The Characteristics Thread

ADH · Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:04:00 PM

All this is courtesy of my friend Denin and his Nintendo Power guide for Pokemon D/P.

It seems that in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl there's a thing called a Characteristic. This characteristic is independant of natures and governs how fast a stat grows in the game. Perhaps this is the game telling us what IV is the Pokemon's highest, but this is not certain currently. It could even be a second nature-like thing, but there's NO drawback to characteristics.

Here's a listing of all of the stats and what the game will say provided the stat will grow quickly.

Stats Quickly Rise

HP...
:Loves to eat
:Often dozes off
:Often naps
:Scatters things often
:Likes to relax

Attack...
:P:Proud of its power
:Likes to thrash about
:A little quick-tempered
:Likes to fight
:Hot tempered

Defense...
:Sturdy body
:Capable of taking hits
:Highly persistent
:Good endurance
:Good perseverence

Special Attack...
:Highly curious
:Mischeavious
:Thoroughly cunning
:Often lost in thought
:Very finicky

Special Defense...
:Strong willed
:Somewhat vain
:Strongly defiant
:Hates to lose
:Somewhat stubborn

Speed...
:Likes to run
:Alert to sounds
:Impetuous and silly
:Somewhat of a clown
:Quick to flee

Discuss, and any new information would be greatly appreciated.

Footnote · Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:11:05 PM

Could this have something to do with how fast the Pokémon accumulates EVs?

Akayfortyseven · Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:27:20 PM

I reckon its an IV thing, Ie, the brackets the stats IV could be in (1-10, 11-20 etc)

pooch · Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:29:12 PM

If its an IV thing then its most welcome, because I for one can never be arsed with all this IV calculation malarkey.

Hippo · Apr 22nd, 2007, 1:27:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat pooch

If its an IV thing then its most welcome, because I for one can never be arsed with all this IV calculation malarkey.

Yeah, its kinda rough, but i love that emerald guy who tells you if you have a 31 =P
I use him a ton...

Kinda cool that they added something new, hopefully it'll be figured out soon... (or before i get a DS and D/P)

RougeSoul · Apr 22nd, 2007, 6:16:23 PM

Yeah but if it were an IV thing then why would there be multiple ones for one stat

Shupo · Apr 22nd, 2007, 6:45:07 PM

It's definetly IV. My Max IV Turtwig "Loves to eat".

FarmerWithShotgun · Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:13:12 PM

so my jolly quick tempered chimchar that i got on the first shot is good to go then if it's IV. I certainly hope it's IVs :)

RougeSoul · Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:20:29 PM

ADH was that list in any specific order because it's odd that Tochukaso has a max HP and the Characteristic at the top of the list for HP is the same one as his Turtwig.

ADH · Apr 23rd, 2007, 8:59:21 AM

Unless each characteristic within a stat has an IV range I don't think there's anything going on about the different names. It does seem to be IVs, I got a Jolly Cranidos first try that had an excellent speed IV and it said that it likes to run.

Thanks to Aeolus for formatting the posting.

X-Act · Apr 23rd, 2007, 9:20:49 AM

This is interesting. Thanks for the information!

Terkhen · Apr 23rd, 2007, 11:08:23 AM

I asked a friend who knows japanese and he told me that it depends on the module. IV mod 5 can give 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4. Depending on what you obtain, you'll get a different phrase. We don't know more, but here's the link to the japanese info:

http://www18.atwiki.jp/pokemondp/pages/23.html

Lupo Aro · Apr 23rd, 2007, 3:48:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat RougeSoul

ADH was that list in any specific order because it's odd that Tochukaso has a max HP and the Characteristic at the top of the list for HP is the same one as his Turtwig.

Possibly not, my 31 Speed IV Salamence is "Alert to sounds."

The annoying thing is that you only get one characteristic (IV), whereas the IV guy gave multiple IVs.

Hippo · Apr 23rd, 2007, 3:58:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Terkhen

I asked a friend who knows japanese and he told me that it depends on the module. IV mod 5 can give 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4. Depending on what you obtain, you'll get a different phrase. We don't know more, but here's the link to the japanese info:

http://www18.atwiki.jp/pokemondp/pages/23.html

Oh gosh, modulus.

So its just some random (well not random) thing then?
It takes the IV mod 5 then gives you the characteristic based on the mod?

Kinda wierd... Is it the Highest IV then? Or a random IV to take the mod of?

