For the longest time, this team was undefeated (on Wi-Fi, but still). Then I took it on the PS ladder, where it quickly rose to the top 10 (I think my rating maxed out at around 1850). But then the suspect tests came, and I found myself losing to team after team. Interestingly, it's not just teams with Cress (or Durant) that give me a hard time, but I feel like the changes to the metagame that the test has led to are partially responsible for this team's fall from grace.
This team was not actually designed by me. It was originally designed by a buddy of mine on Youtube by the username of JadeHex. After telling him the problems I'd been having, I asked if he had any idea of how to fix it.
The short answer was no--Spiritomb seems like it would work really well on this team, but making a slot for it is no easy task.
So I turn to you! Help me save this team! Help me prove that full stall is still viable in this metagame!
At A Glance...
Pokemetrics:
In Depth...
Tachikoma @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Leaf Storm
- Trick
My usual lead. Few people bother running scarfers that outspeed even a modest Rotom. Usually I end up just Volt Switching out Turn 1 (into Steelix if it's safe), but Will-O is great for Steelix, and Leaf Storm will 2HKO Nidoqueen who thinks it's safe to set up rocks. Trick is one of the most crucial moves on this set and is my only hope of shutting down non-sub setup sweepers.
George III @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Slack Off
- Fire Blast
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
Part One of My Three-Part Regenerator Core.
After playing with august's HO RU team, The Running of the Bulls, I considered swapping this guy out for his Specs variant. It didn't take me long to go back. This thing walls pretty much all special attackers. Moltres DREAMS about being able to 2HKO this guy. Nidoqueen's Thunderbolt does 43-53%, meaning this monarch can take a hit and then deal massive damage back with Scald. Thunder Wave is great for predicting switches. Fire Blast is for Ferroseed (assuming FB doesn't miss, switching into Slowking immediately upon Ferroseed appearing on the field can usually limit the spiky ball to a single layer of spikes). Slack Off is the move you hope you don't have to use, since it means that it's time for hard-core stalling. But hey, this *is* a full stall team. You do what you have to.
Tuesday @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def /4 16 Spd
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Waterfall
- Poison Jab
-Aqua Jet Haze
Qwil hasn't been doing super great in this metagame. It's hard to find time to set up Spikes. Still, Intimidate is nice for forcing switches, and this thing remains my one true 100% counter to Entei. Haze (which *does* hit behind subs, correct?) would be great on this set, but it's illegal with Aqua Jet. Still, though, it might be worth it to invest some speed EVs and lose the Aqua Jet.
Haderach @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs:52 HP / 204 Atk / 252 SDef (see below)
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
-Dragon Tail Roar
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
JadeHex originally put Dragon Dance Dragonair in this slot. Yeah, that did NOT work out well. So he replaced his with Golurk, and I replaced mine with Steelix. I think mine ended up working out better. Physical (impenetrable) wall, Stealth Rocker and phazer extraordinaire. Before the surge of Sub Set-Up pokes, Dragon Tail was the superior move, as it bypasses Taunt, but these days, Roar is my only hope of stopping sweeps. Sturdy is a great ability, as it isn't too hard to keep Steelix at 100% (especially with Wishes from Audino), and even a +6 sweeper will get its ass Roared away. A while ago I had Stone Edge on this set over Gyro Ball. Between Stone Miss' shitty accuracy and the fact that most Pokemon hit by Stone Edge are also hit by STAB Gyro Ball, the change was a vast improvement.
Maeby @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Toxic
- Protect
- Wish
- Heal Bell
Part Two of My Three-Part Regenerator Core.
Back in the early days of this team, this Audino gained a reputation as a murderous bastard. You'd be surprised how often I was able to get "Audino kills" without even trying. Nothing's really simpler than Toxic/Wish/Protect. Nowadays, Audino does her job well as a utility cleric. Wish passing is crucial to my team's success, and Audino does it well. Heal Bell means I don't have to worry *too* much about who I Sleep Fodder to Smeargles and Amoongusses. Also, I can feel free to rack up tons of burned, toxiced and paralyzed pokes. I just need to take a minute at some point to get Audino in there and Heal Belling. Audino sponges most special hits (LO Magmortar's Focus Blast does a measly 82% max, and I've won a few matches simply by switching back and forth between Audino and Slowking.
