I check the egg.
5. If the calls do not have 2 K's, then I quickly run into grass and catch pokemon to check seed.

does all of this sound correct? I'm pretty sure I haven't hit the target time through my seed checks, so I know I just have to keep trying. Just want to make sure what I've done up to that is all correct.

P.S.- Thanks to Chamommy for her abusing for shiny eggs guide was able to do it to get the shiny pokemon with right nature and ability :D now just gotta get those ivs!!

[Riski]

Originally Posted by Fat JustChilling

P.S.- Thanks to Chamommy for her abusing for shiny eggs guide was able to do it to get the shiny pokemon with right nature and ability :D now just gotta get those ivs!!

I wish I could help you with the IVs too, but I still need help with that as well. :-(

See above your post. It really sucks. This frame thing is confusing me. I may off the roamers again.

[Human]

Originally Posted by Fat JustChilling

when egg abusing IV's in HG, i read that your starting frame is always 3. so say i wanted to hti a frame of 5. i'd stand in front of the daycare man, call twice, and then collect egg and check? this is what I have been doing recently to check my seed and everything.

1.turn on game and set time to 17:01 (target time is 17:02:14)
2.synch clock with ds and power up ar.
3.when clock gets to 1:00 or slightly before, start game and press A pretty quickly.
4.right when I see myself in front of daycareman, call elm twice. I know the seed has like 4 or 5 kanto calls, so if i get 2 I check the egg.
5. If the calls do not have 2 K's, then I quickly run into grass and catch pokemon to check seed.

does all of this sound correct? I'm pretty sure I haven't hit the target time through my seed checks, so I know I just have to keep trying. Just want to make sure what I've done up to that is all correct.

P.S.- Thanks to Chamommy for her abusing for shiny eggs guide was able to do it to get the shiny pokemon with right nature and ability :D now just gotta get those ivs!!

You starting frame is not always 3. Simply begin by checking your seed by calling Elm, leave one frame until you get to your seed, get out of the Pokegear and talk to the Daycare Man. There is a wandering NPC at the bottom of the route which should advance your frame by one more so you will hit your wanted frame.

[Pehu]

Originally Posted by Fat Chamommy

I still need help stopping at the right frame for my Egg IVs on HGSS.

Here is the Elm Count info.

(E,E,P skipped) E,E,E,E,P,P,P,E,E Roamers at R:31, E:31, L:15

My calibrated starting frame is 3.

I hit my seed. This is what happened when calling Elm: calls started on the second E inward and progressed as follows E,E,P,P,P. Please note that I have been having trouble with missing letters in the Elm calls, probably because of my arthritis. I am probably skipping frames due to NPC movement prior to getting the Pokegear up and running. And just so you know, there are no Elms calls for 10 seconds plus or minus beginning E,E,P,P,P and I am not so bad at hitting my target that I go off more than a second either way. I was on my target at 16 seconds.

Where am I supposed to stop calling Elm? Please show me on the Elm call list above so I know the exact letter.

I took a break from HGSS for a few days, but I really need to have this verified in the simplest manner possible so as to avoid further confusion on my part.

So maybe if you could cut and paste the list above and change the correct stopping letter to red or something like that?

First of all, nobody will be able to help you unless you say WHICH frame are you aiming for. Your starting frame is already implied by that (E, E, P skipped).

Also, posting your seed will help greatly, since we can actually TEACH you how to fish, instead of simply giving you the fishes.

As for the other post, about pikatimer: just get the value from the first timer and add it to the value on the second timer. If the result is greater or lower than

(Minutes Before Target * 60) + Wanted Seconds

You'll need to change your first timer until you have that result for the equation above.

[Riski]

Originally Posted by Fat Human

You starting frame is not always 3. Simply begin by checking your seed by calling Elm, leave one frame until you get to your seed, get out of the Pokegear and talk to the Daycare Man. There is a wandering NPC at the bottom of the route which should advance your frame by one more so you will hit your wanted frame.