(For those that don't know, modulus is like the IV divided by 5, then the remainder. 30 mod 5 =- (three bar equal sign goes there...) 0, so when you have an IV of 30 (or anything evenly divisible by 5) it gives you the one for 0.

Surgo · Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:01:04 PM

It's DV mod 5, seeing as how there are five possibilities for each DV. Not mod 6.

By all the evidence given so far, it's become pretty clear that it's entirely based off of the highest DV.

Hippo · Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:11:28 PM

Whoops, i read 5 as one of the possibilties making it mod 5. I'll change that then.

Glad its nothing something else I'd have to bread for... ugh.

I can't wait for the D/P breeding info though

Konako · Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:20:06 PM

Great, my Relaxed Twiggy ( Grotle ) hates to lose. Meh, I guess SDef is better than SAtk or Spd.... Although I would have preferred it be HP / Atk / Def. :x

Surgo · Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:23:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat X-Act

Well, that would mean that if the IV is 0, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, or 30, then it gets message #1, if it is 1, 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, or 31, it gets message #2, etc, for suitably ordered messages. This doesn't seem intuitively correct, or, if anything, it doesn't really help people with how high is the IV.

Could it be just integer division instead of mod? If you do 1+floor(IV/7) for the message number, for instance, it would give message #1 if the IV is between 0 and 6, message #2 if the IV is between 7 and 13, message #3 if the IV is between 14 and 20, message #4 if the IV is between 21 and 27, and message #5 if the IV is between 28 and 31.

I considered that, but that actually seems less intuitive than modulus to me. You will rarely (never) see the lower messages if it's simple integer division because the class of messages displayed seems to be based on your highest DV; the likelihood of getting one of the lower messages then is very rare.

You can use it to help figure out the highest DV if you have a general idea of what your other DVs are, but even then you're using a calculator and you might as well just go the whole way.

RougeSoul · Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:26:05 PM

Then my faith in that this is an IV thing is restored seeing as how My Grotle has a Sturdy Body and a perfect defense IV

X-Act · Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:27:44 PM

Yeah, I actually deleted that post, since in hindsight it didn't make sense at all.

So it seems like it takes the highest IV stat mod 5 to determine which message is chosen for that Pokemon.

***Jibaku**** · Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:50:42 PM

Yeah, but if you have all 31 IVs then it would be random
(apparently some people gave me some of these).

"chikara ga Jiman"

Obsidian · Apr 23rd, 2007, 5:22:05 PM

At first I thought the "characteristic" description on the individual pokemon's summary page was an elaboration of the nature (Adamant, Modest, Jolly, etc.), but it seems it is indeed IV related.

I look forward to further clarification/confirmation...

Hyra · Apr 23rd, 2007, 5:23:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat X-Act

Yeah, I actually deleted that post, since in hindsight it didn't make sense at all.

So it seems like it takes the highest IV stat mod 5 to determine which message is chosen for that Pokemon.

So it would show a 29 IV over a 31 IV? Of course, this is the first thread I have seen discussing modules outside of Hidden Power calcs, which I get helplessly lost in.

Hippo · Apr 23rd, 2007, 5:27:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Hyra

So it would show a 29 IV over a 31 IV? Of course, this is the first thread I have seen discussing modules outside of Hidden Power calcs, which I get helplessly lost in.

No, it would take the 31 IV because its higher, then take the mod.

Akayfortyseven · Apr 23rd, 2007, 5:27:44 PM

Well my Forretress and Milotic have flawless defence, the description for both is Capable of taking hits, which is releated to defence.

Apr 23rd, 2007, 8:59:21 AM	#10
ADH Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 343 Manassas, VA	Unless each characteristic within a stat has an IV range I don't think there's anything going on about the different names. It does seem to be IVs, I got a Jolly Cranidos first try that had an excellent speed IV and it said that it likes to run. Thanks to Aeolus for formatting the posting. __________________ Sure, I suck, but I have fun while I'm at it.