Magna @ Black Sludge
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Spore
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Synthesis
Part Three of My Three-Part Regenerator Core.
The newest member of my team (before, I had Eviolite Tangela in this slot). Spore is actually far from the most critical move on this set. Amoonguss is the only member of my regenerator core who's designed to take physical hits, though the other two usually can, if they're not super effective. It's my answer to almost all fighting types (so few of whom bother to run Ice Punch). Sludge Bomb is preferred over Clear Smog for the much needed power, and since Clear Smog's hazing effects are blocked by subs. Giga Drain is usually sufficient to regain health (when combined with Regenerator), but Synthesis can complement recovery when needed. Most people will suggest running Leftovers over Black Sludge to avoid issues with Trick. Considering I have Qwilfish on this team as well, it's not really a problem, and I'm usually able to predict Tricks and go into Rotom to take the item.
Threats:
Summary
This team is not bad by any means (I'm currently #24 on the ladder with an ACRE of 1821, Glicko2 of 1890 ± 49), but I feel it can do better. Spiritomb is a hard counter for Gallade (and Cress, if it gets unbanned), and my team would really benefit from having one (barring that, more hazers, preferrably ones not weak to psychic or fighting), but there's no simple replacement I can make: without Rotom, my entire team will be extremely slow (and without a Choice item to trick onto setup threats); without Steelix, I lose Stealth Rock, phazing and the valuable steel typing; without Qwilfish, I have no spikes, and I'm stuck with only Stealth Rock for hazards (not the end of the world--my team doesn't rely overmuch on copious levels of hazards, and Kabutops is everywhere these days); and if you take out a member of my Regenerator core, you lose the key to this team's success.
So please? Won't you help save RU stall?
This team was not actually designed by me. It was originally designed by a buddy of mine on Youtube by the username of JadeHex. After telling him the problems I'd been having, I asked if he had any idea of how to fix it.
The short answer was no--Spiritomb seems like it would work really well on this team, but making a slot for it is no easy task.
So I turn to you! Help me save this team! Help me prove that full stall is still viable in this metagame!
At A Glance...
Pokemetrics:
- Bias:
-1864-2100 - Stalliness:
2.006303 (12.05 T/KO)2.140651 (13.23 T/KO) This puts it at roughly among the top 1% stalliest of teams, based on October stats.
In Depth...
Tachikoma @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Leaf Storm
- Trick
My usual lead. Few people bother running scarfers that outspeed even a modest Rotom. Usually I end up just Volt Switching out Turn 1 (into Steelix if it's safe), but Will-O is great for Steelix, and Leaf Storm will 2HKO Nidoqueen who thinks it's safe to set up rocks. Trick is one of the most crucial moves on this set and is my only hope of shutting down non-sub setup sweepers.
George III @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Slack Off
- Fire Blast
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
Part One of My Three-Part Regenerator Core.
After playing with august's HO RU team, The Running of the Bulls, I considered swapping this guy out for his Specs variant. It didn't take me long to go back. This thing walls pretty much all special attackers. Moltres DREAMS about being able to 2HKO this guy. Nidoqueen's Thunderbolt does 43-53%, meaning this monarch can take a hit and then deal massive damage back with Scald. Thunder Wave is great for predicting switches. Fire Blast is for Ferroseed (assuming FB doesn't miss, switching into Slowking immediately upon Ferroseed appearing on the field can usually limit the spiky ball to a single layer of spikes). Slack Off is the move you hope you don't have to use, since it means that it's time for hard-core stalling. But hey, this *is* a full stall team. You do what you have to.
Tuesday @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def /
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Waterfall
- Poison Jab
-
Qwil hasn't been doing super great in this metagame. It's hard to find time to set up Spikes. Still, Intimidate is nice for forcing switches, and this thing remains my one true 100% counter to Entei. Haze (which *does* hit behind subs, correct?) would be great on this set, but it's illegal with Aqua Jet. Still, though, it might be worth it to invest some speed EVs and lose the Aqua Jet.