I'm sorry, but that advice doesn't help me. I need to know exactly where I should have stopped calling Elm per my list of Elm calls that I copied. I'm trying to keep this very simple so I can get results and not more confusion. I very much need to keep this very simple. Showing me where I should stop on that list is as simple as I can think of getting.

I always have a frame of 3 when doing this egg. I've checked many times to be sure.

So where should I have stopped calling Elm in that list if I was aiming for a frame of 9, please?

Originally Posted by Fat Pehu

First of all, nobody will be able to help you unless you say WHICH frame are you aiming for. Your starting frame is already implied by that (E, E, P skipped).

Also, posting your seed will help greatly, since we can actually TEACH you how to fish, instead of simply giving you the fishes.

As for the other post, about pikatimer: just get the value from the first timer and add it to the value on the second timer. If the result is greater or lower than

(Minutes Before Target * 60) + Wanted Seconds

You'll need to change your first timer until you have that result for the equation above.

Here is the seed I'm working with 510701FA.

Position saved with roamers at R 38 E 35 L 24

Here is the results I'm supposed to get

(E,E,P skipped) E,E,E,E,P,P,P,E,E Roamers at R:31, E:31, L:15

I have gotten to the above seed per Elm calls and roamer position, but I have yet to get my IVs. As I've stated in the previous post, I am uncertain when to stop calling Elm.

I have verified that on this particular egg, I seem to start at frame 3 every time when I calibrate. It is possible, because of arthritis, I have bad days or even minutes where I slow down punching the A button and especially getting into the Pokegear.

After verifying Roamer positions, when calling Elm, I often have at least two skipped calls. Sometimes I have three skipped. Sometimes I have none.

[KuyaJBoy]

Will you have to blindly remember your frame (similarly to DPPt) when RNGing for Raikou, Entei, and Lati@s?

[Human]

You would miss the first three because of the roamers so your first frame when you call Elm should be E. You need to immediately open the Pokegear when you get in, I am not sure whether or not going to the Map does anything, especially seeing you have roamers out. Are you using them for anything though? If not you can just kill them off right now as they make no difference, you're calling Elm either way.

You begin on Frame 3 because of the three roamers, talking to the Daycare Man does not affect the frame you are on. This tells me you should be able to open your Pokegear before the NPC moves advancing your frame by one. So open the Pokegear to the phone, if you really don't want to kill the roamers you can leave them alone, but just open directly to this. When you call Elm now you will be on frame 4 with E, call him 6 more times and you should be on frame 10 and Elms response should have been P now and before if you hit your seed. Right now get out of the Pokegear and try to talk to the Day-Care Man as quickly as you can, the NPC at the bottom of the route will advance your frame by ONE which will make you get to frame 11.

[Riski]

Originally Posted by Fat Human

You would miss the first three because of the roamers so your first frame when you call Elm should be E. You need to immediately open the Pokegear when you get in, I am not sure whether or not going to the Map does anything, especially seeing you have roamers out. Are you using them for anything though? If not you can just kill them off right now as they make no difference, you're calling Elm either way.

You begin on Frame 3 because of the three roamers, talking to the Daycare Man does not affect the frame you are on. This tells me you should be able to open your Pokegear before the NPC moves advancing your frame by one. So open the Pokegear to the phone, if you really don't want to kill the roamers you can leave them alone, but just open directly to this. When you call Elm now you will be on frame 4 with E, call him 6 more times and you should be on frame 10 and Elms response should have been P now and before if you hit your seed. Right now get out of the Pokegear and try to talk to the Day-Care Man as quickly as you can, the NPC at the bottom of the route will advance your frame by ONE which will make you get to frame 11.

All right. So taking what you said and using it for a target frame of 9, I should have stopped at the first P.

(E,E,P skipped) E (this was 4),E,E,E,P (this should have been 8),P (and this is 9),P,E,E Roamers at R:31, E:31, L:15

Last time I definitely called Elm one time too many because I stopped at the second P and failed, of course.

Thanks, Human.

Edit: I'm seriously thinking of offing the Roamers. But if I succeed even once while they're still there, I'd be very happy.

