Levy Tran is a Goddess

theebay707 · Dec 10, 2011

Introduction:

Hello my name is Theebay707, and this is a team that i have made with the help of my friend Dragonuser. We are here today to post our team to try and get it better since Deoxys-S is now banned from OU. We both reached 1400+ CRE before Deoxys-S was banned and we feel like we can now get higher on the ladder, especially if we get the help from a few of you from Smogon.

Team Building Process:

So one day i was talking to Dragonuser, and we were talking about how underrated HP Fire Latias is, and how great it fits into the current metagame. One of Latias's biggest counters, Scizor, is often all an opponent has to deal with Latias and is easily handled by a nice and easy HP Fire. We then decided to make a team around her.

Next we started to think about Latias's counters and what would stop it from sweeping a team. We realized that its biggest problems would be dragons, Blissey/Chansey/Special wall, and Tyranitar. We eventually decided on Conkeldurr and Heatran to deal with these checks to latias.

Then, we decided to spam Volt-Turn with the wonderful core of Rotom-W and Scizor. Which would help us keep some momentum up and check a few pokemon along the way.

Then, we seemed a little rain weak, bar Rotom-W and Latias, so we decided to use Celebi. Celebi would act as a better pokemon to check rain and opposing Rotom-W, Scizor, and Lucario.

We then realized that we weren't using Conkeldurr as much, so Dragonuser asked his tutor, AndViet, to take a look at the team because we didn't know what to replace Conkeldurr with. He said that we should replace Conkeldurr with Deoxys-S to lay down spikes and add a little coverage.

But since Deoxys-S was recently banned, Dragonuser and I decided to come up with a pokemon that can be a great sweeper, early game or late game, and we both decided on Lucario.

After tons of testing, between Dragonuser and Myself, this is what we settled on.

After suggestions and testing, Dragonuser and I eventually decided to swap lucario out for a scarf terrakion and a cb scizor. Although we were sad about losing cs Scizor, we decided that this was the best way to handle our threats.

Closer Look:

@ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Pain Split

The main reason for building this team was to surprise the metagame with sometimes forgotten and/or underused sets. Originally an Expert Belt set with max Spd and SAtk EVs, we felt that this set would work great. Generally we start the game spamming Volt Switches and keep the illusion of a Choiced Rotom up. After weather/hazards, any good battler would notice the lack of leftovers and automatically assume that we are choiced. This opens up an oppurtunity for Rotom. I cant count the number of times that we have feigned choice only to smash a poke with a super effective move. Then, we decided to use a more bulkier Rotom-W set, keeping HP Grass, because it would help Rotom-W last longer and check pokemon later on after its threats have been killed.

@ Choice Scarf
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- X-Scissor

Terrakion was suggested to us over lucario to handle some of our major threats better. Terrakion provides a reliable counter to volcarona and dd scrafty. Being able to outspeed scrafty even after +2. The EV's and nature are to maximise his speed and attack, so he can check countless more pokes. The moves are fairly standard as he gets his dual stabs in Close combat and stone edge. Earthquake and X-Scizzor provide valuable coverage.

@ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 248 HP/ 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Quick Attack

Originally we were using a scarf scizor here, but with the addition of CS terrakion, we decided that two scarferswere redundant, and it would be best to revert to the standard cb set. This set is reliable, and packs an insane punch. The EV's allow maximum attack, while giving him decent bulk as well. The moves are standard, I cant say in words how useful scizor is. He provides vital momentum and priority, and should never be taken lightly.

@ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 72 HP / 252 SAtk / 184 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Giga Drain
- Earth Power
- Psychic

Celebi is a complete monster. Often I enjoy spamming Psychics early game to make people think that Celebi is walled by Heatran, arguably Latias's biggest threat. No one expects a Nasty Plot Celebi + 3 attacks, and think they can comfortably Roar / Fire Blast us out, only to be nailed by a +2/+0 (both KO :P) Earth Power. The EVs allow Celebi to out-speed Dragonite and OHKO with a +2 Psychic after rocks, Lucario, and Heatran.

@ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SDef / 8 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Stealth Rock
- Lava Plume
- Protect
- Roar

Specially defensive Heatran, in my opinion, is its best set. This Heatran checks so much of the metagame and provides valuable resistances for our team. The EV's maximize his bulk, while limiting SR damage. His main role on our team is to alongside with Latias, is to counter sun. Stealth rocks + Roar is a very dangerous combo for sun, as many teams use Forretress as there spinner and don’t have an opportunity to spin away the rocks.

@ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Recover

The whole reason we decided to make this team. Calm mind Latias is a wonderful pokemon to use this gen, and has rarely failed us. Thanks to HP Fire, Latias can check a lot of the things that can check it such as Skarmory, Forretress, and Scizor, giving us a little boost in momentum when they lose their one counter to Latias. The EV's are that of a bulky latias, as with celebi lacking recovery latias may be neccesary to take some stab water moves.

Importable:

PHP:

Rotom-W @ Leftovers
  Trait: Levitate
  EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SAtk
  Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
  - Volt Switch
  - Hydro Pump
  - Hidden Power [Grass]
  - Pain Split
   
Terrakion @ Choice Scarf Trait: Justified
 EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
 Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
 - Close Combat
 - Rock Slide
 - X-Scissor
 - Earthquake
     
  Scizor (M) @ Choice Band Trait: Technician
 EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
 Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
 - U-turn
 - Bullet Punch
 - Superpower
 - Quick Attack
     
  Celebi @ Leftovers
  Trait: Natural Cure
  EVs: 72 HP / 252 SAtk / 184 Spd
  Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
  - Nasty Plot
  - Giga Drain
  - Earth Power
  - Psychic
   
  Heatran (F) @ Leftovers
  Trait: Flash Fire
  EVs: 248 HP / 252 SDef / 8 Spd
  Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
  - Stealth Rock
  - Lava Plume
  - Protect
  - Roar
   
  Latias (F) @ Leftovers
  Trait: Levitate
  EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
  Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
  - Calm Mind
  - Dragon Pulse
  - Hidden Power [Fire]
  - Recover

changes will be in bold

dragonuser · Dec 10, 2011

Offensive Threat List:

Code:

Offensive Threats
 [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0f/248MS.png[/IMG] Tyranitar:
[LIST]
[*]Choice Band - Scizor and lucario can easily come in on a choiced move, and threaten with a ko.  Heatran can come in and threaten rocks/ burn.
[*]Choice Scarf - Much easier to deal with, due to lack of immediate power.   Switching in is much easier, and the pursuit/crunch mindgame can b won if played smartly.
[*]Dragon Dance - Scizor and lucario are the best bet to ko.  On bay's version scarf scizor outspeeds, and in mine i threaten with cb bullet punch.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d6/Ani479WMS.png[/IMG] Rotom-W: 
[LIST]
[*]Choice Scarf / Specs -Celebi comes in on hydro pumps to set up.  Often these come in on heatran, so with the use of protect, i can switch to celebi or latias based on the move.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f2/212MS.png[/IMG] Scizor:
[LIST]
[*]Choice Band - Heatran can tank everything but superpower, which is still manageable.  Latias also works as a great lure.
[*][B]Swords Dance[/B] -  These usually dont carry superpower, unless its the straight out offensive variant.  The straight out offensive variant usually kos 1-2 pokes a game.  These guys are a manageable but a dangerous problem for the team. If heatran dies i usually goto latias, and hp fire as they bug bite.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Ani149MS.png[/IMG] Dragonite:
[LIST]
[*]Choice Band - Between heatran, air baloon lucario and latias he is fairly manageable with smart switches and predictions.
[*]Dragon Dance - Heatran walls and phazes the standard ddnite.
[*][B]Mixed[/B] - Heatran can handle fairly well.  But is dangerous.  My goal when i see a dnite in team preview, is to get rocks down then try to setup with celebi.  This acts as a fantastic lure for dnite to only die to a +2 psychic.  Of course this is very situational, and he can pose a threat to the team.
[*]Parashuffler -  once again, I get rocks down with heatran, and can often phase him out, as he subs or twaves heatran.  On the switch back in, he will have 50% or 25% making him much less dangerous.  If he comes out before rocks are down, I just go on the complete offensive and try to force the opponent to roost and sub, rather than phaze and twave.  Eventually he switches/ breaks.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e4/Ani186MS.png[/IMG] Politoed:
[LIST]
[*]Choice Specs / Scarf -  Celebi and latias handle both well.  As a backup, rotom-w can take a hit and threaten a ko.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/03/Ani485MS.png[/IMG] Heatran:
[LIST]
[*]Standard - I often use momentum to get rotom/ lucario in.  This forces heatran out, and in the process breaks his baloon(if he has one)  I then use celebi as bait to bring in and ko.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/77/Ani385MS.png[/IMG] Jirachi:
[LIST]
[*]Substitute + Calm Mind / Wish + Calm Mind - Heatran can do large amounts of damage with lava plume, and can phaze out if he gets too many boosts.  Rain cm rachi is another story.  Against those, I switch in celebi, and start boosting.  Usually it ends with me at +6, and them at +4/higher.  Then do to me resisting ther attacks, and having a supereffective one against them(earth power) I win the boosting war, and am set to sweep ther team.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/65/Ani381MS.png[/IMG] Latios:
[LIST]
[*]Life Orb - Difficult to deal with, in the fact that they can freely switch moves and seriously hurt my team.  Scizor is the best bet against him, scarf scizor does the best job in surprise killing him.  If scizor is down, then the best thing to do is LO stall him
[*]Choice Scarf / Specs - Much easier to deal with, play with watever move he locks himself into, and either pursuit/ force switch.
[*]Calm Mind -  Difficult to deal with again, scizor is the only reliable way to deal with him.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3b/Ani579MS.png[/IMG] Reuniclus:
[LIST]
[*]Calm Mind -  Scizor does major damage to him, and is the best insurance against him.  If scizor fails, I bring in celebi and try to boost alongside.  Then its more of a tricky game.
[*]Offensive Trick Room -  Like before, scizor is the goto pokemon.  If scizor falls, heatran can tank a focus blast/stall out trick room with protect/switches and focus misses.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ef/Ani612MS.png[/IMG] Haxorus:
[LIST]
[*]Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Tricky to deal with, but i generally force him into outrage and see the damage output on heatran(primary check).  Based on this, i can figure out if its scarf or band and use latias accordingly.
[*]Dragon Dance - Dangerous, I do as much damage as i can while it sets up so scizor and lucario can revenge.
[*]Double Dance -  Dangerous, I do as much damage as i can while it sets up so scizor and lucario can revenge.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/50/Ani038MS.png[/IMG] Ninetales:
[LIST]
[*]Nasty Plot - Heatran can set up on and phaze him.  If the opponent has dugtrio, i tend to use latias against him.
[*]Choice Specs - Heatran can set up on him.  If the opponent has dugtrio, i tend to use latias against him.
[*]Special Attacker - Heatran can set up on him.  If the opponent has dugtrio, i tend to use latias against him.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b8/Ani534MS.png[/IMG] Conkeldurr:
[LIST]
[*][B]Bulk Up[/B] - A huge problem.  Celebi +0 psychic doesnt ko, and he can setup on most of my team.  My best bet is to go straight from celebi to latias to ko.  Although this is situational, and does cost me losing a very valuable poke.  If the conk has proper support, i could also loose latias in koing him.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/4b/Ani251MS.png[/IMG] Celebi:
[LIST]
[*]Nasty Plot Sweeper - Generally, I scout whether it uses psychic or earth power, and switch to latias/ heatran accordingly.
[*]Tinkerbell - Heatran handles wonderfully.
[*]Choice Specs / Choice Scarf - Heatran/ latias handles wonderfully.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/9/90/Ani639MS.png[/IMG] Terrakion:
[LIST]
[*]Double Dance - Scizor can threaten with BP.
[*]Choice Scarf / Choice Band -  Scizor can threaten with BP.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d1/Ani130MS.png[/IMG] Gyarados:
[LIST]
[*]Offensive / Bulky Dragon Dance - rotom-w can tank hits and ko.  Latias is also a secondary check.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/18/Ani094MS.png[/IMG] Gengar:
[LIST]
[*]Substitute + Disable / Pain Split -  Scizor can seriously threaten with BP and pursuit.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/19/Ani121MS.png[/IMG] Starmie:
[LIST]
[*]Life Orb - Celebi can handle almost every version, and can tank an ice beam and ko.
[*]Rapid Spin -Celebi can handle almost every version, and can tank an ice beam and ko.
[*]Choice Specs -Celebi can handle almost every version, and can tank an ice beam and ko. For this version, I scout moves(they often come in on heatran) and i switch accordingly.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/66/Ani645MS.png[/IMG] Landorus:
[LIST]
[*]Rock Polish / Swords Dance - Air baloon lucario is very useful in koing this guy.  As well as scizor
[*]Choice Scarf -Air baloon lucario is less usefull, do to u-turn.  I generally spam priority, and abuse rocks to ko him.
[*]Substitute + 3 Attacks - Scizor can handle fairly well as this variant lacks sweeping potential.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/74/Ani392MS.png[/IMG] Infernape:
[LIST]
[*]Mixed Attacker - Usually carries down LO, and can be stalld.  Generally rotom-w + priority kos/ latias
[*]Nasty Plot / Swords Dance Booster - Tricky to defend against, Latias is generally the best answer.
[*]Choice Band -  Easy to predict against with latias/ heatran.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/08/Ani637MS.png[/IMG] Volcarona:
[LIST]
[*][B]Offensive Quiver Dance[/B] - Heatran can phaze and do exceptional damage in the sun.  [B]Hp ground variants are very dangerous.[/B]
[*]Bulky Quiver Dance -Heatran can phaze/ setup on it.
[*]Chesto Rest -Heatran can phaze/ setup on it.
[*]Substitute -Heatran can phaze/ setup on it.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d8/Ani462MS.png[/IMG] Magnezone:
[LIST]
[*]Substitute - Very few of my steels are weak to him, and when scizor is trapped, lucario is still ther to provide priority.
[*]Choice Scarf -Very few of my steels are weak to him, and when scizor is trapped, lucario is still ther to provide priority.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/Ani196MS.png[/IMG] Espeon:
[LIST]
[*]Calm Mind - Heatran handles hp fire variants, with scizor handling hp ground.  Generally scizor is the goto mon.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e5/Ani373MS.png[/IMG] Salamence:
[LIST]
[*][B]Dragon Dance[/B] - fairly dangerous due to his coverage, I usually LO stall or rely on scizor's priority
[*]Mixed -latias/ heatran/ scizor priority
[*]Defensive - latias/ heatran/ scizor priority
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/60/Ani635MS.png[/IMG] Hydreigon:
[LIST]
[*]Offensive - latias/ scizor. not a huge threat
[*]Choice Specs / Choice Scarf - Easier to play around and can scout his moves.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/7e/Ani286MS.png[/IMG] Breloom:
[LIST]
[*]Sub Seed - Based on ther team, I put the least useful mon on my team to sleep, and bring in celebi to ko.
[*]Sub Punch -  Based on ther team, I put the least useful mon on my team to sleep, and bring in celebi to ko.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bb/Ani380MS.png[/IMG] Latias:
[LIST]
[*][B]Calm Mind(only hp fire variants)[/B] - Non hp fire variant latias's are easily handled by scizor.  How ironic that Hp fire vairants are more tricky, and i just need to hope for a burn with heatran.  They cant do much to heatran, but heatran cant do much to them.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/20/Ani454MS.png[/IMG] Toxicroak:
[LIST]
[*]Swords Dance - generally voltturn with priority mixed in easily kos.
[*][B]Bulk Up[/B] - much more difficult, to ko, as after a few bulk ups, scizor wont be doing much.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b0/Ani448MS.png[/IMG] Lucario:
[LIST]
[*]Swords Dance -Celebi can outspeed and ko.
[*]Nasty Plot -Celebi can outspeed and ko.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bf/Ani640MS.png[/IMG] Virizion:
[LIST]
[*]Calm Mind -I generally rely on celebi's psychic to handle.  Tricky to play around, but is manageable.
[*]Swords Dance - Even easier to handle, as psychic ko's so much more easily.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/44/Ani560MS.png[/IMG] Scrafty:
[LIST]
[*][SIZE=3][U][I][B]Dragon Dance[/B][/I][/U] -[/SIZE]  Very troublesome for the team.  Tbh i cant think of a solid way to deal with him. Luckily he is exceedingly rare.
[*][U][I][B][SIZE=3]Bulk Up -[/SIZE][/B][/I][/U] Very troublesome for the team.  Tbh i cant think of a solid way to deal with him. Luckily he is exceedingly rare.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8e/Ani003MS.png[/IMG] Venusaur:
[LIST]
[*]Special Growth - Generally latias/ heatran can deal with them.  Heatran is the best.  I play cautiously to see if he uses sleep powder, and do my best to avoid sleep on heatran.  Generally sleep powder variants lack the coverage to beat latias + scizor.
[*]Mixed Growth - The lack of sp attack evs make latias live attacks eeasier and check all the more efficiently.
[*]SubSeed - Celebi handles this varaint exceedingly well.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/49/Ani376MS.png[/IMG] Metagross:
[LIST]
[*]Stealth Rock - extremely rare, and rotom w+ lucario do well.
[*]Choice Scarf / Choice Band -extremely rare, and rotom w+ lucario do well.
[*]Agility -never faced one with this team, i guess between priority and the damage it took while setting up its easily ko'd.
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[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/ff/Ani620MS.png[/IMG] Mienshao:
[LIST]
[*]All-Out Attacker - Latias can tank u-turns for under 50% recover and dpulse on the switch.
[*]Choice Scarf / Choice Band - spamming u-turns is annoying, but late game its fairly obvious when he will switch in, and i can attack appropriately.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/50/Ani091MS.png[/IMG] Cloyster:
[LIST]
[*]Shell Smash -  Rotom-w can tank and demolish.  Scizor is insurance.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/67/Ani473MS.png[/IMG] Mamoswine:
[LIST]
[*]Physical Attacker - Scizor + lucario+ rotom-w handle well
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/15/Ani555MS.png[/IMG] Darmanitan:
[LIST]
[*]Choice Scarf - Heatran does a very good job at checking, so does latias, as u-turns are recoverable.
[/LIST]
[IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0c/Ani641MS.png[/IMG] Tornadus:
[LIST]
[*]Rain Abuser - priority/rocks/ phazing make this guy have a very short life
[/LIST]

dragonuser · Dec 10, 2011

Defensive Threat List:

Code:

  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/0f/248MS.png[/IMG] Tyranitar:
  
[LIST]
[*]Specially Defensive – Lucario & Scizor handle
[/LIST]

  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d6/Ani479WMS.png[/IMG] Rotom-W: 
  
[LIST]
[*]Standard – Celebi & Latias handle. Rotom-W can too with HP Grass, doing about 40% +
[/LIST]

  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d3/Ani598MS.png[/IMG] Ferrothorn:
  
[LIST]
[*]Standard – Pretty much everything on the team besides Rotom-W
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  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e4/Ani186MS.png[/IMG] Politoed:
  
[LIST]
[*]Defensive – Rotom-W, Celebi, & Latias
[/LIST]

  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3f/Ani472MS.png[/IMG] Gliscor:
  
[LIST]
[*]Swords Dance - Celebi, Latios, & Lucario
[*]Substitute + Protect – Celebi, Latios, & Lucario
[*]AcroBat  – If sand is up, it’ll be pretty difficult getting a hit in. But   Latios & Lucario can do a number on it so Scizor can ko
[*]Defensive - Celebi, Latios, & Lucario
[/LIST]

  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/03/Ani485MS.png[/IMG] Heatran:
  
[LIST]
[*]Specially Defensive – Rotom-W, Lucario, & Scizor
[/LIST]

  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/77/Ani385MS.png[/IMG] Jirachi:
  
[LIST]
[*]Specially Defensive – Heatran & Celebi
[/LIST]

  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/31/Ani227MS.png[/IMG] Skarmory:
  
[LIST]
[*]Physically Defensive Spiker - Rotom-W, Heatran, Celebi, & Latias
[*]Specially Defensive Spiker - Rotom-W, Heatran, Celebi, & Latias
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  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/50/Ani038MS.png[/IMG] Ninetales:
  
[LIST]
[*]Specially Defensive – Heatran & Latias.
[/LIST]

  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/4b/Ani251MS.png[/IMG] Celebi:
  
[LIST]
[*]Physically Defensive – Celebi, Heatran, & Latios
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  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/81/Ani205MS.png[/IMG] Forretress:
  
[LIST]
[*]Physically Defensive Spiker - Celebi, Heatran, & Latios
[*]Specially Defensive Spiker - Celebi, Heatran, & Latios
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  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d1/Ani130MS.png[/IMG] Gyarados: 
  
[LIST]
[*]RestTalk – Rotom-W
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  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f8/Ani593MS.png[/IMG] Jellicent:
  
[LIST]
[*]Utility Counter - Celebi, Latios, & Rotom-W
[/LIST]

  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/Ani073MS.png[/IMG] Tentacruel:
  
[LIST]
[*]Toxic Spikes - Celebi, Latios, & Rotom-W
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  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/1e/Ani423MS.png[/IMG] Gastrodon:
  
[LIST]
[*]Tank - Celebi, Latios, Rotom-W, & Lucario when it’s below 60%
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  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/Ani196MS.png[/IMG] Espeon:
  
[LIST]
[*]Dual Screens – Scizor, Celebi, & Latios
[*]Baton Pass  – It’s pretty difficult getting around a baton pass team, but if I  predict right with Heatran, I can roar the next pokemon out.
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  [IMG]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b5/Ani242MS.png[/IMG] Blissey:
  
[LIST]
[*]Support – Lucario & Scizor
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[*]Wish Support - Celebi, Latios, & Rotom-W
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[*]Support – Scizor & Heatran
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[*]Tank – Latios, Celebi, & Heatran
[*]Dual Screens - Latios, Celebi, & Heatran
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[*]Defensive - Celebi, Latios, & Rotom-W
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[*]Stallbreaker – Heatran & Scizor
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[*]Tank - Celebi, Latios, & Rotom-W
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[*]Curse - Celebi, Latios, & Rotom-W
[*]Specially Defensive - Celebi, Latios, & Rotom-W
[*]Physically Defensive - Celebi, Latios, & Rotom-W
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kd24 · Dec 11, 2011

this is a very solid team on all counts, and there isn't really much to improve without changing things up too much...however, i was looking through your threat list and something that jumped out as me as being able to handle the majority of threats you list is the following:

Dragonite (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 44 Atk / 252 SAtk / 212 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Draco Meteor
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Outrage

i really hate relying on hurricane outside of rain, but theres no doubting it deals with so many things you listed as threats such as volcarona, conkeldurr, earth power celebi, dd scrafty, other dragons, etc. from your threat lists, my instinct would be to try this over celebi since it can somewhat counter rain now (100% hurricane is definitely nothing to laugh at), and lucario cant be replaced because of its vital role of taking out blissey/ferrothorn :s

really good job on this, the dnite is something that i would suggest trying though, just to see if he makes a good fit...if not, its an easy change back ;)

oh also, if you try this, i definitely like going to choice band scizor now since dnite surprise kills what scarf scizor was (and really, its a crime not to abuse cb bullet punch xD)

great job guys

dragonuser · Dec 11, 2011

kd24 said:
this is a very solid team on all counts, and there isn't really much to improve without changing things up too much...however, i was looking through your threat list and something that jumped out as me as being able to handle the majority of threats you list is the following:

Dragonite (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 44 Atk / 252 SAtk / 212 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Draco Meteor
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Outrage

i really hate relying on hurricane outside of rain, but theres no doubting it deals with so many things you listed as threats such as volcarona, conkeldurr, earth power celebi, dd scrafty, other dragons, etc. from your threat lists, my instinct would be to try this over celebi since it can somewhat counter rain now (100% hurricane is definitely nothing to laugh at)

really good job on this, the dnite is something that i would suggest trying though, just to see if he makes a good fit...if not, its an easy change back ;)

oh also, if you try this, i definitely like going to choice band scizor now since dnite surprise kills what scarf scizor was (and really, its a crime not to abuse cb bullet punch xD)

great job guys

thanks kd24!

yea i will definetly try that dnite set out. Also i do run a cb scizor in my version of the team :P. but thanks for the rate :]

DeXster · Dec 11, 2011

Great team you two. Makes me think about the threats to my team lol. Only thing I would say is the item clause-too many leftovers. But other than that great team. Now time to go and reevaluate my team lol

The Truth · Dec 11, 2011

okay, hp ground volc is seriously a bitch to this team, but thats already in your threatlist :\ standard volc is also a huge problem here, if they run dugtrio or if heatran goes down. flame charge tran also rapes your team if they carry hp grass. scarftran with hp grass is pretty bad too but most run hp ice so thats not really such a big problem. basically you have a sun weakness. adding a sash+stone edge dugtrio would deal with a lot of your problems but i don't really see how to fit it in here. if you want to run sash duggy as a counter to said threats then a spinner is also necessary. you could run a starmie over your rotom but you would lose the volt switch momentum and the valuable rotom+scizor core. idk how to work it in well ;/

props for 3:3 steel

dragonuser · Dec 11, 2011

Dexs Kid said:
Great team you two. Makes me think about the threats to my team lol. Only thing I would say is the item clause-too many leftovers. But other than that great team. Now time to go and reevaluate my team lol

Since we are playing on pokemon online item clause shouldnt b a problem.
but thanks anyways :]

The Truth said:
okay, hp ground volc is seriously a bitch to this team, but thats already in your threatlist :\ standard volc is also a huge problem here, if they run dugtrio or if heatran goes down. flame charge tran also rapes your team if they carry hp grass. scarftran with hp grass is pretty bad too but most run hp ice so thats not really such a big problem. basically you have a sun weakness. adding a sash+stone edge dugtrio would deal with a lot of your problems but i don't really see how to fit it in here. if you want to run sash duggy as a counter to said threats then a spinner is also necessary. you could run a starmie over your rotom but you would lose the volt switch momentum and the valuable rotom+scizor core. idk how to work it in well ;/

props for 3:3 steel

i see ur point, and when i see a sun duggy team, im a lot more conservative wit heatran, and usually use latias as my primary sun check. and wouldnt dugtrio make me weaker to conk/ fighting types =/.
thanks anyways :]

DeXster · Dec 11, 2011

k cool and where did you get the moving sprites from? and i need that gurls number hahahaha jk

WhiteStone30 · Dec 11, 2011

DU dosnt love me so im not gonna rate :3

Oblivion IX · Dec 11, 2011

Hey, awesome team! Everything looks great outside of that Volcarona/Scrafty weakness that you've mentioned. Luckily, I can see an easy way of remedying your problem against both of these Pokemon without having to change much. Simply use a Choice Scarf variant of Terrakion in place of Lucario. It maintains the presence of a powerful Fighting-type on your team so that you can still beat Chansey/Blissey and gives you a way of beating the aforementioned threats (along with others) even if they're at +1 Speed. Overall, solid team and good luck.

Terakion @ Choice Scarf l Jolly l 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Close Combat l Stone Edge l X-Scissor l Earthquake

theebay707 · Dec 11, 2011

kd24 said:
this is a very solid team on all counts, and there isn't really much to improve without changing things up too much...however, i was looking through your threat list and something that jumped out as me as being able to handle the majority of threats you list is the following:

Dragonite (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 44 Atk / 252 SAtk / 212 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Draco Meteor
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- Outrage

i really hate relying on hurricane outside of rain, but theres no doubting it deals with so many things you listed as threats such as volcarona, conkeldurr, earth power celebi, dd scrafty, other dragons, etc. from your threat lists, my instinct would be to try this over celebi since it can somewhat counter rain now (100% hurricane is definitely nothing to laugh at), and lucario cant be replaced because of its vital role of taking out blissey/ferrothorn :s

really good job on this, the dnite is something that i would suggest trying though, just to see if he makes a good fit...if not, its an easy change back ;)

oh also, if you try this, i definitely like going to choice band scizor now since dnite surprise kills what scarf scizor was (and really, its a crime not to abuse cb bullet punch xD)

great job guys

Hey KD24, Thanks for the rate :). Appreciate it.
I actually like the Scarfed Dragonite idea. I gave it a try and it actually works, kinda risky outside of Rain though because i don't have a really good check to Conkeldurr now, i just have to pray that Hurricane hits.

Dexs Kid said:
Great team you two. Makes me think about the threats to my team lol. Only thing I would say is the item clause-too many leftovers. But other than that great team. Now time to go and reevaluate my team lol

Thanks :)
But yeah, there's really no Item Clause on PO.

The Truth said:
okay, hp ground volc is seriously a bitch to this team, but thats already in your threatlist :\ standard volc is also a huge problem here, if they run dugtrio or if heatran goes down. flame charge tran also rapes your team if they carry hp grass. scarftran with hp grass is pretty bad too but most run hp ice so thats not really such a big problem. basically you have a sun weakness. adding a sash+stone edge dugtrio would deal with a lot of your problems but i don't really see how to fit it in here. if you want to run sash duggy as a counter to said threats then a spinner is also necessary. you could run a starmie over your rotom but you would lose the volt switch momentum and the valuable rotom+scizor core. idk how to work it in well ;/

props for 3:3 steel

Yeah, Volc is a big threat to this team, especially HP Ground sets.
Sun + Duggy is manageable, just have to play smart and KO the spinner or duggy first.
Thanks for you rate, will give the Starmie replacement in mind.

Oblivion IX said:
Hey, awesome team! Everything looks great outside of that Volcarona/Scrafty weakness that you've mentioned. Luckily, I can see an easy way of remedying your problem against both of these Pokemon without having to change much. Simply use a Choice Scarf variant of Terrakion in place of Lucario. It maintains the presence of a powerful Fighting-type on your team so that you can still beat Chansey/Blissey and gives you a way of beating the aforementioned threats (along with others) even if they're at +1 Speed. Overall, solid team and good luck.