Apr 23rd, 2007, 9:20:49 AM	#11
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta	This is interesting. Thanks for the information! __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:01:04 PM	#15
Surgo goes to eleven Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,570 Sitting on the edge of time	It's DV mod 5, seeing as how there are five possibilities for each DV. Not mod 6. By all the evidence given so far, it's become pretty clear that it's entirely based off of the highest DV. __________________ This signature had to be removed :-(

Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:27:44 PM	#20
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta	Yeah, I actually deleted that post, since in hindsight it didn't make sense at all. So it seems like it takes the highest IV stat mod 5 to determine which message is chosen for that Pokemon. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:50:42 PM	#21
*Jibaku [02:06] <DixieNormous> Rodan x pookar: Just Do It Super Moderator** Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,909 Foursquare, a sprained ankle, bottlecap ninjas, and wallball	Yeah, but if you have all 31 IVs then it would be random (apparently some people gave me some of these). "chikara ga Jiman" __________________

Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:04:00 PM	#1
ADH Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 343 Manassas, VA	The Characteristics Thread All this is courtesy of my friend Denin and his Nintendo Power guide for Pokemon D/P. It seems that in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl there's a thing called a Characteristic. This characteristic is independant of natures and governs how fast a stat grows in the game. Perhaps this is the game telling us what IV is the Pokemon's highest, but this is not certain currently. It could even be a second nature-like thing, but there's NO drawback to characteristics. Here's a listing of all of the stats and what the game will say provided the stat will grow quickly. Stats Quickly Rise HP... :Loves to eat :Often dozes off :Often naps :Scatters things often :Likes to relax Attack... :P:Proud of its power :Likes to thrash about :A little quick-tempered :Likes to fight :Hot tempered Defense... :Sturdy body :Capable of taking hits :Highly persistent :Good endurance :Good perseverence Special Attack... :Highly curious :Mischeavious :Thoroughly cunning :Often lost in thought :Very finicky Special Defense... :Strong willed :Somewhat vain :Strongly defiant :Hates to lose :Somewhat stubborn Speed... :Likes to run :Alert to sounds :Impetuous and silly :Somewhat of a clown :Quick to flee Discuss, and any new information would be greatly appreciated. __________________ Sure, I suck, but I have fun while I'm at it. Last edited by Aeolus; Apr 22nd, 2007 at 4:44:42 PM.

Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:11:05 PM	#2
Footnote Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 554	Could this have something to do with how fast the Pokémon accumulates EVs? __________________ No legendaries, 600-BST Pokémon, or Hidden Power. Item Clause. Single and Double Battle challenges welcome.

Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:27:20 PM	#3
Akayfortyseven Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,146 United Kingdom	I reckon its an IV thing, Ie, the brackets the stats IV could be in (1-10, 11-20 etc)

Apr 22nd, 2007, 12:29:12 PM	#4
pooch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 342	If its an IV thing then its most welcome, because I for one can never be arsed with all this IV calculation malarkey. __________________ I am a dog with access to the internet.

Apr 22nd, 2007, 6:16:23 PM	#6
RougeSoul Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 228	Yeah but if it were an IV thing then why would there be multiple ones for one stat

Apr 22nd, 2007, 6:45:07 PM	#7
Shupo Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 442	It's definetly IV. My Max IV Turtwig "Loves to eat".

Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:13:12 PM	#8
FarmerWithShotgun Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 162	so my jolly quick tempered chimchar that i got on the first shot is good to go then if it's IV. I certainly hope it's IVs :)

Apr 22nd, 2007, 7:20:29 PM	#9
RougeSoul Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 228	ADH was that list in any specific order because it's odd that Tochukaso has a max HP and the Characteristic at the top of the list for HP is the same one as his Turtwig.

Apr 23rd, 2007, 11:08:23 AM	#12
Terkhen Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 31 Spain	I asked a friend who knows japanese and he told me that it depends on the module. IV mod 5 can give 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4. Depending on what you obtain, you'll get a different phrase. We don't know more, but here's the link to the japanese info: http://www18.atwiki.jp/pokemondp/pages/23.html

Apr 23rd, 2007, 4:26:05 PM	#19
RougeSoul Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 228	Then my faith in that this is an IV thing is restored seeing as how My Grotle has a Sturdy Body and a perfect defense IV

Apr 23rd, 2007, 5:22:05 PM	#22
Obsidian Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 231 Omnipresent	Interesting At first I thought the "characteristic" description on the individual pokemon's summary page was an elaboration of the nature (Adamant, Modest, Jolly, etc.), but it seems it is indeed IV related. I look forward to further clarification/confirmation... __________________ Click here to see my prospective B&W team Proud OT of a 30/30/31/15/30/31 Adamant Bagon with DD. (>'.')> I am the personification of exhilaration. <('.'<) FC is 0258 6771 6125

Apr 23rd, 2007, 5:27:44 PM	#25
Akayfortyseven Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,146 United Kingdom	Well my Forretress and Milotic have flawless defence, the description for both is Capable of taking hits, which is releated to defence.