[JustChilling]

Originally Posted by Fat Human

You starting frame is not always 3. Simply begin by checking your seed by calling Elm, leave one frame until you get to your seed, get out of the Pokegear and talk to the Daycare Man. There is a wandering NPC at the bottom of the route which should advance your frame by one more so you will hit your wanted frame.

so if my starting frame was 5 (i no bad choice but didn't realize i was gonna have to do this lol) I'd go into game, call elm, and if i got K first then just pick up the egg? then rinse, lather, repeat if I don't get the results? lol

[Human]

Originally Posted by Fat JustChilling

so if my starting frame was 5 (i no bad choice but didn't realize i was gonna have to do this lol) I'd go into game, call elm, and if i got K first then just pick up the egg? then rinse, lather, repeat if I don't get the results? lol

It depends on how many roamers you have. If you have all three then yes, which would make it a bad choice, if you have none then 5 isn't that bad, you can call Elm 4 times to make sure you hit your seed then get the egg.

[rocko510]

I'm using the time finder to find a shiny egg in hg ss with an international ditto, my delay spread is 489-497. I've tryed a bunch of dates to see if I could get an egg and nothing seems to appear and I have also noticed that my SID changes when I hit generate. Should I keep entering dates and hope for a shiny or is there an easier way to do this?

[mingot**]

Originally Posted by Fat rocko510

I'm using the time finder to find a shiny egg in hg ss with an international ditto, my delay spread is 489-497. I've tryed a bunch of dates to see if I could get an egg and nothing seems to appear and I have also noticed that my SID changes when I hit generate. Should I keep entering dates and hope for a shiny or is there an easier way to do this?

Your sid changes when you hit generate? Huh?

[Pehu]

Originally Posted by Fat Chamommy

I'm sorry, but that advice doesn't help me. I need to know exactly where I should have stopped calling Elm per my list of Elm calls that I copied. I'm trying to keep this very simple so I can get results and not more confusion. I very much need to keep this very simple. Showing me where I should stop on that list is as simple as I can think of getting.

I always have a frame of 3 when doing this egg. I've checked many times to be sure.

So where should I have stopped calling Elm in that list if I was aiming for a frame of 9, please?



Here is the seed I'm working with 510701FA.

Position saved with roamers at R 38 E 35 L 24

Here is the results I'm supposed to get

(E,E,P skipped) E,E,E,E,P,P,P,E,E Roamers at R:31, E:31, L:15

I have gotten to the above seed per Elm calls and roamer position, but I have yet to get my IVs. As I've stated in the previous post, I am uncertain when to stop calling Elm.

I have verified that on this particular egg, I seem to start at frame 3 every time when I calibrate. It is possible, because of arthritis, I have bad days or even minutes where I slow down punching the A button and especially getting into the Pokegear.

After verifying Roamer positions, when calling Elm, I often have at least two skipped calls. Sometimes I have three skipped. Sometimes I have none.

Here is what you need to do:

Get the seed (510701FA) and input in RNG Reporter's first screen.

Select Breeding (HGSS) as the method, check the three boxes for the roamers, and input the routes where they were saved. Then, click Generate. You'll have a screen like that:



Now, the first three calls are skipped, as you can see in the "Elm responses for Seed" area. So, I've clicked the line with Frame 4 on the grid of results.

Now, if you call Elm, you'll receive the message about Evolution. In that seed of yours, though, that doesn't confirm you on frame 4 yet, since the next calls are also Evolution.

What you need to do, then, is each time you call Elm and receive an Evolution message, you press down and go to the next line. That's because after you call Elm and receive a message, you advance the frame by 1.

So, for your seed, it's actually pretty easy: after the first time you see a message about Pokerus, you just stop calling Elm, because the next frame will be 9. You need, then, to press B and get the egg as fast as possible.

[rocko510]

Originally Posted by Fat mingot

Your sid changes when you hit generate? Huh?

ya my ar code said my SID is 99878 but when i generate for a shiny egg in time finder it changes to 65535

[Riski]

OMG, Pehu. It's so easy, it's noob-proof. Thank you very much. :-) You're a gem.