Terakion @ Choice Scarf l Jolly l 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Close Combat l Stone Edge l X-Scissor l Earthquake

Replacing Lucario for Scarfed Terrakion would make the team Gyarados weak. Especially SubDD sets. But then again, it would work. I'll give it a test and we how it works.
Thanks for the rate :)

-Tsunami- · Dec 11, 2011

Hey there.

Sub DD Gyarados is a major threat to this team, so I suggest that you run Thunderbolt over Hidden Power Grass on Rotom-W. Volt Switch's utility is too good to be replaced by Thunderbolt, but Gastrodon usage is slowly decreasing, meaning that Hidden Power Grass isn't as useful. Thunderbolt lets Rotom-W decimate Sub DD Gyarados quite easily, and also gives it a stronger STAB attack with which to hit threats such as Tentacruel.

Now, this team would also benefit greatly from a Rapid Spinner, as it will make it much harder for stall teams to wear you down. Spikes support would also be extremely beneficial, especially with the Rotom-W + Scizor core you have. Latias fulfills almost all of the same roles that Celebi does, but Celebi is more beneficial to your team due to its higher power and access to Earth Power. Therefore, I suggest that you replace Latias with a Forretress. Forretress can not only supply Spikes and Rapid Spin support, but can provide Toxic Spikes support as well, thus allowing you to weaken stall teams even more easily. It also has access to Volt Switch, which can be utilized against opponents such as Jellicent in order to maintain momentum. It also fits perfectly with your Rotom-W + Scizor core.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 SDef
Relaxed Nature
- Volt Switch
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin

Replacing Latias does make you more weak to Rotom-W + Scizor cores, however. Thankfully though, this can be easily remedied by running Hidden Power Fire over Psychic on Celebi. Hidden Power Fire lets Celebi decimate most Steel-types, including Scizor. Psychic is mostly only useful for KO'ing Pokemon such as Dragonite after a Nasty Plot, but most Dragonite do not run Earthquake, and thus will be walled by Heatran. You can also simply just lure it into Outrage, thus allowing Lucario to finish it off.

Overall, really solid team. Hope I helped, and good luck!

dragonuser · Dec 11, 2011

Oblivion IX said:
Hey, awesome team! Everything looks great outside of that Volcarona/Scrafty weakness that you've mentioned. Luckily, I can see an easy way of remedying your problem against both of these Pokemon without having to change much. Simply use a Choice Scarf variant of Terrakion in place of Lucario. It maintains the presence of a powerful Fighting-type on your team so that you can still beat Chansey/Blissey and gives you a way of beating the aforementioned threats (along with others) even if they're at +1 Speed. Overall, solid team and good luck.

Terakion @ Choice Scarf l Jolly l 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Close Combat l Stone Edge l X-Scissor l Earthquake

Like theebay said, Terrakion would handle many of our threats, but would make our team weaker to sub gyara. Also with a lack of recovery move terrakion can only switch in and threaten a few amount of times, especially if spikes are down. but nevertheless i will test it thanks for the rate :]

ShakeItUp said:
Hey there.

Sub DD Gyarados is a major threat to this team, so I suggest that you run Thunderbolt over Hidden Power Grass on Rotom-W. Volt Switch's utility is too good to be replaced by Thunderbolt, but Gastrodon usage is slowly decreasing, meaning that Hidden Power Grass isn't as useful. Thunderbolt lets Rotom-W decimate Sub DD Gyarados quite easily, and also gives it a stronger STAB attack with which to hit threats such as Tentacruel.

Now, this team would also benefit greatly from a Rapid Spinner, as it will make it much harder for stall teams to wear you down. Spikes support would also be extremely beneficial, especially with the Rotom-W + Scizor core you have. Latias fulfills almost all of the same roles that Celebi does, but Celebi is more beneficial to your team due to its higher power and access to Earth Power. Therefore, I suggest that you replace Latias with a Forretress. Forretress can not only supply Spikes and Rapid Spin support, but can provide Toxic Spikes support as well, thus allowing you to weaken stall teams even more easily. It also has access to Volt Switch, which can be utilized against opponents such as Jellicent in order to maintain momentum. It also fits perfectly with your Rotom-W + Scizor core.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 SDef
Relaxed Nature
- Volt Switch
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin

Replacing Latias does make you more weak to Rotom-W + Scizor cores, however. Thankfully though, this can be easily remedied by running Hidden Power Fire over Psychic on Celebi. Hidden Power Fire lets Celebi decimate most Steel-types, including Scizor. Psychic is mostly only useful for KO'ing Pokemon such as Dragonite after a Nasty Plot, but most Dragonite do not run Earthquake, and thus will be walled by Heatran. You can also simply just lure it into Outrage, thus allowing Lucario to finish it off.

Overall, really solid team. Hope I helped, and good luck!

Thanks Shakeitup!

Thunderbolt does seem a lot more useful, and would definetly help remedy the sub ddgyara problem. I will also test out the foretress swap. Thanks

San_Pellegrino · Dec 11, 2011

Hey,

This is a really solid team, and the biggest threat I see is Volc, a lot like kd24 was saying. However, I think I have a slightly different take on it. Scarf Gyarados is a very viable option over your current Scizor, with a moveset of Waterfall / Earthquake / Bounce / Stone Edge, you'll check Volcarona, Scrafty (dd variants), and Scizor reliably. Bounce is a risky move to be running on a Scarf Gyarados, but I think it has some potential. You check opposing Gyarados, Dragonite, and other problem mons you listed in your threat list as well. The choice of Intimidate v. Moxie is really up to you, but I would prefer Moxie since it can score easy wins against weather teams with EQ or Waterfall in the late game. To deal with Conkeldurr, using LO on Celebi can be tried to get the OHKO on Conk, since Celebi is meant to counter rain, and has Giga Drain to offset any recoil damage incurred.