Haderach @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs:
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
-
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
JadeHex originally put Dragon Dance Dragonair in this slot. Yeah, that did NOT work out well. So he replaced his with Golurk, and I replaced mine with Steelix. I think mine ended up working out better. Physical (impenetrable) wall, Stealth Rocker and phazer extraordinaire. Before the surge of Sub Set-Up pokes, Dragon Tail was the superior move, as it bypasses Taunt, but these days, Roar is my only hope of stopping sweeps. Sturdy is a great ability, as it isn't too hard to keep Steelix at 100% (especially with Wishes from Audino), and even a +6 sweeper will get its ass Roared away. A while ago I had Stone Edge on this set over Gyro Ball. Between Stone Miss' shitty accuracy and the fact that most Pokemon hit by Stone Edge are also hit by STAB Gyro Ball, the change was a vast improvement.
Maeby @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Toxic
- Protect
- Wish
- Heal Bell
Part Two of My Three-Part Regenerator Core.
Back in the early days of this team, this Audino gained a reputation as a murderous bastard. You'd be surprised how often I was able to get "Audino kills" without even trying. Nothing's really simpler than Toxic/Wish/Protect. Nowadays, Audino does her job well as a utility cleric. Wish passing is crucial to my team's success, and Audino does it well. Heal Bell means I don't have to worry *too* much about who I Sleep Fodder to Smeargles and Amoongusses. Also, I can feel free to rack up tons of burned, toxiced and paralyzed pokes. I just need to take a minute at some point to get Audino in there and Heal Belling. Audino sponges most special hits (LO Magmortar's Focus Blast does a measly 82% max, and I've won a few matches simply by switching back and forth between Audino and Slowking.
Magna @ Black Sludge
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Spore
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Synthesis
Part Three of My Three-Part Regenerator Core.
The newest member of my team (before, I had Eviolite Tangela in this slot). Spore is actually far from the most critical move on this set. Amoonguss is the only member of my regenerator core who's designed to take physical hits, though the other two usually can, if they're not super effective. It's my answer to almost all fighting types (so few of whom bother to run Ice Punch). Sludge Bomb is preferred over Clear Smog for the much needed power, and since Clear Smog's hazing effects are blocked by subs. Giga Drain is usually sufficient to regain health (when combined with Regenerator), but Synthesis can complement recovery when needed. Most people will suggest running Leftovers over Black Sludge to avoid issues with Trick. Considering I have Qwilfish on this team as well, it's not really a problem, and I'm usually able to predict Tricks and go into Rotom to take the item.
Threats:
- Cresselia.
Not much I can do except Toxic stall, and if it gets behind a sub, I can't even do that, aside get Steelix in quickly and Roar it before it has a chance to get off too many Calm Minds.Toxic Stalling works fine on non-sub sets. Sub-CM sets are walled by Slowking: +6 Psyshock does 48% max, if I did my calc correctly, which means it comes down to a PP stall. Steelix can also roar it out if it's at full health or if Cress hasn't gotten off too many CMs. The best bet with Cress is to trick is Rotom-C's scarf, but that requires some excellent prediction. - Durant. If anyone ever bothered to run Superpower, which they don't. Until people get wise, Steelix is a hard counter.
- Sub-Bulk Up Gallade. My number one problem right now. The sad thing is that it needs to get to +5 or +6 to menace Slowking (if it doesn't have Shadow Sneak) or Amoonguss (if it doesn't have Psycho Cut), so if only I had a way of hazing it or forcing it out (besides Steelix who does NOT enjoy getting Drain Punched), I'd be fine.
- Cosmic Power Sigilyph. Not a problem at all. Steelix and Slowking wall it completely, aside from the burn damage from Psycho Shift (note that Psycho Shift Cosmic Power Sigilyph cannot even 4HKO Slowking with Stored Power and will run out of PP and struggle to death long before Slowking runs out of Slack Offs--you DON'T want to know how I know this). I include this here to counter people who say that anyone who has a problem with Cress will also have a problem with Cosmic Power Sigilyph.