When I was doing this, I was inputting the IVs I wanted, so of course I only had two results that didn't help show the frames from 1 onward.

So now I know what to do. Seed to Time helps me target my correct seed with the correct IVs for Pikatimer, while the main window of RNG Reporter lets me do a countdown without actually counting but I ignore the IV section because it gets in the way of verifying my Elm calls. I finally understand what you meant. :-)

[mingot**]

Originally Posted by Fat rocko510

ya my ar code said my SID is 99878 but when i generate for a shiny egg in time finder it changes to 65535

Oh, because your AR code is wrong and there is no such thing as a SID that high.

[Pehu]

Glad I could finally help you, and sorry if I seemed a little upset on the last few days. Had some personal problems and let it go on you. Sorry again, and good luck from now on.

[Riski]

No worries. I hold no grudges. It's not like I'm perfect. :-)

Truly, you're a gem. You kept trying to help despite my utter, what is it, obliviousness. *insert smiling bidoof*

Edit, I think I can make a Noob guide now. Do I have permission to link that post in my guide?

[Pehu]

Originally Posted by Fat Chamommy

No worries. I hold no grudges. It's not like I'm perfect. :-)

Truly, you're a gem. You kept trying to help despite my utter, what is it, obliviousness. *insert smiling bidoof*

Edit, I think I can make a Noob guide now. Do I have permission to link that post in my guide?

Go ahead, I hope my post can help more people RNG successfully.

[KuyaJBoy]

When RNGing for Lati@s right before fighting Lance, do I have to keep track of my frame or is there a trick that will show me what frame I am at? Unfortunately, the avatar's phone sucks and can't get signal when trying to call Elm.

[Human]

Mingot, the last post I had was about hitting delays, not about changing delays. From personal experience I seem to be unable to hit certain delays when I am on certain days/time for it, but the moment I change the day I hit the delay perfectly. I spent an hour yesterday trying to hit a delay and was around 2-6 above consistently. The moment I changed the day one before I hit the delay in two tries. Today something similar happened and simply changing the day and time for the seed while leaving the year the same allowed me to hit my delay.

If anyone is willing to test that if in HGSS if the day/time has an affect on the delays you hit consistently or if I am just crazy?

[Riski]

Originally Posted by Fat Pehu

Go ahead, I hope my post can help more people RNG successfully.

I'm certain it will. Thank you again. :-)

[KuyaJBoy]

So I am currently trying to RNG a Latias. I want the spread on Frame 909 with the IVs 31/7/31/31/31/31. I have also read that if the three roamers are out, then Latias will have the frame of 11. But when using the seed 871701ED and inputting the roamer locations, I see that it says "Frame Advanced: 2" Does this mean that my initial frame will be on 2 and therefore I will need to tap the radio station 909-11-2 = (896) times? Some one correct my math if I'm wrong.

The reason I ask is because I advanced the frame all the way to 896 and defeated Lance, but when I caught Latias her spread was 2 frames after my target frame.

[flash]

Originally Posted by Fat KuyaJBoy

So I am currently trying to RNG a Latias. I want the spread on Frame 909 with the IVs 31/7/31/31/31/31. I have also read that if the three roamers are out, then Latias will have the frame of 11. But when using the seed 871701ED and inputting the roamer locations, I see that it says "Frame Advanced: 2" Does this mean that my initial frame will be on 2 and therefore I will need to tap the radio station 909-11-2 = (896) times? Some one correct my math if I'm wrong.

The reason I ask is because I advanced the frame all the way to 896 and defeated Lance, but when I caught Latias her spread was 2 frames after my target frame.

I am having trouble understanding your problem. Do you mean you killed all 3 roamers? If so, then Latias would be on frame 11. But when you said that you inputted roamer locations, that refutes your previous statement. SO my question is: What roamers are currently roaming there? (the ones that are not killed)

[rocko510]

So I have found a seed for a shiny egg but I dont know where I'm supposed to restart my game at. What I have been trying is to reset in front of the daycare lady, give her my pokemon to breed and then ride my bike to get an egg, but that is not working.