Just my few thoughts, your team is really well made, not much else that are threats. I hope you guys can get even farther on the ladder with it - Good luck!

dragonuser · Dec 11, 2011

San_Pellegrino said:
Hey,

This is a really solid team, and the biggest threat I see is Volc, a lot like kd24 was saying. However, I think I have a slightly different take on it. Scarf Gyarados is a very viable option over your current Scizor, with a moveset of Waterfall / Earthquake / Bounce / Stone Edge, you'll check Volcarona, Scrafty (dd variants), and Scizor reliably. Bounce is a risky move to be running on a Scarf Gyarados, but I think it has some potential. You check opposing Gyarados, Dragonite, and other problem mons you listed in your threat list as well. The choice of Intimidate v. Moxie is really up to you, but I would prefer Moxie since it can score easy wins against weather teams with EQ or Waterfall in the late game. To deal with Conkeldurr, using LO on Celebi can be tried to get the OHKO on Conk, since Celebi is meant to counter rain, and has Giga Drain to offset any recoil damage incurred.

Just my few thoughts, your team is really well made, not much else that are threats. I hope you guys can get even farther on the ladder with it - Good luck!

Thanks san pellegrino!

Scarf gyara actually sounds like a fantastic pokemon for this team. I was testing out the scarf dnite, and found fighting types were still a bit shaky to counter, as well as volcarona. Scarf gyara would fit very nicely over scizor too. Thanks so much :]

NoJohns · Dec 11, 2011

Hi there.

I think I remember playing this team (Scarf Scizor stood out) and one thing I have to say is that SubSD + Flight Gem Gliscor absolutely wrecks your team, as it can lure and kill Rotom-W with a bit of residual damage after an SD and proceed to outspeed the rest of your team bar Latias. You said that Lucario can handle it but after and SD Acrobatics actually OHKO's, even without Flight Gem. Gliscor might usually be hard pressed to get an SD up, but you never know when Sand Veil will screw you over.

Scarf Gyarados would probably help here, with Waterfall to revenge in case things get bad. That said, great team you have and I hope to see it do better than it already has.

danilo · Dec 11, 2011

This team is excellent. I don't see to much threatening this team so I just have something that you could improve on. I feel like double dancing Terrakion is a little better than Swords Dance Lucario since Terrakion has a better STAB combo and is better in general.

Set
Terrakion@Air Ballon or Life Orb
Ability:Justified
Evs: 252 ATK/ 252 SPE/ 4 SPD
-Swords Dance
-Rock Polish
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge/Rock Slide

I like Rock Slide better if you're running Life Orb

theebay707 · Dec 12, 2011

ShakeItUp said:
Hey there.

Sub DD Gyarados is a major threat to this team, so I suggest that you run Thunderbolt over Hidden Power Grass on Rotom-W. Volt Switch's utility is too good to be replaced by Thunderbolt, but Gastrodon usage is slowly decreasing, meaning that Hidden Power Grass isn't as useful. Thunderbolt lets Rotom-W decimate Sub DD Gyarados quite easily, and also gives it a stronger STAB attack with which to hit threats such as Tentacruel.

Now, this team would also benefit greatly from a Rapid Spinner, as it will make it much harder for stall teams to wear you down. Spikes support would also be extremely beneficial, especially with the Rotom-W + Scizor core you have. Latias fulfills almost all of the same roles that Celebi does, but Celebi is more beneficial to your team due to its higher power and access to Earth Power. Therefore, I suggest that you replace Latias with a Forretress. Forretress can not only supply Spikes and Rapid Spin support, but can provide Toxic Spikes support as well, thus allowing you to weaken stall teams even more easily. It also has access to Volt Switch, which can be utilized against opponents such as Jellicent in order to maintain momentum. It also fits perfectly with your Rotom-W + Scizor core.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 SDef
Relaxed Nature
- Volt Switch
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin

Replacing Latias does make you more weak to Rotom-W + Scizor cores, however. Thankfully though, this can be easily remedied by running Hidden Power Fire over Psychic on Celebi. Hidden Power Fire lets Celebi decimate most Steel-types, including Scizor. Psychic is mostly only useful for KO'ing Pokemon such as Dragonite after a Nasty Plot, but most Dragonite do not run Earthquake, and thus will be walled by Heatran. You can also simply just lure it into Outrage, thus allowing Lucario to finish it off.

Overall, really solid team. Hope I helped, and good luck!

Hey ShakeItUp, thanks for the rate :)
But, I do realize the SubDD Gyarados weaknesss and the less usage of Gastrodon, so i do think Thunderbolt>HP Grass on Rotom-W will work.

Also, I'm not so sure about the Forretress > Latias thing cause she's the main reason we made this team. But, I'll keep that in mind when i feel like Latias is no longer of use or we get bored of her.

San_Pellegrino said:
Hey,

This is a really solid team, and the biggest threat I see is Volc, a lot like kd24 was saying. However, I think I have a slightly different take on it. Scarf Gyarados is a very viable option over your current Scizor, with a moveset of Waterfall / Earthquake / Bounce / Stone Edge, you'll check Volcarona, Scrafty (dd variants), and Scizor reliably. Bounce is a risky move to be running on a Scarf Gyarados, but I think it has some potential. You check opposing Gyarados, Dragonite, and other problem mons you listed in your threat list as well. The choice of Intimidate v. Moxie is really up to you, but I would prefer Moxie since it can score easy wins against weather teams with EQ or Waterfall in the late game. To deal with Conkeldurr, using LO on Celebi can be tried to get the OHKO on Conk, since Celebi is meant to counter rain, and has Giga Drain to offset any recoil damage incurred.

Just my few thoughts, your team is really well made, not much else that are threats. I hope you guys can get even farther on the ladder with it - Good luck!

Hey San_Pellegrino, thanks for the rate :)
I do like the idea of a Scarfed Gyarados > Scarf Scizor since it does check when Scizor can, and then some. Also, getting +1 after every kill it gets would be very helpful too. I also went through some testing with Gyarados and it does fit perfectly into this team. Thanks again San_Pellegrino :)

NoJohns said:
Hi there.