- Calm Mind Clefable. I got massacred by one of these, no joke. Score was 4-1: the only pokes I'd lost were Rotom-C and Qwilfish. This Clefable had managed to come out before, but I'd easily roared it away with Steelix, who completely walled the set. Finally Clefable's the last Pokemon out... and I can't prevent it from CMing to +6. Once at +6, it managed to 2HKO Steelix with Stored Power. Slowking successfully walled it, in that Stored Power / Hyper Voice did JUST ABOUT 50%, so I *could* have stalled it out with Slack Offs, but the damn thing crits me. The rest of my team was easy pickings.
- Lilligant. The trick is choosing the right sleep fodder. Amoonguss can't hope to do any considerable amount of damage to it after a few Quiver Dances, but it *can* spore it to sleep. That's the best I've got, and I've either got to phaze with Steelix or hope it stays asleep long enough for Qwil to get off a Poison Jab (or two, depending on LO vs. Leftovers and the amount of entry hazards).
- Entry Hazards: All four layers of hazards (Toxic Spikes are no problem with two poison types on the team) are needed to nullify the health regained from Regenerator, but with no spinner, it does occasionally happen.
- Hax. As silly as it is to put down "hax" as a threat, crits, misses and parahax cost me more matches than it should. In the early days, hax would rarely be a big deal, as things would usually balance out / not matter, considering the crazy long nature of battles. But now, I lose more often because Slowking's Fire Blast misses on a predicted Rotom-C switch-in than I do to letting Cress set up. I feel that the hyper-offensive nature of the current metagame is to blame, and I suspect there's not much anyone can do about it.
Summary
This team is not bad by any means (I'm currently #24 on the ladder with an ACRE of 1821, Glicko2 of 1890 ± 49), but I feel it can do better. Spiritomb is a hard counter for Gallade (and Cress, if it gets unbanned), and my team would really benefit from having one (barring that, more hazers, preferrably ones not weak to psychic or fighting), but there's no simple replacement I can make: without Rotom, my entire team will be extremely slow (and without a Choice item to trick onto setup threats); without Steelix, I lose Stealth Rock, phazing and the valuable steel typing; without Qwilfish, I have no spikes, and I'm stuck with only Stealth Rock for hazards (not the end of the world--my team doesn't rely overmuch on copious levels of hazards, and Kabutops is everywhere these days); and if you take out a member of my Regenerator core, you lose the key to this team's success.
So please? Won't you help save RU stall?
Tachikoma (Rotom-Mow) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Leaf Storm
- Trick
George III (Slowking) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Slack Off
- Fire Blast
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
Tuesday (Qwilfish) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Waterfall
- Poison Jab
- Aqua Jet
Haderach (Steelix) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 52 HP / 204 Atk / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Roar
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
Maeby (Audino) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Protect
- Wish
- Heal Bell
Magna (Amoonguss) (F) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spore
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Synthesis
Trait: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Leaf Storm
- Trick
George III (Slowking) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Slack Off
- Fire Blast
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
Tuesday (Qwilfish) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Waterfall
- Poison Jab
- Aqua Jet
Haderach (Steelix) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 52 HP / 204 Atk / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Roar
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
Maeby (Audino) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Protect
- Wish
- Heal Bell
Magna (Amoonguss) (F) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spore
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Synthesis
Tachikoma (Rotom-Mow) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Leaf Storm
- Trick
George III (Slowking) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Slack Off
- Fire Blast
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
Tuesday (Qwilfish) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Waterfall
- Poison Jab
- Haze
Haderach (Steelix) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 176 HP / 80 Atk / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Roar
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
Maeby (Audino) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Protect
- Wish
- Heal Bell
Magna (Amoonguss) (F) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spore
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Synthesis
Trait: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Leaf Storm
- Trick
George III (Slowking) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Slack Off
- Fire Blast
- Scald
- Thunder Wave
Tuesday (Qwilfish) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Waterfall
- Poison Jab
- Haze
Haderach (Steelix) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 176 HP / 80 Atk / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Roar
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
Maeby (Audino) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Protect
- Wish
- Heal Bell
Magna (Amoonguss) (F) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spore
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Synthesis