I think I remember playing this team (Scarf Scizor stood out) and one thing I have to say is that SubSD + Flight Gem Gliscor absolutely wrecks your team, as it can lure and kill Rotom-W with a bit of residual damage after an SD and proceed to outspeed the rest of your team bar Latias. You said that Lucario can handle it but after and SD Acrobatics actually OHKO's, even without Flight Gem. Gliscor might usually be hard pressed to get an SD up, but you never know when Sand Veil will screw you over.

Scarf Gyarados would probably help here, with Waterfall to revenge in case things get bad. That said, great team you have and I hope to see it do better than it already has.

Hey NoJohns, thanks for the rate :)
But yes, I do know SubSD + Flight Gem Gliscor wrecks this team. I got bored one time and battle Dragonuser's Gliscor Sand Veil team and lost not too bad, but the Gliscor was very hard to get rid of.

Sir said:
This team is excellent. I don't see to much threatening this team so I just have something that you could improve on. I feel like double dancing Terrakion is a little better than Swords Dance Lucario since Terrakion has a better STAB combo and is better in general.

Set
Terrakion@Air Ballon or Life Orb
Ability:Justified
Evs: 252 ATK/ 252 SPE/ 4 SPD
-Swords Dance
-Rock Polish
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge/Rock Slide

I like Rock Slide better if you're running Life Orb

Hey Sir, thanks for the rate :)
Double Dance Terrakion would make this team a little more Scizor weak, bar Rotom-w and Heatran. It also isn't that good of a check to Gliscor because a +2 Stone Edge would either miss, or do ~65%-77%, making it a 2HKO. Where as a +2 Rock Slide + LO only does ~63%-75%. So, I think we'll pass on the Double Dance Terrakion. Thanks anyway though :)

OVERGRO · Dec 12, 2011

Love the sprites :O
I rate them 4.86/5. Where are they from?
Have you considered Aerial Ace on Sciz, for Volc, Scarfty, Conk, etc.
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San_Pellegrino · Dec 12, 2011

theebay707 - with the change to Gyarados, what you lose against is RP and Scarf Terrakion, which are actually major threats that I didn't mention in my rate that I probably should have - just a little more context for the rate.

theebay707 · Dec 12, 2011

San_Pellegrino said:
theebay707 - with the change to Gyarados, what you lose against is RP and Scarf Terrakion, which are actually major threats that I didn't mention in my rate that I probably should have - just a little more context for the rate.

Ahh, i see. Should i replace something with for a Scizor?
But i managed to get (15:29:21) *** Your rank in Standard OU is 58/46739 [1395 points / 44 battles]! ever since the Gyarados change :)

Red Machine · Dec 14, 2011

What's up with this? I don't get any credit at all for helping in this? Lol.

Nice team guys (and me) :P

Nova · Dec 14, 2011

I would replace thunderbolt with will-o-wisp on Rotom. This is still able to check the aforementioned Gyarados threat while not being so niche

New World Order · Dec 14, 2011

Well, I don't have exams for a couple days, so I guess I can sneak in your request after all :D

Anyways, as most people have already pointed out, Offensive Volcarona is bound to cause your team some problems. The fact that you guys have opted for a Choice Scarf Scizor alleviates the Latios problems, but unfortunately opens you up to DD Salamence, who can set up against Celebi and proceed to wreak havoc. A Choice Scarf Terrakion would greatly help against those two in place of Lucario. With an Air Balloon, Lucario is incredibly weak and has difficult sweeping, especially with reduced Extremespeed power. As well, it is a very unreliable way of dealing with Landorus and Gliscor, since you never know when you'll get hit by a random U-Turn and essentially become a neutered SD Luke. While it isn't exactly the safest check, Scarf Terrakion will certainly help for dealing with DD Scrafty. With a Choice Scarf, Terrakion outspeeds even a +2 Scrafty and can OHKO with Close Combat. Earthquake can be run to screw around with Toxicroak. Bulk Up Scrafty could be problematic if you give it too many Bulk Up boosts, but if you sufficiently weaken it ahead of time, Terrak can clean up the pieces. The only problem with Terrak is that you lose priority in Extremespeed, but Air Balloon Extremespeed isn't particularly powerful anyways.

One thing I think you should consider is Hidden Power Ice on Celebi. I'm telling you, nobody ever sees that coming! Earth Power is used solely for Heatran, who can already be handled between Rotom-W and Terrakion. HP Ice allows you to pick off Dragonite, Landorus, and whatnot who think, oh! free set-up opportunity! You may also want to consider going with a Life Orb. The addition of Terrakion isn't helping your Conkeldurr problems at all, and that extra oomph from Life Orb lets you OHKO Conk at +0. Although this means Celebi will go down more quickly, you do still have Giga Drain to recover HP. In some cases, the extra damage you deal from having a Life Orb means you heal 10+% more than you would've if you had Leftovers, so the Life Orb is actually improving Celebi's survival against foes such as Rotom-W.

TLDR version:

Scarf Terrakion>Air Balloon Lucario
pros: checks many problematic Pokes such as Salamence, Volcarona, Scrafty, Toxicroak and provides back-up against Hydreigon, Dragonite, Tyranitar, Celebi etc, its basically a great crutch
cons: lose out on Extremespeed/ potential endgame sweep

HP Ice/Life Orb>Earth Power/Life Orb on Celebi
pros: surprise Pokes such as Dragonite and Salamence who come in thinking they can set-up, better to deal with Landorus/ Gliscor, OHKO against Conkeldurr
cons: walled by Heatran, slightly more vulnerable, but you do have Giga Drain for recovery

GL

Sets:

Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- X-Scissor
- Earthquake

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 72 HP / 252 SpA / 184 Spe
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Giga Drain
- Psychic
- Hidden Power Ice

Levy Tran is a Goddess

Banned deucer.

The only thing I look up to is the sky

The only thing I look up to is the sky

The only thing I look up to is the sky

The only thing I look up to is the sky

Banned deucer.

The only thing I look up to is the sky

the eternal dreamer

The only thing I look up to is the sky

Banned deucer.

the eternal dreamer

Banned deucer.

snitches get stitches

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